Over 20 Dead at Va Tech

[jlpskydive]

What the hell is wrong with people??? Some nut job just shot and killed over 20 people on the Va Tech campus. Now the media is going to crucify the evil gun that did while we all know it was the evil A$$hole behind it. One student or Professor with a CCW could have ended this assault much quicker. This seems to be happening allot lately what has gotten into society that would lead even the craziest of nut jobs that this is a viable act???? Is it because they know it like sheep in a slaughter house and more than likely they are the only ones with guns??? My prayers go out to the families.....

[mrbgt]

just what the shooting world needed ......more bad press.my prayers go out to the families involved. why can't security on campus carry ??? these places are just too easy of targets

[Woodman in MO]

Isn't someone here a Va Tech Alumi? Terrible for the families.

[SteelCore]

I'm sending my level 2A armor with me daughter when she' college age...

[SteelCore]

Massacre at Virginia Tech: 25 Confirmed Dead
Fatalities Expected to Rise; Suspected Gunman Among the Dead

Apr. 16, 2007— At least 25 people are dead in what may be the biggest mass killing on a college campus in American history — and the death toll may rise.

Police at Virginia Tech said that the shootings happened at a dormitory and a classroom on opposite sides of the university campus in Blacksburg, Va.

Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said that one person was killed in the first shooting, which occurred just after 7 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a large dormitory. Flinchum said that at least 20 more people were killed in a later shooting at Norris Hall, an academic building.

The gunman, whose identity has not been released, is among the dead. Flinchum wouldn't say whether the shooter had killed himself.

ABC News has confirmed that there were two separate bomb threats last week at Virginia Tech that targeted engineering buildings. The first was directed at Torgersen Hall, while the second was directed at multiple engineering buildings. Students and staff were evacuated, and the university had offered a $5,000 reward for information into the threats.

Not all the students involved in the shootings are dead. Two local hospitals have reported treating 21 people.

University president Charles Steger said that police have not officially tied together the two shootings.

Steger described today's events as an incident of "tragic proportions" and said, "the university is shocked and horrified that this would befall us."

The campus is closed today and classed are canceled today and tomorrow. Families seeking to reunite with their children have been directed by the university to the Inn at Virginia Tech.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574

[Les48]

Yep, it’s got to be the fault of the evil gun. It couldn’t possible be the fault of the cowardly self centered sociopath that pulled the trigger. He's was probably one of them me first folks. Wish he had remembered that when he started pulling the trigger.

[jlpskydive]

Fox news is now reporting over 30 killed and 17 wounded. How could one guy do this alone??? What was he using?? Why didn't they rush him after he killed the first 20 or so?? At that point in my mind he's going to kill me unless I stop him and I am not about to go without some sort of fight.

[Enigma Nostra]

Very depressing that it happened, as well as depressing that we, the gun owning and appreciating communities, are going to likely get blamed for fcking wackjobs who do this bullshit.

-E

[97th Signalman]

This is a horrible tragedy for everyone... The victims, their families, the School, the students, and finally, honest gun owners who are not whack jobs. Someone earlier made the point the if there were a few CCW's on campus or if the campus security were armed, it might have been ended with far less tragic loss. My prayers are with the victims, their friends and families.

[WildBillCody]

Terrible day..

[Optimus Prime]

why can't security on campus carry ???

Come on, I've got a can of Mace... what else would I need? Seriously though, to do that you'd have to pretty much have a full out police department. We have students (like myself) who work part time as officers, and I don't think there's more than three of us on the department that would even know which end of a gun to point at them, let alone know how to handle the situation.
It's more of a question of how the local law enforcement agency let them do that much, just like any other form of school/workplace shooting... the campus security should have direct radio contact with the city police department, who should be able to handle it.
Hopefully something like this never happens while I'm at work, or ever at my campus really...

[Longhorn789]

What a sorry sicko.

Very sad..

Yup. More ammo for the anti-gunners..

[Rampager]

My prayers go out to the families...

Did they get the sick SOB?

[NavajoNPaleFace]

The news here in Arizona still isn't mentioning who or what the killer is/was.

If you look at the lay-out of the campus and the distance between the two shootings it's difficult to think that someone could, solely, go from one site to another with whatever they had to do the second mass shooting wihtout being sighted.

[tanstaafl4y]

Va Tech has a fully accreditid Police Department. They have aprox 10 officers on shift at any given time. There are also a handful of un-armed security guards.

I live 7 miles from Campus and am intimatly familiar with the area. It is very possible to walk from the 2 major crime scenes quickly and without drawing attention to yourself.

