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SteelCore
04-11-2007, 08:51 AM
From Salon.com

A question and reply.

I know you are a Democrat, but you certainly have very strong libertarian opinions. I was wondering where you stand on the Second Amendment. I'm a registered Independent who, the older I get, leans more toward libertarianism. Ideally there would never have been a Bill of Rights, and all freedoms would be understood to be the rights of every American. But since we have one, the rights listed, to me at least, are sacrosanct -- all of them, not just the first and third through the tenth!

I am pro-gun ownership. I have never been arrested, and the sum total of my criminal activity amounts to a pair of moving violations when I was still in my 20s. However, since I live in New York City, I need to either be rich and famous or navigate a confusing legal process if I want to acquire a permit.

We are always reminded, not least by Mayor Bloomberg (whom I generally like and voted for) that illegal guns kill. The problem is, there is no real means to get a gun legally, and those in the world who are anti-gun want to make it harder. The thing that leaves me scratching my head is when people say, Mayor Mike among 'em, that we need stricter laws to crack down on illegal guns! Exactly what needs to be in place to make an illegal gun more illegal!

I know there are bigger issues right now facing our presidential candidates, but this speaks to personal freedom as much as any other issue. Just wondering how you see it.

Dave Hunt
Brooklyn

As a Salon columnist (dating back to the founding of Salon in 1995), I have tried to provide a forum for defenders of the Second Amendment to make their case. The Northeastern major media, which remain heavily liberal, rarely permit these voices to be heard.

I do not own guns and have no interest in them. (Swords, those Homeric and chivalric emblems, have always attracted me more.) But as a libertarian, I read the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights as granting to private citizens the right to bear arms against the potential abuses of a government turned tyrannous. Furthermore, should police authority evaporate after a cataclysm of storm, flood, earthquake or terrorism, citizens have a right to defend their families and property against criminals and looters. If food and water are in short supply over a protracted period, expect predators and violence.

The horrendous problem of illegal guns now rampant among the urban underclass cannot be solved by depriving all American citizens of their Second Amendment rights. Major cities must address their internal problems, which include improving public education and vocational training, creating job-rich public works projects, and instituting on-the-street neighborhood policing. The major media, concentrated in their metropolises, should stop extrapolating their local issues to the nation as a whole.
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THere, you've heard it. a Dem saying that folks "should stop extrapolating their local issues to the nation as a whole." and that gun crime "cannot be solved by depriving all American citizens of their Second Amendment rights." And that education, (and perhaps a bit ethic and morality) will help, and I about fell over when they said "instituting on-the-street neighborhood policing." To me, that sounds like an armed 'neighborhood crime watch posse!'

Wow.

Wow. Someone quote this and send it to D. Feinstein...it'll be the revers of them using Dim Dumbo's comments against the 2nd!

jlpskydive
04-11-2007, 09:11 AM
"I'm a registered Independent who, the older I get, leans more toward libertarianism." He's not a Dem liberal, and to them he is just as bad or worse than a die hard Conservative, as he is now traitor to their cause. We need MORE LIBERTARIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and less of everything else. Listen to Neil Bortz sometime and see what it's all about. Although I dislike Neil on a personal level (I used to work with him) His ideas are some of the best I have ever heard.

Woodman in MO
04-11-2007, 09:41 AM
I just tell people the 2nd is about three things....

1.)Defense of Self
2.)Defense of State
3.)Defense of Self against State

And any Fudd who brings up hunting can kiss it...

pidaster
04-11-2007, 09:54 PM
My representative Gene Taylor is also a democrat and is pro-gun. My dad was talking with him one day and got mad because he wouldn't switch from the Democrat ticket to Republican. He's not much in line with most democrats. In his two page letter he sent back to me he correctly stated many gun facts about the "assault weapons" ban and how it sucked. He is in the NRA and they endorse him. Haven't heard back from good ole Trent Lott yet but I know where he stands.

Big Steve
04-11-2007, 10:14 PM
Not all Dem's are idiots when it comes to the gun issues. The problem is when it comes time to say yea or nay all the D's vote one way and all the R's vote the other. None of them have the balls to vote the way the people that voted them in would like them to. I think that the congress voting laws in for the rest of us to follow is BS anyway. Congress was needed because in 1776 there was no way for all the people to communicate and vote on things themselves. So we had to have them to represent us. Now days with television,radios and computers everyone can stay informed of the issues and we could vote on these things ourselves. We don't need these stupid bastards doing nothing more that justifying their existence by dreaming up new laws for us!
Steve