The armed citizen

[tomoshenko]

Some local NH news:

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- There was a shootout in a Manchester bar early Saturday, leaving one man wounded and under arrest.

It all started when Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, of Manchester, and another man were thrown out of the Uptown Tavern just before 1 a.m., following a confrontation with employees, police said.

Encarnacion pulled a gun and fired several shots at tavern employees, police said. A customer who saw the shooting then pulled his own gun and wounded the gunman.

Encarnacion ran off, wounded in the arm and leg, but police found him a short while later. After surgery, he was recovering and awaiting a court date on attempted assault and firearms charges. His companion was arrested on a probation violation.

No one in the bar was hurt.

[pigpen]

If this happened more often crime would go down.

[cimmaronkid]

I agree whole heartly. I would be curious to know of his status as a citizen vs illegal also. Hope he goes away for a long time.:jumping:

[SteelCore]

Agreed...these kind of incidents need more press.

Of the two shooters in the story, it is obvious who was the thug and who spent some time at the range (or taking defensive shooting classes or somesuch)

gladta hear the only prsn hurt was the thug-shooter.

[tomoshenko]

Here is a more detail version from the Union Leader:

MANCHESTER – Bullets flew outside the Uptown Tavern early yesterday when a peeved patron began shooting at a doorman after being thrown out of the club. The shooter himself was shot twice by an armed customer who rushed to the bouncer's defense, a club owner and police said.

The shooter had missed doorman Chad Ryan after firing about four shots at him in the 1301 Elm St. club's parking lot when the alleged gunman was himself hit twice by the unidentified patron who returned fire about 12:45 a.m., said club co-owner Dave Somers.

The wounded suspect, identified by police as Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, and his companion -- both of whom were thrown out of the club moments earlier -- ran from the parking lot up Myrtle Street with an angry group of club patrons in pursuit.

"A bunch of people came pouring out of the Uptown yelling, 'Are you going to shoot at me?' and started chasing them," said Jessica Doty, 20, who lives next door.

Encarnacion, of 214 Bremer St., Apt. 2, limped nearly the length of the block -- splattering blood on porch stoops, the sidewalk and street -- before he collapsed near 83 Myrtle St. and the group caught up with him and his friend, witnesses said.

"There was a mob of people chasing after them," said one neighbor, who refused to give his name. After tracking down the pair, "they opened up their cell phones to see what had happened ... I thought they were going to beat him up, but they didn't. I think they saw the guy was hurt," the neighbor continued.

Witnesses said they saw a .45 caliber handgun lying on the street about 20 feet from the club's rear door. Police said they recovered the .45 caliber handgun allegedly used by Encarnacion along with the patron's handgun.

Encarnacion was in serious condition at Elliot Hospital where he underwent surgery for gunshot wounds to the right arm and right leg, police and a hospital spokesperson said. He was arrested at the hospital on three counts of attempted first-degree assault and possession of a firearm without a serial number.

His companion, Adrian Brown, 32, of 46 Dover St., Apt. 8, was arrested on a probation violation on Myrtle Street and placed on a 72-hour detention. He is being held without bail at Hillsborough County jail.

Both men are Virgin Islands natives and know each other, police said.

Neighbors said they heard from four to eight shots. Det. Lt. Nick Willard said "numerous shots" were fired, but would not say how many.

Encarnacion and Brown were drinking in the club's upstairs lounge for several hours when one of them grabbed a female patron's buttocks and they were asked to leave, said Somers, recounting events told him by his on-duty manager.

After the two were escorted from the bar, doorman Ryan remained outside when one of the men went to his vehicle and came back with a handgun, Somers said.

"He (Ryan) was standing outside the door making sure everything was cool. This guy decides to pull out a gun and shoot at him," he continued.

Encarnacion was about six to eight feet from Ryan when he fired the first shot, hitting the door frame, Willard said. When the second shot rang out, a male customer inside the bar realized what was happening and intervened, he continued.

"He feels the bouncer's life is in danger and he produces his own firearm and proceeds to return fire," said Willard, who credited the patron with saving the doorman and possibly even Brown from being shot.

Police withheld the patron's name while they continue their investigation, which will include an inquiry into whether his use of deadly force was justified.

Club employees were not aware the customer -- described as a regular patron -- was carrying a concealed weapon, Somers said.

"I'm not okaying it. But if he didn't, probably my doorman would be dead," Somers said.

Co-owner Roy Arsenault said nothing like this has ever happened in the 15 years the tavern has been in business. And he said, "We do not want this ever to happen again."

Arsenault, who arrived at the Uptown a few minutes after the shooting happened, said there were 30 to 40 people inside at the time.

He said the owners will do whatever Manchester police advise to ensure the safety of the club's customers and employees in the future. "Our whole concern is public safety," he said. "We're not going to have anybody get hurt."

[SteelCore]

...for -- the rest of the story (hat tip to P Harvey)

"The shooter had missed doorman Chad Ryan after firing about four shots at him in the 1301 Elm St. club's parking lot when the alleged gunman was himself hit twice by the unidentified patron who returned fire about 12:45 a.m., said club co-owner Dave Somers."
-->Like I said, someone had a bit too much to drink (thug misses at 6-8ft with FOUR SHOTS!?!?!) and someone had some range time (2shots, 2hits)

"...Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, and his companion...ran from the parking lot up Myrtle Street with an angry group of club patrons in pursuit."
-->Rockin! Aftr such poor mksmanship, they knew they'd be fine.;)

[Grasshopper]

I've been in there a few times in the past. "DIVE" I will not go in there, I don't need the stress of having to look over my sholder.
We say "Up town turn around, give a dog a bone"!:icon_biggrin: Yes, it is no surprise there was gunfire in there. I believe the armed patron was the bouncer. I'll ask my buddy who knows the owners of ther place.