The PD has not released the type of weapon. Personally I am hoping that it is not Milsurp.

Although I work in a field where I will get information from the investigating officers, I have to be careful about what I share. I can say that at this time the State Crime Lab is in contact with all of the involved agancies to provide as much support as is needed.

[IMBLITZVT]

Yup the VT in IMBLITZVT is for Virginia Tech.

I lived for two years in the dorm across from AJ. I had classes in Norris.

There is some chance I will know some of the kids killed as lots of Engineers were in the paintball club that I ran.

Gun Control has killed again. No guns on VT campus. The three Paintball club officers were the only people on campus that were allowed to carry anything close to a real gun on campus. Then only VT owned paintball guns.

What can you say... but if someone had a gun... there might be a whole lot less killed!

Matt

[cetme]

In a word it isn't. Most security guards don't do anything but keep the sheeple in line and say I'm sorry I only work here. SO's given no liabilty coverage and if they act in a way that causes undue risk for the company.
Take proactive or agressive action and your hung out to dry. Never and I mean never count on security to bail you out. There many good people that work security but many more of the bugger eating type out there, I'm very greatful for the pro's out there but I'm also aware of the total prats that work out there too.

[hunter_la5]

the number is up to 32 killed and dozens more wounded...

[jlpskydive]

Fox news is now reporting two 9mm hand guns have been recovered. Here comes the Hi cap ban again.

[hunter_la5]

what blows my mind is how he was possibly able to kill that many people and wound so many others. this is just rediculous. does nobody fight back in a situation like this anymore? do people really just get backed into a corner and then accept their fate and let it happen? I'm not trying to insult those who have been killed, I am just truly boggled at how one man could possibly inflict so much damage. surely the man wouldve had to pause to reload several times during his rampage, and surely somebody, after realizing that they are about to die anyways, would fight back against their attacker, even if it means doing so unarmed.
until now I didn't think it was possible for anyone to do something like this with small arms, even against unarmed masses. even a mob of unarmed people should have been able to take this guy out.
32 people killed and God knows how many wounded by a single man is just so impossible for me to understand I guess.

[jlpskydive]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What he said X2

[tanstaafl4y]

Did you say a hi-cap ban or a Hi-Point ban?

He could of been just as destructive with only 10 rounders. There was no resistance so he could take all the time he needed to reload.

A college campus is a gun free crime zone, Based on news reports the suspect walked into classroom and open fire no warning/confrontation. In atleast one incident when the suspect attempted to re-enter a classroom the occupants barred the door even though the suspect was shooting blindly through the door.

[Rampager]

Anyone remember a number of years ago when a crazed gunman opened fire with a semi-auto rifle at the White house gates and a "good 'old boy" with cowboy hat (tourist) jumped his ass and knocked him down till the secret service got there?

That was the kind of guy needed today...he wasn't there.

To me this only shows the need for more CCW's.

I bet the anti's will jump all over this even though a sick SOB could just as easily kill 30 people on a crowded street with a car...it will be the evil's gun's fault though.

[SteelCore]

courtsy of another gun free zone:melt:

Bush's aide earlier said some stuff that was condolences, but also that thy support the 2nd...

Dang...they pulled the article. Now all I can find is liberal anti-gunner crap laced stroies.

[bullseye]

What i saw said a 9mm and a 22 pistol. Hell a beretta 92 with 3 mags and a ruger 22 with a couple of mags would easily do it. I saw Bush's comments, but can't seem to find them again also. The gunman was #32 confirmed, so he killed 31 and wounded quite a few. One CCW could have stopped it, maybe. Once someone is determined, and with a little planning, you can't stop them from doing something like this. They never plan on making it out, just taking a bunch with them. Terrible tradgedy, terrible. For us, stand fast, there is a shitstorm coming.

[SteelCore]

Just one person to feign compliance and put up a fight. Fookin sheep. If someonws gonna line me up with a buncha other execution style, there ain't gonna be an easy time for them. Ritual Execution is the only way that the body count was that high. otherwise it'd take skill or a lotta ammo, or both.

We'll know more soon, I'm sure.


Hey, lookon the bright side, Imus and Anna Nichole are outta the news pipes now!

[XO3319]

1 CCW in the right place at the right time could have taken care of this



but No one had a gun on my college campus in the 1980s-- just rent a cops with walkie talkies

[Player]

i really feel bad for those guys
this and a recent incident where this Baylor student accidentally killed himself with a .357 is gonna be HORRIBLE for my new marksman's club starting...

i hope admnistration will have a more conservative view on this...
SCHEISSER!!!

