German WW2 Collection Pics

[M1 Tanker]

This isn't everything, but its the bulk of my stuff. After I posted the re-enactment pictures I thought ya'll might want to see it all.

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[nevada]

I'll bet the neighbors are glad the garage door is closed. Nice collection.

[kevin]

have you ever worn any of that when you go to the grocery store or somewhere?

[M1 Tanker]

I wear it at re-enactments all the time. And yes, we've gone out to the bar or german restaurant at an evet when there is 30 or 40 of us. When we have events on post I'll where it in the shopette. :)

[Longhorn789]

Holy frijoles Tank that is a kickin collection!!!!!!!!

[M1 Tanker]

Thanks Longhorn...I've got about 10 years in it.

[IMBLITZVT]

Man, I did not see it was you... I was expecting some pussy little collection of K98s and P38s with maybe a luger. You got a very nice collection going there! Is that MP40 a blank gun? You got a real nice collection going there! Just need a MG34!

[M1 Tanker]

Imblitz, its a full auto blank MP-40. Hey, I know I need a 34, but I had to get a 43 instead. Besides, if I get a 34 I'm going to need yet another tripod.

[XO3319]

Sweet

I am not worthy

I posted mine in the WWII History thread

[kevin]

do people look at you funny when you go somewhere in that? or do they even have any idea what those uniforms represent? In my observations most people my age and even up to 40s dont even know when ww1 or ww2 was and who was on what side.

[turbothis]

very cool collection. there was not a second spent in high school on the world wars.
see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.

[XO3319]

And everyone needs a mortar!:musik29:

[wandering_ronin]

There was a bar in Kaposvar, Hungary, that had a Soviet mortar as a door stop! The DJ booth was behind an anti-tank gun, and there were deactivated weapons all over the place. It was just the kind of place I would want to open if I went into the bar business!

[okie shooter]

Nice collection, You dont take the reinactments lightly.


very cool collection. there was not a second spent in high school on the world wars.
see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.

Take a good course in college on the second world war, they better start though way back at the formation of the prussian/german state to understand the war. You might not like the what you learn because you just wont learn about the usa roll in the war, you have to understand why nato was formed and the eastern bloc, when you realize how many soviet civilians and solders died in this war.

[Longhorn789]

Take a good course in college on the second world war, they better start though way back at the formation of the prussian/german state to understand the war. You might not like the what you learn because you just wont learn about the usa roll in the war, you have to understand why nato was formed and the eastern bloc, when you realize how many soviet civilians and solders died in this war.

Amen brother..

Ruskies lost more people at Stalingrad alone than we did in the whole war by far if memory serves.

[XO3319]

Stalin killed far more of his own people than Hitler did, but comparison in those numbers is meaningless

Both were butchers, Stalin just got away with it

[wonderwolf]

When I helped dad do civil war presentations at schools we would go around in the uniforms. If we went to a artiallry shoot somwhere out of state we would usually do a food run with the cloths on cause its just to much hassle to get out of "full wool" get alot of looks and its fun. I didnt do any battles or anything just classroom work with my dad. I have a friend that is really into the civil war reinacting though.

So whats the laws on FA blank guns?

[okie shooter]

I know stalin was not a nice guy, but everyone remembers the "good war" (actually a good book to read by Studs Turkel, I love the fact that a resturant in Salina Kansas would serve german POW's but wouldnt serve Black US army solders)but in the greater scheme of things we lost I think some where in the neighborhood of half a million, the germans lost I think seven million battle casualties(not includeing civilian deaths) and the Soviets more than twice that, not includeing stalins purges.

We bought and paid for that war( I read at one time for the war, we had pumped out half of the known proven reserves of oil in this country to fight the war), the us did come out smelling good, a huge industrial base, and the best technology bar none and the lead in the world for thirty years in many areas.

[M1 Tanker]

Kevin, would say something to 40 guys in a german uniform :) I've never had a problem in the 9 years I've been doing this...you usually just get questions is all.

Wonderwolf, www.ssroom.com is the only person in the US to get ATF approval for a blank firing machine gun.

