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cimmaronkid
04-12-2007, 07:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_deadly_messages

MEXICO CITY - Drug traffickers are waging a highly effective publicity campaign in Mexico that began with a chilling show of brutality in Acapulco: two police officers' heads, streaming with blood, were stuck on metal spikes outside a downtown building with a fluorescent cardboard sign. "So that you learn to respect," it read in thick black letters.

The spectacle a year ago in the Pacific resort set off a ghoulish trend among the drug lords battling for billion-dollar smuggling routes into the United States. They've since left a trail of bodies and bloodstained notes across Mexico, with a goal of spreading fear — a sense of dread so deep that rivals, police, witnesses and even President Felipe Calderon won't dare cross them.

This is just a part of the article, but it brings the point home. The drug cartels of Mexico are in competition and are now resorting to intimidation and killing of citizens that have no connection to them and because of this, the Mexican police are running the other way, the Mexican military are running the other way and even the president of Mexico won't interfer in their illegal activities.

These people are so brazen, they have gone to taking out newspaper ads and posting videos on u-tube threatening various groups of people, leaving notes on corpuses attached by ice picks and trash bags full of body parts, and rolling heads across a dance floor. The reason for the fighting is for the routes to bring drugs/illegals/arms across our southern border as there is huge money involved in doing this.

If ever there was a justifiable reason to get tough and become "politically uncorrect" this is it. We do not want nor need these people. It is time that someone, namely the congress and the lame duck we have for a president, quit their infighting, get off their collective dead asses, issue some live ammunition, land mines, some orders of engagement and stop these people from coming into this country. Someone needs to stand up to these SOB's and since the president of the Mexico can't and won't because he is to afraid of these people, along with the law enforcement community and military of Mexico, then it looks like it is time to "take the gloves off" and start shipping body bags to all points south in Texas, Arizona, and California.

These people understand only one thing and that is strength and pray on those that don't have the ability to defend themselves. Time to flex our muscles and show them that we are no longer the '98 pound weakling".

rustypirate
04-12-2007, 07:40 PM
This kind of tactic is nothing new, it reminds me of the troubles in Colombia a number of years back.

Build the fence, just build the GD fence.

But that will never come to pass.....

bullseye
04-13-2007, 02:20 AM
Send what you can to the Minutemen, they are our only hope in getting a fence. Hell, if you have the time and can do it, go help them build it. I would but am not able at the moment, but when I can I will be there. This is what we have to contend with for help otherwise...

Grasshopper
04-13-2007, 04:39 AM
This is why we have USNS teams.:pipe:

GreenWolf
04-13-2007, 07:30 AM
If ever there was a justifiable reason to get tough and become "politically uncorrect" this is it. We do not want nor need these people.
Our presidents, presidential-hopefuls, and other politicians in the lordship category seem to need these people.

Forget it cimmaron. They are too strong and we can never defeat them. We must join with them.
:shithitsthefan8ba:

LorDiego
04-13-2007, 08:49 AM
If the US decriminalizes drug possesion and drug use, these people would simply evaporate.

The war on drugs allows this to happen.

okie shooter
04-13-2007, 09:15 AM
If the US decriminalizes drug possesion and drug use, these people would simply evaporate.

The war on drugs allows this to happen.

Do you think if we leaglize drugs, like we did seventy years ago, by ending proabition, the gangs would evaporate, it would just make the us users not be criminals, but the gangs would live on, finding something else to make money on and terrorizeing the population. They are going to be parasites on society, may it be drugs, or something else, heck maybe they would just switch to human smuggleing.

SteelCore
04-13-2007, 10:52 AM
"Mexican police are running the other way, the Mexican military are running the other way and even the president of Mexico won't interfer in their illegal activities."
-->Well, these groups did run the other way, but with their cartel cash in hand...they are PAID not to give a fook, and to look the other way. The whole friggin country runs on payola.

I gotta agree to some extent with LorDiego. Prohibition of any sort leads to a thriving black market, and just try to get taxes there.

I think the reason there is a black mkt is that the money powers that be are hooked into it...they don't wanna lose their blackmkt sales either, any more than they want to lose their sources of cheap illegal laborers.

cetme
04-13-2007, 12:01 PM
1919 belt fed and a half track, Thats border security!

Geilt
04-13-2007, 01:26 PM
A couple of quick points...

The violence is not a new thing. The drug cartels have always used violence and the fear of violence to get their point across. It happened in Columbia, it happened in Miami and its not new in Mexico. Its a simple matter of billions of dollars being on the line and they are willing to literally kill to get a bigger slice of that pie. It took 15 years of dealing with the Columbian cartels before we decided to take the war to them. First the Cali (sp?) cartel fell and with the death of Escobar the Medaine (sp?) cartel finally fell. The "new" Mexican cartels are just filling the void created by the collapse of the cartels in Columbia. We did nothing to solve the underlying problem. Until we do, this will continue.

The legalization of drugs will not deter this violence or the street crime associated with it. Even if the US gov't took the approach they did with tobacco and regulated the industry it wouldn't help. Both the government and public would NEVER allow hard narcotics to be legalized anyway. Opiates, cocaine (in all of its variations), meth and all the other big drugs are justified. About the only drug I would consider decriminalizing (not legalizing) would be marijuana but only on a small scale possession.

I think the Minutemen are treading on thin ice. There are HUGE liability issues here. If one person is injured, or God forbid killed, just trying to avoid the Minutemen we all know how the liberal sphincters in the media will react. Just look at how the Border Patrol agents were treated after they had a little run in with a known Mexican dealer.

We have become a nation that prefers to deal with the symptoms instead of dealing with the disease itself.

LorDiego
04-13-2007, 02:35 PM
Do you think if we leaglize drugs, like we did seventy years ago, by ending proabition, the gangs would evaporate, it would just make the us users not be criminals, but the gangs would live on, finding something else to make money on and terrorizeing the population. They are going to be parasites on society, may it be drugs, or something else, heck maybe they would just switch to human smuggleing.

Yes.

You answer your own question, for you see, the problem is not alcohol nor drugs, the problem is criminals.