View Full Version : Recrowning a Garand?
SteelCore
02-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Hey, I was reading on Fulton Armory's web page in the description for their Muzzle Wear Gauge (Garand Parte section):
"0.0 indicates a .300” diameter bore, that is, .30 caliber, new, perfect.
0.5 is like new, .305 caliber. Proper re-crowning will perfect the crown.
1.0 is excellent for a used barrel (.301 cal.) Re-crowning should make it like new.
1.5 is good (.3015 cal.). Proper re-crowning should make it excellent.
2.0 is fair (.302 cal.). Proper re-crowning should make it serviceable.
2.5 is poor (.3025 cal.). Proper re-crowning might make it serviceable.
3.0 or more is a "bald tire" and is now a British .303 caliber barrel. Replace barrel"
Does this make sense? Tereason I ask, is the "re-crowning" comment. Say I have a garand with a muzzle reading of 1.5, shoudl I consider a re-crown, or not worry about it? The crown on mine has no nicks or dings that I can see.
tanstaafl4y
02-02-2009, 02:17 PM
The crown on mine has no nicks or dings that I can see.
How does it shoot?
SteelCore
02-03-2009, 03:15 PM
It kicks butt. Just last week, I shot the stink offa skunk at 300.
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Global Gunsmithing
02-03-2009, 06:43 PM
while putting a new barrel would be fine, so would counter boring, it would tighten up the groups
drine
02-03-2009, 06:55 PM
If it's accurate, don't sweat it.
okie shooter
02-04-2009, 06:47 AM
If its shooting good, the ole adage applies in my opnion, "If it aint broke, don't fix it", you might cause more problems than the ones you imagine you have.
Orlando
02-04-2009, 07:47 AM
Forget what Fulton says, not to bash them but I really dont think they have a clue when it comes to Garands. Could be they just want to sell new barrels ? A MW of 1.5 is very very good, a new barrel does not measure 0 like some people think. I have a brand new old stock never installed USGI Springfield barrel. It measures a .75, A barrel with MW of 1.5 is just basically a new barrel. Recrowning is not nessacary unless there are nicks in the crown or accuracy starts to suffer. I wouldnt even think of it until you get up around a 3 or more but a 3 is very far from being a sewer pipe as Fulton suggests.
If you change that ole worn out barrel send it to me!!
Garands can be fairly accurate but are not target rifles. Recrowning a muzzle with wear such as yours you would see no difference in accuracy.
Nice shooting on the skunk!
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/misc/MVC-011F-1.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/misc/MVC-012F.jpg
SteelCore
02-04-2009, 08:11 AM
from talking to some folks more knowledgeable in the Garand than me, I gathered that 1.5 was a pretty good measurement, especially for a Service Grade.
I'll not worry abt the recrown...I'm not needing a Match grade rifle here.
Global Gunsmithing
02-04-2009, 10:44 AM
the Italian made barrels, BMB, BMR and PB are sought after for good shooting barrels, they are, I have some new unissued ones and the TE is 1
Daffy
02-04-2009, 02:22 PM
This info goes the same on throat erossion as well. Some came new measuring as much a 3.
Fulton armory is a fine business from what I've gathered, but its a BUSINESS none the less. Which means "find ways to make more money." For us everyday range shooters, hunters, etc I wouldn't go by thier gospel.
To say your bore is a ".303 brit" (.311 or .312) seems a bit over stated as that measure would only be near the muzzle from the cleaning rod, not the entire length of the barrel and on the lands not in the grooves.
As G.G. said, a counter bore would be more in order I would think that just a crown, as a crowning would just take care of any dings/roughness on the edge and not any wear down further.
If you all of a sudden notice your accuracy flew south, then you may need a crown because you may have put a tiny, almost invisible, ding in it.
Orlando
02-04-2009, 02:37 PM
I dont think counterboring is acceptble method for reducing MW on a Garand . Counterboring the muzzle will affect the function of the gas port. Normal USGI armorer fix is to slightly cut the barrel back and recrown.
Usually you can only reduce MW measurement by +1 , anymore than that it will be affecting rifle function
Daffy
02-05-2009, 06:48 PM
Cutting the barrel back would have the same effect as counter boring. You shorten the distance from the gas port to bullet exit point. There is a minimum depth you can counter bore a garand. If you do have cycling issues afterwords, you should be able to open up the port a bit to compensate as done on some other semi rifles when you shorten the barrel. I forget what the max depth is but 3/8" rings a bell but that sounds a bit deep for a garand.
Personally, if it comes to that, I say replace to barrel.
DaCapster
02-07-2009, 09:29 AM
I recrowned my Garand..the darn muzzel end looked like a monkey had tried to use it as a trombone for 15 years........shoots a hell of a lot better now
Eagle 1
02-11-2009, 10:17 AM
If it shoots well, leave it be. A friend had a rack grade HRA, muzzle a bit over three, and it shoots 2 inch groups with irons at 100 yards. Muzzle wear is not necessarily a measure of how well it will shoot, and at 1.5 its got lots of life left. And as mentioned above muzzle wear is not necessarily an indicator of the bore itself but more likely an indictment of the previous owners cleaning ability.
Eagle 1
mrbgt
02-11-2009, 12:14 PM
you can use a lee case trimmer with the proper gage to recrown . http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&p=484821
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