[SteelCore]

Hey, why stop there? Get your Masters in Mil History here:

http://www.graduate.norwich.edu/militaryhistory/

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Dang, that's some piles o' gear! Serious.

[XO3319]

I got my 1st Masters In History at LSU--- and only visited the campus 3 times

Extension course through JRTC at FOrt Polk, LA:chef:

[IMBLITZVT]

Yeah you need a MG34 and the Tripod!!! I will not even say FG42 or MP44... :)

Are you going to do a MG34... I thought you were going to do that rather then the Maxims.


Why go to college for History... College just makes you stupid... just read books and make sure they do not all agree! Read pro nazi, pro soviet, pro American... College is just a way of bring "pop" history to the so called educated.

I do not know about you but I am NOT proud to hear of the stories of mass human waves of Soviet troops with US made equipment, over-running and killing brave German soldiers that stood their ground and fought so millions of civilians could flee the Steel curtain! I myself would rather America not had a part in the Soviet/German Battle.

[XO3319]

HItler was cunning and expansive and brutal...he was the short term threat that had to be eliminated immediately

The Soviets were expansive and cunning but could be defeated in the long run once the immediate threat was over. Don't make the Germans out to be saints in all this. Hindsight is 20/20. And Uncle Joe did his fair share in making Nazism and facism go away despite his murderous habits.

And my German collection so far

Repro belt with LF buckle, repro mazine holders, post war luftwaffe breadbag, original shovel in repro brown carrier, original cleaning kit atop it, repro gravit knife, original bakelite handled K98 bayonet in repro black frog, original canteen (CF over Crown), Repro Stielhelm M38, repro hand grenade, original gas mask can (FJs didn't carry them but I like it anyway), repro SPlinter B bandolier (120rds of Yugo on strigger clips for my next range trip in them)

thats about it for now :)

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[okie shooter]

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Why go to college for History... College just makes you stupid... just read books and make sure they do not all agree! Read pro nazi, pro soviet, pro American... College is just a way of bring "pop" history to the so called educated.

I do not know about you but I am NOT proud to hear of the stories of mass human waves of Soviet troops with US made equipment, over-running and killing brave German soldiers that stood their ground and fought so millions of civilians could flee the Steel curtain! I myself would rather America not had a part in the Soviet/German Battle.

Just one small problem with your theory, remember the Third Reich declared war on the US, not the other way around. Lest you forget two years before they made it a Soviet-German war the Germans opened the can of woop ass that they got back. If some one invaded this country and was attacking along a front north and south of St. Louis, and the way to save it would be mass wave attacks, most of us would remember the dead fondly, and still want to sing the "Star Spangled Banner", rather than "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles"(not really the name but, Das Deutschlandlied). No matter how you paint it, I will not side with the Germans over the Soviets if its any day before May 8th 1945.

You act as if the Germans got run over for no reason, Remember that if you do or dont like the Soviets, the Germans were the agressors in this conflict, heck invading the soviet union for over a thousand miles might be a good reason to want to kick some butt in return. Bombing cities and burning the countryside to illistrate points. As Patton said, you job is to make the other sob to die for his country is the truth. War is not a noble thing, people die, en mass these days. The brave Soviet solder wether propped up on propaganda and vodka still proudly died for his nation, which survived.

In some ways the German People are lucky that the Third Reich attacked the Soviets, as the end of the war might have been far sader for them with two atomic weapons droped on places like Berlin and Munich rather than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US would have been in the war no matter what, and the orginal plan for Nuclear weapons was to base them in Great Britan and use them against Germany, the whole time the allies felt that they were the greater mennance to the world.

Why go to college for history, you get viewpoints that you never thought of, ideas and such. Why was there such outcries in some folks when the Japanese version of Iwo Jima got a Oscar. Those "Dirty Japs" still were humans and loved their country and fought to the death for it too, as the Soviets, loved Russia, the French loved France(lack of national will or good military command still dont say those guys didnt love and die for their nation), and so on and so on.