[cimmaronkid]

My prayers are with the families of those lost in this tragic shooting.

However, the university was very lax in the way they got the news out to the student population and the local police took their own sweet time arriving on the scene. Quite honestly, the university made the situation worse by not notifying people on the outdoor PA system.

As has been stated by several others, most people are sheep and will not try to defend themselves against violence no matter how severe. One armed officer responding in a timely manner, one CCW armed, one prof with a firearm may have lessened the death toll, but nothing was going to stop this maniac.

This is a nail in the coffin as the Demorats will ride this for all it is worth and push to remove handguns and EBR's from our hands and the American public will want this because they see it as protecting their children, forgetting that a gun can always be obtained illegally. Had one LEGAL firearm been available, this could have been lessened but the public won't see it that way.

[Optimus Prime]

One CCW wouldn't have made any difference, since schools are gun free zones... it ain't gonna do any good in the glove compartment. Maybe that's an option legislators need to look into...

And for what it's worth, this is by far my favorite part of what's been released so far...
"during the press conference Monday, police said they believe there was only one shooter.

Police also said there is no evidence that the two shootings at opposite ends of campus were related."
( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html )

That's just brilliant...

[rep30cal]

This is just awful and our prayers go out to the families of the victims.
I can't understand what drives people to do such things.

[Enigma Nostra]

Ironicly... Ive discussed this in several classes, and with two instructors (Both female) and will be discussing it with another after this class. The two that I have spoken two are both in the "And the damned guvment wont let *me* return fire" camp. Admittedly I am in the south, but still amusing. Ones pretty damned liberal overall too, parents hippies etc. I think that more females who have been around weapons, and not just had them vilified, see them as equalizers to males who might want to hurt them. .357 mag, womans best friend and all. But seriously, I agree, this will cause gun owners issues, when really its a shining example of why we need more good RESPONSIBLE gun owners roaming the streets, who are situationally aware.


A bloody shame.

May my lady guide and protect those who were harmed by this, both the principles of the assault and their families.

-E

[Teyvareb]

Let's look at this from a realistic perspective, or even better, all shootings in a realistic perspective.

"It's a gun free zone." Apparantly a sign isn't going to stop someone from bringing two pistols on campus.

"Rifles have to be semi-auto unless you have a class three licence." Tell that to the N.Hollywood shootout guys.

"We have to get EBR's off the streets!" Couldn't a bolt action do the same thing? Obviously it can from a clock tower.

"Well, maybe we should take everyone's gun then." Okay, so then only police and outlaws would have them. Yeah, that's even more safe, now I can't defend my home/person/kids/etc.

Nothing is going to change what happens, but people can't recycle the same crap statements over and over expecting things to change by themselves. I've got an idea, let's make it a gun free country. Take the guns from the citizens, cops, and even the military. We'll see how long that lasts.

If we as a people don't evolve with change, we're never going survive.

[bullseye]

what blows my mind is how he was possibly able to kill that many people and wound so many others. this is just rediculous. does nobody fight back in a situation like this anymore? do people really just get backed into a corner and then accept their fate and let it happen? I'm not trying to insult those who have been killed, I am just truly boggled at how one man could possibly inflict so much damage. surely the man wouldve had to pause to reload several times during his rampage, and surely somebody, after realizing that they are about to die anyways, would fight back against their attacker, even if it means doing so unarmed.
until now I didn't think it was possible for anyone to do something like this with small arms, even against unarmed masses. even a mob of unarmed people should have been able to take this guy out.
32 people killed and God knows how many wounded by a single man is just so impossible for me to understand I guess.

What you have to understand is that most people think the police will rescue them in time and they are also "trained" by the media to be passive and not confront your attacker. And think how long it takes to drop a mag and pop in a freah one, if you already have some loaded.

[nalioth]

Since when have Universities become 'gun free' zones? I was only aware that primary and high schools were affected by that ruling...

[tanstaafl4y]

I heard this on a NYC radio program last year 'Why does the 6'2" 200 lbs cop investicating after a rape carry a pistol while the 5'6" woman who got attacked is unarmed during the incident?"

naolith:
VT has a no weapon policy. I don't know if college/university are under the same umbrella as primary/secondary schools and churches. But the school much like a private business, shopping mall can post "no weapons" I'm too lazy to check the state code right now.

The schools delayed notification was because the initial event (7am homicide) appeared to be isolated and over. There was no indication that this was going to become a mass murder.

