Will JLD PTR91 HTS set fit a CETME?

[tracyballard]

Will a Hammer, Trigger, Sear set for the PTR-91 fit my CETME parts kit if I use all the other original CETME parts? Or, do I have to get a trigger housing from a G3? Does it matter if I get a G3 or CETME upper receiver?

[rustypirate]

In order to use any G3 FCG parts, you must replace the entire FCG including the trigger frame, and selector lever.

If you use the G3 receiver, you will have to use the G3 rear sight as the sight bases are different for the CETME and G3, and they are usually pre-installed.

[tracyballard]

Would I have to change the pistol grip too, or just the FCG cage?

[nalioth]

Just the cage.

[tracyballard]

I just bought a couple of Thermold US 20 round CETME mags at an online auction, I hope they fit good. Will a PTR-91 trunnion work on the CETME? What is the operating rod, is that the cocking handle on a CETME? thanks for all the info!!!!

[jfowl31]

A ptr uses a G3 trunnion and it wont work on a Cetme. they have different bolts and different trunnions.

I assume the Op rod youre talking about is the recoil rod... I dont know of anything else that could be called an op rod.

[grifter95]

Yeah operating rod sure doesn't seem it should be the cocking handle to anyone else either! Except for the ATF! They always see everything perfectly, while the rest of society is stupid. Sounds kinda fishy to me.
But as far as US part count goes....replace the cocking handle with US part = US operating rod.

One side note. I have a family member who is an assistant US Attorney who has probably 75% of his case being firearms cases by the ATF. I inquired about the 922 US parts rules and about them being prosecuteable. Well to my astonishment, he had never heard of the rules, let alone an individual being successfuly prosecuted for them! I have some feeling the US parts companies wouldn't tell you this.

[texlurch]

I have never heard of a 922 parts case being prosecuted either.

BUT

Do you want to be the "test dummy", and spend all your time and money in court fighting Uncle Sam? For the price of compliance parts, it just isn't worth the hassle.

[M1 Tanker]

One side note. I have a family member who is an assistant US Attorney who has probably 75% of his case being firearms cases by the ATF. I inquired about the 922 US parts rules and about them being prosecuteable. Well to my astonishment, he had never heard of the rules, let alone an individual being successfuly prosecuted for them! I have some feeling the US parts companies wouldn't tell you this.

:nonono: :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

Before this discussion goes ANY further, 922R is the law. When on this forum, you will not discuss breaking the law. We follow 922r to the letter, because as Texlurch said, do you want to be the first?

Zero discussion about whether or not you believe in following 922r or any other gun law. These are laws on the books and we are all law abiding citizens....so lets keep it that way.

[texlurch]

Like Judge Dread said...


"It's the laaaaawwww"

[grifter95]

Tanker...slow down a second. Nowhere did I say anything about the validity of sec 922 or whether we should break it. I too am a law abiding citizen. I was simply stating how ironic it is that everyone is almost paranoid about us compliance parts, while there is no case show it being enforced. I would like to see a stretch of highway where noone had ever been prosecuted for speeding. Do you think that anyone would actually drive the speed limit there? Obviously not. So my analysis is that the us parts companies do alot to "sell" the validity and enforeceability of section 922.

[rustypirate]

Grifter,

Many laws are written into place just to give a LEO an excuse to search, or prosecute.

Weather of not the law has ever been prosecuted does not make it any less important of a law, or give any less reason for following it.

We will not tollerate discussion that might be interpreted as condoning the disreagrd of any laws here, especially firearms compliance laws.

[grifter95]

Then explain something to me. How is going to the an official in the judicial branch and inquiring about a law and its application unlawful? I have actual had two different ATF agents tell me in the past that they though 922 only applied to manufactures. So I went one step past them to try to get someone who's job is to INTERPRET the law to help me. Now how you all can misunderstand that as "discussion that might be interpreted as condoning the disreagrd of any laws here"? That is just obsurd. What are we all just suppossed to sit around and not ask questions? I was raised to ask them. Thats how I learn things!

[jfowl31]

nobody said you couldnt go ask your "friend" about it... but when a rule is set on a forum that you won't discuss things that COULD be considered illegal... YOU ABIDE BY THEM!

Everyone agrees that the rules are absurd... This site isn't set up to talk about how to get around them, there are other sites for that. If you dont want to abide by them, thats your choice, but you shouldnt discuss it here because ITS THE RULES.

Its in the primer... you shouldve seen it there.

Questioning the rules is something we all as humans do naturally... but the moment you start to condone or imply that someone said something about something, and its ok now... youve crossed the line. I dont know what kind of liability the admins would assume if that were to occur, but Im guessing they dont want to mess with that one, so if youve got any more "questions" which imply that you cant get in trouble for breaking a particular law, I suggest you keep them to yourself or take them to another board.

[jfowl31]

straight from the rules thread...

Simple rules .....be nice and polite

1. No Trolling
2. No Flaming
3. No discussion about how to do something illegal.
4. No discussion condoning something dangerous.
5. No pornogrophy
6. No spamming

[Perro]

back on topic (which is rare for me)

not only do you need to find a g3 fire control box, but you must also find all the springs, spacers, hammer strut, etc etc etc

it will be a hard, and EXPENSIVE proposition to try and make put g3 fire control parts into a cetme build unless you had a g3 parts kit with a fire control group donor to get the springs, hammer strut, etc etc


and did i tell you tanker that im glad i dont have to deal with topics like this anymore :)

[jfowl31]

Tanker...slow down a second. Nowhere did I say anything about the validity of sec 922 or whether we should break it. I too am a law abiding citizen. I was simply stating how ironic it is that everyone is almost paranoid about us compliance parts, while there is no case show it being enforced. I would like to see a stretch of highway where noone had ever been prosecuted for speeding. Do you think that anyone would actually drive the speed limit there? Obviously not. So my analysis is that the us parts companies do alot to "sell" the validity and enforeceability of section 922.