Where I work I make both the tools of war and take them apart and beat them into plowshares when they are not used. Gives you a unique prespective on some of these subjects. Patton was some what of a blowhard and a romantic. People die in war, its not pretty and glorious and proud, they are still dead. My father will not talk much about his war, I imagine he was not proud of it(the war and outcome not his service, he is always proud of serving), some ways he has become a anti war person, but any one here tell me he is not a proud american go do the things he was asked to do in his time, see the death of his men in the conflict, live with the disablities that snuck up on him due to his service.

One of the things I learned in college was that there were more than just yellow stars of david on clothing in the concentration camps, look them up, purple, pink, green, black, green and blue. The Germans of this era were equal oppertunity enslavers, and far worse.

Ok off the soap box now

P.S. I am not decended from Russians, or any of the Soviet states, father lived thru WWII and was treated badly because he was 3/4 german(even the Italian kids quit playing with them after the Italians switched sides) even though my grandfather was serving in the BCI theater, My mother lived thru the war and bombings in Japan and a post war that makes the US depression look good. Thus my lintage goes down both sides of this war the additional 1/8 is scottish. These kind of things in my past, being spit upon due to the anti Japanese feelings in this country even into the sixties and seventies is why you study history, in college.

[XO3319]

Well said Okie

Well said, well stated:hammered:

[Rampager]

Wow...you guys have some really nice collections!...I'm still drooling!

BTW, I always try to put the politics aside from my collecting. As I've said before...I like Commie guns and history, but I hate Commies...I like Nazi guns and history, but hate Nazi's, I like Jap WWII suff, but hate what the Imperial Japs did to our guys, etc. But I think we all in some form or another always aspire to bravery in battle on any side, no matter what cause it was for. I think that's what military history is all about IMHO.

Trying to figure out in some cases the lesser of two evils is like trying to figure out what poison to take....it's all bad, but as an amature historian, what I wouldn't give to be there and watch those epic battles unfold. Which by the way is why I like this re-enactment stuff, cause it's the closest thing I'd ever get to being there.

[okie shooter]

I got my 1st Masters In History at LSU--- and only visited the campus 3 times

Extension course through JRTC at FOrt Polk, LA:chef:

There are many days I wish I had gotten a degree in history over engineering, I might be poor, but I loved studying history, they only let us engineers get 12 hrs of credit in humanties towards our degrees.

[XO3319]

+1 on that Rampager

I love the history as well but it is best to set that apart from the weapons and usually the individual soldier

[Norton]

[QUOTE=XO3319;10973]HItler was cunning and expansive and brutal...he was the short term threat that had to be eliminated immediately

. Hindsight is 20/20. And Uncle Joe did his fair share in making Nazism and facism go away despite his murderous habits.

First XO I like your collection and love WW 2 items from any Army.

But on Uncle Joe.. He also did his fair share to make the Nazis what they were from 1938 to the spring of 1941 also. German tanks ran on Soviet petrol, german bombs and shells were made from Russian gun cotton, 8 mm bullets were made with Russian nickle. German Jack boot were made of Russian leather. German tanks trained in Russia in the 30s and even did river crossing with Soviet tankers giving instructions on how to do it right. German brass witnessed mass paratroop drops by Russian airborne troops in the 1930s and took notes as well as photos. Stalin and Hilter both invaded Poland together and their NKVD and Gestopo worked together arresting Jews, Communist, others not wanted by either side. Stalin returned German Communist who had fled to the Soviet union after Hitler took power. French Communist living in Russia made propaganda brodcast to French troops on German radio stations, asking them to lay down their arms. Red domitated unions went on strike in French Tank factories as German tanks were mowing down their own countrymen ( on Stalins orders). The Reds here opposed US aid to Britain when she was fighting for her life after Dunkirk.. Saying the war was a 'Capitalist war' and opposed the US Defence build up. Even after the bloody border war with Japan in 1938 Stalin approched the Japs in late 1940 about dividing China in two zones like he and Hitler had done with Poland.(Japan did not need Soviet help) Stalin was far worse than Hitler in many ways.. Stalin had mass killing of his own Communist party for no reason.. as mass killings of his officer corp from all branches for nothing.. Stalin had mass killings of his own NKVD for no reason.. Did Hitler kill large groups of his own Nazis, his own Army, Navy, Air Force, Gestopo? I think Stalin was the worst dictator of that time even Mao was slightly better. He makes Saddam look like a Sunday school teacher and a nice guy.