[cetme]

crap like this makes me feel good about having a CCW and glad I'm out of the bouncer biz.

[tomoshenko]

...for -- the rest of the story (hat tip to P Harvey)

"The shooter had missed doorman Chad Ryan after firing about four shots at him in the 1301 Elm St. club's parking lot when the alleged gunman was himself hit twice by the unidentified patron who returned fire about 12:45 a.m., said club co-owner Dave Somers."
-->Like I said, someone had a bit too much to drink (thug misses at 6-8ft with FOUR SHOTS!?!?!) and someone had some range time (2shots, 2hits)

"...Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, and his companion...ran from the parking lot up Myrtle Street with an angry group of club patrons in pursuit."
-->Rockin! Aftr such poor mksmanship, they knew they'd be fine.;)
Another update, so far it does not appear that shooting patron was charged>


At least nine bullets were fired in a shootout Saturday morning at a downtown bar that ended with the gunman who allegedly instigated the shooting hospitalized after he was shot twice by another customer.

About 50 people were inside the Uptown Tavern, 1301 Elm St., at 12:45 a.m. Saturday when the shooting happened, sending customers diving to the floor for cover.

Police said Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, of 214 Bremer St., Apt. 2, fired a .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun about a half-dozen times at two bouncers and the assistant manager standing in a rear doorway.

Customer Kenneth Gage then pulled out his Kel Tec .380 semiautomatic handgun and fired it three times, hitting Encarnacion twice, according to court records.

Police did not release Gage's age or address. He told police he pulled out his gun and fired it after Encarnacion shot at the bouncers and at him.

Encarnacion and Adrian Brown, 32, of 46 Dover St., Apt. 8, were drinking in the upstairs lounge when one of them inappropriately touched a woman, and they were asked to leave, David Somers, who co-owns the bar, told the New Hampshire Sunday News.

According to court records, bouncer Erick Turner said Brown became confrontational as he was removing him from the bar and assistant manager Jeremy Tinker came to his aid, as did Chad Chapman, another bouncer.

As they were escorting the two Virgin Islands natives out of the bar, Brown allegedly punched Chapman in the face several times.

Chapman grabbed him by the neck and began walking him out the rear door, according to Det. Stacy Howe's affidavit. Then Chapman heard the "cocking" action of a semiautomatic handgun and turned to see Encarnacion pointing a black gun directly at him.

Chapman dove back into the bar to avoid being shot.

Witness Travis Smith heard two gunshots and told police everybody in the bar "hit the deck." Then he heard several other gunshots and saw two black men run out the back door.

Smith and his friends chased after them, catching up to the wounded Encarnacion, who fell to the ground at Myrtle Street. Smith stayed with him until police arrived.

Witness Andre Dupont was outside the bar when he saw two black men near the rear entrance yelling. One of them pulled a black gun from his waistband and fired it six or seven times in two separate bursts, Dupont said.

After the second volley of gunshots, Gage told police he pulled out his gun and fired it at Encarnacion and Brown. Gage told investigators he was uncertain if one or both of the men had guns and were firing them.

Just before the shooting, Gage told police, he saw two bouncers arguing with Brown and Encarnacion. He learned one of them was a boxer and decided to walk over near the bouncers in case they needed help.

In 1999, Adrian Brown trained at the Queen City Boxing Gym. He and his four brothers were all involved in boxing and he and older brother, Gilbert Brown, both captured New England Golden Gloves championships.

One of the bouncers was trying to get Brown and Encarnacion out the rear door when a fight broke out, Gage said, and one of them began shooting directly at the bouncers and at him.

Gage, who voluntarily surrendered his gun to police, told investigators he was amazed no one was hit.

Police recovered six .45-caliber casings and three spent .380-caliber casings from the area where Encarnacion was standing at the time of the shooting. They also recovered the .45-caliber handgun.

Two fresh bullet holes were in the wall of the 4-by-4-foot alcove where Chapman, Tinker and Turner were standing.

Encarnacion has been charged in the shooting and is being detained on $100,000 cash/surety bail. He is to return to court on April 26 for a probable cause hearing and again on June 25 for a trial.

Brown, who was stopped by police at the intersection of Pine and Orange streets, pleaded innocent in Manchester District Court to simple assault, accusing him of punching Chapman in the face.

He told the judge he didn't know why he was being charged with anything. "I heard gunshots and I ran," he said. "I'm innocent."

Brown has a 1 1/2-to-3-year deferred jail sentence pending, which stems from a cocaine-related conviction in January in Hillsborough County Superior Court, according to the prosecutor.

His bail is $2,000 cash/surety. He is to return to court on June 28.

[Grasshopper]

"Brown has a 1 1/2-to-3-year deferred jail sentence pending, which stems from a cocaine-related conviction in January in Hillsborough County Superior Court, according to the prosecutor."

Let me guess, the poolice placed it in the car at his arrest.:bull:

[tomoshenko]

crap like this makes me feel good about having a CCW and glad I'm out of the bouncer biz.
There is a local collection for Hero Ken Gage.

I know Ralph as a decent, honest man. I found this on Craigslist:



Please donate to the Ken Gage Hero's Reward Fund!


The Ken Gage Hero's Reward Fund
C/O: Ralph Demicco
Riley's Sport Shop
1575 Hooksett Road, Daniel Webster Highway
Hooksett, NH 03106

The owner of Riley's is assisting in the collection of donations to give to Ken as a reward for his heroism and for him to use these donations to purchase a replacement sidearm since investigators will be using his for awhile...

Thanks in advance for your donations!