That's the line...... Even if that section of road was not enforced... its your decision to do what you like whether to speed or not... just dont talk about it here. Its a pretty simple thing to grasp.

If you dont want to comply with the rules in 922, its your decision, but dont give the implication thats its ok for anyone else here to break the law along with you. Im sure there are plenty of people out there who are non-compliant, but Ill let their ass get screwed before Ill volunteer mine.

[jfowl31]

and did i tell you tanker that im glad i dont have to deal with topics like this anymore :)

You know you miss it Perro..... right...............

[grifter95]

jfowl31... I think your having a hard time with what I said. NOWEHERE did I say that I didn't abide by section 922 (all my weapons do!)! Nowhere did I say that anyone else shouldn't! Nowhere did I say that the law should be ignored! Nowhere did I [have a ] "discussion about how to do something illegal." As you pointed out in the rules like I had done that. All I did was make an observation about some things I considered ironic. Quite trying to read more into what I said then I actually said. As an honest upstanding citizen (not a slave!), so I went to the proper officials to ask my questions regarding a rule I am required to follow. Is this ILLEGAL? Am I missing something here?

[jfowl31]

Your implication that 922R has never been enforced, and speaking lightly about whether or not it can be enforced is enough...

You never ACTUALLY did anything wrong or Im sure you would have been suspended or something by the administrators... they just stopped you before anything escalated to the point where someone DID say it was ok, and you got all pissy at that point.

Just drop it. No one said you did anything illegal... Its been laid out in the rules that we shouldnt discuss anything that could be considered illegal... that includes giving the implication that you cant get caught.

[jfowl31]

and for the record... when you gave your analogy of whether anyone would obey the speed limit is where I think you went across the line... You implied that since no case had been enforced that no one would obey the law.

Just like you said that if no one enforced the speed limit, everyone would speed. You get it now? That simple comment could have been enough for some guy whos not compliant to read and decide that he/she to not get into compliance... thereby making it somewhat of a discussion about doing something illegal.

[grifter95]

jfowl31, I would have dropped it if everyone, included you wouldn't have started implying that I said x,y,z. And now you have resorted to saying I got "all pissy"? And I did not imply that 922 wasn't enforced. I simply stated the answer given by a US attorney. How is that implying?

[Perro]

tankers name is on this website
he is partially responsible for what is posted here

that is why its important that this kind of stuff not even be discussed.

This hurts us as a whole anyway if you ask me
922r is our only loophole that allows us to own these kinds of firearms
without 922r, you wouldnt be able to own your cetme cause it is banned from importation.

It is no longer my website, but i used to run one just like it about cetme rifles, and i have to concur with the rules of this forum. Tanker is partially responsible for whats posted here - maybe even not legally, but definately morally.

im nobody special anymore, but if someone were to ask me what i thought about it based on my past firearms forums experiance, i would ask the members to just drop it and get back on topic, and as a moderator, or admin i would delete the offending topics - thats a big change from how i would have done it though, id eventually get upset and just ban the people who couldnt let it go :D


my opinions only



Mike

[nalioth]

im nobody special anymore, Mike, you're so full of :bull:

[grifter95]

My analogy is correct. Noone would obey the speed limit. Would that make it legal? No way. I just find it weird how "obsessed" everyone is with the rule. Yeah it's there. And yes everyone should follow it. PERIOD.
But it amazes me how many times that is the first question people ask about a rifle that someone talks about or shows. When I see a rifle, I say I like it or not. Not ...which us parts you got there.

[grifter95]

Fine lets all (including ME) drop it. I would just appreciate it in the future to not have people say I said, or implied x,y, and z. If you have a problem with what I said, then please just say that. If you fear that the topic might go somewhere it shouldn't, then just say that. And I will be fine with that! Is that too much to ask?

[jfowl31]

I'm with Perro that it should be dropped and the discussion should get back on topic.

Im not sure how you can read your post about if no one enforced a speed limit that anyone could speed is not an implication that its ok to break the law if you dont get caught... but aparently Im stretching that one... why would you even post that if you didnt feel that it was ok to break the law if no one enforces it...

Im done... I was simply defending what the Mods and administrators laid out at the start of this forum.

[nevada]

Wow. what sensitive people we are today. Gifter makes an observation and the reaction is like that of someone from the victim class. I think de-caf is in order.

[rustypirate]

I want to apologize to Grifter, It does seem that the reaction was a bit extreme.

I want Grifter to know that we don't think that he is trying to cause any trouble, but unfortunately we cannot count on other people reading this to interpret things the way we intend them to.

We just want to make it perfectly clear to ANYONE that the rules must be followed even if we don't think that they make a whole lot of sense.

Once again, sorry for the apparent artillery barrage.

[SteelCore]

back on topic:

"bought a couple of Thermold"
--The thermolds are made for G-3s, but can be made to work with CETMEs (for cast receivered CETMES, no fitting may be required). They fell out of favor because of their tendency to melt when used in conjunction with full auto G-3s (they called them 'thermelts' ;))

Are you using the Thermolds for 922r compliance? I do. They count as 3 US parts (follower, floorplate, and mag body)

If tyou do have to hsape them to fit, work slowly with a file, sandpaper, and sharp knife.

If they don't fit, PM me and I'd buy them off ye! Thermolds are my fave CETME mag.