[MID]

You need a potato masher. Any chance on getting a real live deactivated one instead of a repro?

[M1 Tanker]

I've got a grenade in the picture :)

Your best bet to get any real ordnance would be www.ostfront.com . They go rob graves...ahh...I mean find battlefield relics in eastern europe. They always have some cool stuff, but it comes in waves.

[Big Steve]

Cool stuff Bud! Where's your MG15? Or does it not get in cause it isn't completed yet? You need to put the pressure on Orin to get up with me so we can get them done!
Steve

[M1 Tanker]

I ran out of room steve, I didn't include ammo boxes, crates, water cans, field phones, etc.....nor the MG15. I hijacked his FS thread the other day on another forum saying just that :)

[okie shooter]

I ran out of room steve, I didn't include ammo boxes, crates, water cans, field phones, etc.....nor the MG15. I hijacked his FS thread the other day on another forum saying just that :)

Did the germans have a pelthoria of field rations like the US did? Just wondering, I know the reinactors on the US army side can buy reproduction C-ration boxes, wonder do the axis powers have the equal in rations.

[IMBLITZVT]

Boy that got you guys up on the soap box!

Maybe you missed the whole message. I do not support either side, Nazi or Soviet. BUT American helped the USSR and I do not support that. You do not support one Tyrant defeat another. Esp. when in doing so you leave half of Europe to the Commies. America became a great country in the years between the Revolutionary war and WWI. In that time we went from a Colony to one of the major world powers. We did this by staying out of wars where America had nothing to win.

Oh and we can thank our President for Hitler declaring war on us... since he did everything in his power to do so...

I do not know about you but I found most college professors knew more then they could understand about history but did not understand politics. They might be able to name every date in history but can not explain the real causes of WWII. They tow the line on PC history and do not understand History. They think History is Facts, when History is an Art. Its an Art because History is written by the victors and sometimes the history is so far from the truth that you must read the actions to determine the reasons, not the BS they say. Need an example?

Our going into Iraq the first and second time. We did not care if Iraq took Kuwait and we did not care about WMDs. Thats the BS reasons that took us into the war but they are far from the real reasons. The Zimmerman Telegram in WWI... an easy to tell fake... unless you want to believe it. The Texas national guard could have defeated the Mexican army! I am sure Germany is going to make a deal with them... If you need proof that History can prove, use Bismarck uniting German!

Bottom line is this. Teachers consider themselves intellectuals for the most part. So what is an intellectuals? Its someone educated above their intelligence level!

Anyway, I do not want to take anymore of Tanker's Glory with such a Beautiful German WWII collection, so I will make this my last post on this OT stuff.

[IMBLITZVT]

Getting back on topic,

I want to try and get a collection of Standard German Weapons from both wars. I mean standard military issue. No captured stuff, pretty much standard issue items. Here is what I was looking on going after:

German WWI;
Luger
Mauser 98
MG08/15
MG08

German WWII:
P38
MP40
Mauser K98
G41
G43
MP44
FG42 (either version)
MG34
MG42

So as many from this list as possible. I am going to stay away from the odd balls for the most part.. except my LMG08/15 :) I was thinking of taking the G41 off... But I will probably never spend the money on it anyway. I am sure I will never get them all. But thats the goal list. I mean the FG42 is just not likely to every happen...but I can't take it off the list.

[M1 Tanker]

Did the germans have a pelthoria of field rations like the US did? Just wondering, I know the reinactors on the US army side can buy reproduction C-ration boxes, wonder do the axis powers have the equal in rations.

No Okie, the Germans mostly ate hot chow. They field kitchen could cook and be on the move at the same time. They also had a moblile baking unit for bread.

German soldiers were issued an iron ration (Zwiebeck, sausage, cheese, etc) but could only eat it if ordered to.

[weasel_master]

What's the story for youth knives? My great uncle has one he picked up when he was fighting in Europe. Were they standard issue or what? The scabbard for it is pretty beat up but the knife is in decent shape.

[XO3319]

No more hijacking Tankers collection thread with SUperman could've beat Spiderman any day history ponderings!

