W.E.G.
01-27-2009, 09:52 PM
VA-ALERT: 1/27/09 Action items and Legislative Update
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: Legislative Update/Action items 1/27/09
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VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings.html
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Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html
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1. URGENT ACTION ITEMS
2. Victory for gun owners today - preemption still safe!
3. Committee meetings you might want to attend this week
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1. URGENT ACTION ITEMS
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Click on the links below to send message on some important bills
coming up tomorrow and Thursday:
SB 1431, Senator Cuccinelli, requires the state to not comply with
Read ID
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MySenator&PRE=09-SB1431
-
HB 1655, Delegate Carrico, puts teeth in preemption
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB1655
-
HB 1748, Delegate Pogge, clarifies that an expired CHP still exempts
the holder from fingerprinting on renewal
HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One
Handgun A Month
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB1748-1851
-
HB 2144, Delegate Nutter, prevents the State Police from giving out
private information on CHP holders, BUT lets courts do so. The
Fredericksburg Freelance-Star loves this bill
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB2144
-
HB 1910, Delegate BaCote, allows localities to ban guns in libraries
HB 2178, Delegate E.T. Scott, makes possession of ammunition by a
convicted felon a crime
HB 2227, Delegate Marsden, adds an airgun that can expel a projectile
at over 250 FPS to the concealed weapons list
HB 2318, Delegate Morrissey, requires anyone selling three or more
guns at a gun show be an FFL
HB 2418, Delegate Ward, requires a machine gun owner to notify the
State Police of any change of address
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB1910-2418
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2. Victory for gun owners today - preemption still safe!
************************************************** *
Today two anti-gun bills were both crushed by a 10 to 5 vote!
SB 832, Senator Locke, would allow localities to ban guns in their
government buildings while government meetings are in session
The comments the other side made to justify this bill were:
Senator Marsh, "an irate citizen carrying a gun for self-defense might
get in a shootout" and "It is not disputed that 85% of citizens want
more gun control."
Member of Hampton City Council, "Because someone might have criminal
intent to shoot someone during a city council meeting, we must not let
anyone carry" and "Gun sales are booming"
I had a great deal of fun using those arguments to justify killing the
bill.
I pointed out that if an irate citizen decided to start shooting, I
want a gun at the meeting to protect myself. I told Marsh that the
85% number was ABSOLUTELY disputed. I said that if we are going to
ban guns because someone might do something illegal, then we need to
ban cars lest someone might drive drunk.
They tried to sweeten up the bill by allowing CHP holders to be
exempt, but I still said that VCDL opposed the bill because most law
abiding gun owners don't have CHPs and don't need one to carry openly,
as is their RIGHT.
Senator Locke said that localities should have the same ability to ban
open carriers as does the General Assembly.
At that point Senator Cuccinelli ask me if the reason that the General
Assembly didn't allow non-CHP holders to carry was because of the
Rules Committee.
I said, "Yes. In fact the General Assembly has never voted on that
rule and it is in violation now of the General Assembly's own rules.
In fact last year the House voted to ban guns and that idea was
CRUSHED by something like a 20 to 80 vote."
Here are the Senators that voted pro-gun:
Quayle (R), Martin (R), Hanger (R), Reynolds (D), Ruff (R), Cuccinelli
(R), Obenshain (R), Herring (D), Smith (R), Stuart (R)
Here are the Senators that voted anti-gun:
Lucas (D), Marsh (D), Ticer (D), Puller (D), Locke (D)
--
SB 1053, Senator Whipple, was next and it would prohibit guns in any
local government facility if they have an ordinance to that effect.
Falls Church is apparently still angry at VCDL members for having the
audacity to attend, while armed, one of their city council meetings to
protest one of their gun control schemes. ;-)
Arguments for the bill:
Senator Whipple, "It's for the children" and "Open carriers scare
people"
David Snyder on the Falls Church City Council, "There was a gang
shooting in Falls Church."
Alice MountJoy, "Because gun owners can't carry in all government
buildings, this bill would make the law consistent by not allowing any
carry in government buildings."