Start your own thread for that:2pistol: :off_topic: :terrorist:

[M1 Tanker]

What's the story for youth knives? My great uncle has one he picked up when he was fighting in Europe. Were they standard issue or what? The scabbard for it is pretty beat up but the knife is in decent shape.


They were issued to the Hitler Youth :)

[IMBLITZVT]

Yeah it was kind of like a boy scout knife. As a matter of fact the design was used post war for several boy scout type groups.

Its a good looking knife. I have always liked them along with the Police daggers with the detailed eagles head on them. I am not talking about the bayonets... the dagger. I tend not to like most of the other German WWII knives.

[SteelCore]

"I got my 1st Masters In History at LSU--- and only visited the campus 3 times
Extension course through JRTC at FOrt Polk, LA"

Cool, XO! I have a general hist and an medieval studies deg, but I thot an Masters in Mil Hist would tie that up nice.

IMB, As a historian, I'm biting me toungue at ye!:flamed: :sterb029:

:)

[KMURPHY]

Almost finished with a history degree myself

[Planning]

WOW! how did i miss this. that some great collections. thanks for sharing with us.
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[Genocide]

Holy ********! Thats one bad ass collection. No P08 or C96?

[Templar]

Me want G43/K43!!!


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[brewskzilla]

I'll chime in on this...
First of all, M1, that's awesome. I would love to be sitting in a restaurant and suddenly be sitting next to 30 German soldiers. Anyone who knows anything about reenacting wouldn't question it a bit. Your collection is top shelf.

Now, about the actual war:
As stated before, war is horrible. The sum of all evils, someone famous once called it. There is history from every nation involved in that war, and they all differ slightly. I, myself, am partial to the U.S. point of view, and I certainly wouldn't take sides against it.

My belief on the whole thing, though, has pretty much always been that Germany just beat the USSR to the punch. That conflict had been coming for quite a while. The USSR was fast becoming the most powerful nation in Europe, and the Germans were, really, the only people they feared. It's been proven historically that the Soviets were making invasion plans of their own, and Hitler, suspecting this, invaded eastward to take the initiative. The initiative in a war is more important to have than the ground, because it means you're making your enemies react to you, rather than the other way around. Politics aside, Hitler probably did the right thing, because if the hostilities had been initiated by the Soviets, Germany would have been in a bad way.

Which they ended up being, anyway, so once again, politics aside, at least they got their licks in while they could. Someone had to lose, though, and you dont invade west when you've got quite so big a monster on your eastern front.

[Buelligan]

Man, I had a lot of WW2 German stuff. I sold most of it 3 years ago helmets ,flags, iron crosses ect. I still have some stuff. I grew up in Germany ,and back in the earley 70s you could still find that stuff in barns or in the woods. The village i lived in was taken over by the French many times . I found a brass french helmet in the woods and i still have it.

[Patria Povo]

I picked up a few cool WWII German goodies right after the Wall came down. The East German's were digging up some rusty old helmets and all sorts of old crap, as well.

And historians rule!!!!! :rockon:

Great collection, btw, M1!

- PP
BA(Hons), MA in modern history (with an Industrial Relations minor), University of Western Australia.

[Buelligan]

If I can get all of my stuff together, i will post a pic,it is skaterd all over in closets ,in the garage ,some in tool boxes in the basement. I should get it all together The Germans have this get together onece a year ,and they get out all of the evil from there houses and barns ect and burn it it the street. Thats when we would go out and get some cool stuff. They would put out old beds, tables , and some times you would find the real evil stuff as they called it . You know the stuff every crazy person from the USA wants LOL helmets ,flags ect.

[M1 Tanker]

A blast from the past thread. Thanks fellas, its grown int he past year too. There are a lot of german pistols out , but I just can't seem to find the one I want. I did add this lately :)


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[weasel_master]

That thing looks great Chris. Have you shot it yet?

[M1 Tanker]

No, been too busy as you can tell by how little I been online. The kids start school in less then 2 weeks, so range trip coming up!

[turbothis]

solid!:thumbup:

[rifleman]

nice new pimp stick. that'll get the biatichs working.