Here are the Senators that voted pro-gun:
Quayle (R), Martin (R), Hanger (R), Reynolds (D), Ruff (R), Cuccinelli
(R), Obenshain (R), Herring (D), Smith (R), Stuart (R)
Here are the Senators that voted anti-gun:
Lucas (D), Marsh (D), Ticer (D), Puller (D), Locke (D)
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3. Committee meetings you might want to attend this week
************************************************** *
Wednesday - Senate Room B at 2 PM - Senate Committee on General Laws
and Technology:
SB 1431, Senator Cuccinelli, requires the state to not comply with
Read ID
-
Wednesday - Senate Room A at 2 PM - Senate Courts of Justice Committee:
SB 1035, Senator Hanger, repeals the restaurant ban (VCDL STRONGLY
SUPPORTS)
SB 1385, Senator Stolle, requires a State Police presence at gun shows
(VCDL OPPOSES as written)
-
Thursday - 8th Floor West Conference Room at 5 PM - House Militia,
Police and Public Safety subcommittee #1:
HB 1655, Delegate Carrico, puts teeth in preemption (VCDL STRONGLY
SUPPORTS)
HB 1748, Delegate Pogge, clarifies that an expired CHP still exempts
the holder from fingerprinting on renewal (VCDL STRONGLY SUPPORTS)
HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One
Handgun A Month (VCDL STRONGLY SUPPORTS)
HB 1910, Delegate BaCote, would allow localities to ban guns in
libraries (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2144, Delegate Nutter, prevents State Police from giving out
private information on CHP holders, BUT lets courts do so.
Fredericksburg Freelance-Star loves this bill (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES
as written)
HB 2178, Delegate E.T. Scott, makes possession of ammunition by a
convicted felon a crime (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2227, Delegate Marsden, adds an airgun that can expel a projectile
at over 250 FPS to the concealed weapons list (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2318, Delegate Morrissey, requires anyone selling three or more
guns at a gun show be an FFL (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2418, Delegate Ward, requires a machine gun owner to notify the
State Police of any change of address (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: Legislative Update/Action items 1/27/09
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. URGENT ACTION ITEMS
2. Victory for gun owners today - preemption still safe!
3. Committee meetings you might want to attend this week
************************************************** *
1. URGENT ACTION ITEMS
************************************************** *
Click on the links below to send message on some important bills
coming up tomorrow and Thursday:
SB 1431, Senator Cuccinelli, requires the state to not comply with
Read ID
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MySenator&PRE=09-SB1431
-
HB 1655, Delegate Carrico, puts teeth in preemption
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB1655
-
HB 1748, Delegate Pogge, clarifies that an expired CHP still exempts
the holder from fingerprinting on renewal
HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One
Handgun A Month
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB1748-1851
-
HB 2144, Delegate Nutter, prevents the State Police from giving out
private information on CHP holders, BUT lets courts do so. The
Fredericksburg Freelance-Star loves this bill
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB2144
-
HB 1910, Delegate BaCote, allows localities to ban guns in libraries
HB 2178, Delegate E.T. Scott, makes possession of ammunition by a
convicted felon a crime
HB 2227, Delegate Marsden, adds an airgun that can expel a projectile
at over 250 FPS to the concealed weapons list
HB 2318, Delegate Morrissey, requires anyone selling three or more
guns at a gun show be an FFL
HB 2418, Delegate Ward, requires a machine gun owner to notify the
State Police of any change of address
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/reflector.html?REF=MyDelegate&PRE=09-HB1910-2418
************************************************** *
2. Victory for gun owners today - preemption still safe!
************************************************** *
Today two anti-gun bills were both crushed by a 10 to 5 vote!
SB 832, Senator Locke, would allow localities to ban guns in their
government buildings while government meetings are in session
The comments the other side made to justify this bill were:
Senator Marsh, "an irate citizen carrying a gun for self-defense might
get in a shootout" and "It is not disputed that 85% of citizens want
more gun control."
Member of Hampton City Council, "Because someone might have criminal
intent to shoot someone during a city council meeting, we must not let
anyone carry" and "Gun sales are booming"
I had a great deal of fun using those arguments to justify killing the
bill.
I pointed out that if an irate citizen decided to start shooting, I
want a gun at the meeting to protect myself. I told Marsh that the
85% number was ABSOLUTELY disputed. I said that if we are going to
ban guns because someone might do something illegal, then we need to
ban cars lest someone might drive drunk.
They tried to sweeten up the bill by allowing CHP holders to be
exempt, but I still said that VCDL opposed the bill because most law
abiding gun owners don't have CHPs and don't need one to carry openly,
as is their RIGHT.
Senator Locke said that localities should have the same ability to ban
open carriers as does the General Assembly.
At that point Senator Cuccinelli ask me if the reason that the General
Assembly didn't allow non-CHP holders to carry was because of the
Rules Committee.
I said, "Yes. In fact the General Assembly has never voted on that
rule and it is in violation now of the General Assembly's own rules.
In fact last year the House voted to ban guns and that idea was
CRUSHED by something like a 20 to 80 vote."
Here are the Senators that voted pro-gun:
Quayle (R), Martin (R), Hanger (R), Reynolds (D), Ruff (R), Cuccinelli
(R), Obenshain (R), Herring (D), Smith (R), Stuart (R)
Here are the Senators that voted anti-gun:
Lucas (D), Marsh (D), Ticer (D), Puller (D), Locke (D)
--
SB 1053, Senator Whipple, was next and it would prohibit guns in any
local government facility if they have an ordinance to that effect.
Falls Church is apparently still angry at VCDL members for having the
audacity to attend, while armed, one of their city council meetings to
protest one of their gun control schemes. ;-)
Arguments for the bill:
Senator Whipple, "It's for the children" and "Open carriers scare
people"
David Snyder on the Falls Church City Council, "There was a gang
shooting in Falls Church."
Alice MountJoy, "Because gun owners can't carry in all government
buildings, this bill would make the law consistent by not allowing any
carry in government buildings."
Here are the Senators that voted pro-gun:
Quayle (R), Martin (R), Hanger (R), Reynolds (D), Ruff (R), Cuccinelli
(R), Obenshain (R), Herring (D), Smith (R), Stuart (R)
Here are the Senators that voted anti-gun:
Lucas (D), Marsh (D), Ticer (D), Puller (D), Locke (D)
************************************************** *
3. Committee meetings you might want to attend this week
************************************************** *
Wednesday - Senate Room B at 2 PM - Senate Committee on General Laws
and Technology:
SB 1431, Senator Cuccinelli, requires the state to not comply with
Read ID
-
Wednesday - Senate Room A at 2 PM - Senate Courts of Justice Committee:
SB 1035, Senator Hanger, repeals the restaurant ban (VCDL STRONGLY
SUPPORTS)
SB 1385, Senator Stolle, requires a State Police presence at gun shows
(VCDL OPPOSES as written)
-
Thursday - 8th Floor West Conference Room at 5 PM - House Militia,
Police and Public Safety subcommittee #1:
HB 1655, Delegate Carrico, puts teeth in preemption (VCDL STRONGLY
SUPPORTS)
HB 1748, Delegate Pogge, clarifies that an expired CHP still exempts
the holder from fingerprinting on renewal (VCDL STRONGLY SUPPORTS)
HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One
Handgun A Month (VCDL STRONGLY SUPPORTS)
HB 1910, Delegate BaCote, would allow localities to ban guns in
libraries (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2144, Delegate Nutter, prevents State Police from giving out
private information on CHP holders, BUT lets courts do so.
Fredericksburg Freelance-Star loves this bill (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES
as written)
HB 2178, Delegate E.T. Scott, makes possession of ammunition by a
convicted felon a crime (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2227, Delegate Marsden, adds an airgun that can expel a projectile
at over 250 FPS to the concealed weapons list (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2318, Delegate Morrissey, requires anyone selling three or more
guns at a gun show be an FFL (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
HB 2418, Delegate Ward, requires a machine gun owner to notify the
State Police of any change of address (VCDL STRONGLY OPPOSES)
-------------------------------------------
************************************************** *************************
VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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