/A town dosen't close all of its streets because one vehicle accident was casued by ice! (Military bases excluded)

[Enigma Nostra]

In TN it is illegal by law (not only school policy) To carry onto any public or private school. That includes colleges.


Reading one persons report (who was in the room where alot were shot), the shooter peeked in a few times, then shot from the entrance, ducked out, then when (supposedly) heard them talking, ducked back in and shot again. Sounds like reloading time to me. I give them kudos for trying to block the door, even if he did shoot thru it, its a step in the right direction (Remove the threat from getting at you. Even If i do prefer the "Take the fucker out" method myself, I realise I wasnt there, and may not have been thinking like that at the time. Just sayin, he aint as much of a threat when hes dead at my feet.)

Again, what a fuckwad.

-E

[Optimus Prime]

It's pretty standard to have a no gun policy on just about any campus... regardless of the sickening lack of CCW in this state, there's still an armory down the hall from me right now that students who live on campus are required to keep all firearms and bows... yes, even bows.

[IMBLITZVT]

In VA its up to the VT trustees and president to determine if guns are allowed on campus.

If you want to take someone's second Amendment right you better damn well protect them. I would sue the crap out of VT if one of my kids was hurt.

People in that part of VA carry guns. There may not have been someone with a gun that could have stopped this BUT there could have been if they had not infringed on our 2nd amendment rights. The point is that those people had the right of self defense taken from them by the school and then the school did not prevent their murder. This is not just VT and goes for anywhere. I hope someone sues VT big time and wins!

[NavajoNPaleFace]

Fox news is now reporting two 9mm hand guns have been recovered. Here comes the Hi cap ban again.

They are reporting a 9MM and a .22 ....both hand guns.

Who knows.

When chaos happens so much bad info gets out or the press adds what they think will make people listen to them or read their articles.

At any rate it is NOT a great day for gun owners.

I am already seeing where the Brady Commision is saying they have previously given the state of Virginia a C- for lack of gun control. Watch the gun leeches jump on this host.

[hunter_la5]

and 30+ kills and dozens wounded with only handguns!?!?! that is just unheard of. either this guy was one hell of a good shot, or people just flat out werent doing much to stop this guy from killing them. handguns are more difficult to use effectively than most realize, especially in high stress situations. this is why you always hear of cops, CCW holders, and criminals alike expending clips full of ammo and hitting the target once or not at all, even at close ranges. the fact that this guy could do this much damage is just insane. it almost sounds like he must have been doing much of the killings at point blank range, which again begs teh question why wasnt he stopped by a mob of angry victims?

some reports have claimed that he was lining them up against a wall and executing the, one at a time. again, if this is true, if you know you are about to die, why just stand there and take it? have we really become that obedient of sheeple that when people are threatening our lives and the cops arent around we just lie there and take it?!?!?

this seems to be exactly how our society has developed. we count on the police to protect us, but the simple fact is that they can't. not because they arent doing their jobs, or because they arent doing enough, its just not possible. from the time the attack begins, to the time the police arrive (anywhere from 4-25 minutes, its a crap shoot), people have to be responsible for their own defense and the defense of those around them who can't (or won't) defend themselves. unfortunately our laws in this country are making this increasingly difficult. CCW are banned from universities in most if not all states, which is unfortunate. I doubt a CCW holder could have prevented this, but I know that it sure as hell could have stopped him sooner and minimized the damage.

again, I'm not trying to belittle the victims in any way, I'm just really confused.

If i ever wind up in that situation, I'm going down swinging....

[tanstaafl4y]

News reports are saying that the ATF has the firearms...

The ATF has traced the pistols to a gun store. They should be ivestigating the "first sale" today. I hope they can prove a straw purchase rather than an improper NICS check.

The news is also reporting the shooter was on a student Visa from China - I cannot not confirmed that information.

[M1 Tanker]

Can a foreign national on a student visa legally purchase a firearm? Also, can a foreign national on a student visa get a driver's license to work around the above?

This whole thing is horrible and sucks.

[Grasshopper]

Thanks Tansta, updates are good. The news is still keeping this kind of hush hush, I wonder who this person was. Was he militarily trained? Was he some important Chinese persons kid?
I still can't believe this mess.

[M1 Tanker]

Just released:

Seung Hui Cho, a permanent resident of the United States, a Korean national and a Virginia Tech student has been identified as the gunman in the shootings that left 33 people dead on the Virginia Tech campus Monday, ABC News has learned.

[jlpskydive]

South Korean just annouced on the Today show press conference. 9mm and .22. How can one man kill 32 people with two small caliber hand guns??????????

[tanstaafl4y]

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/113294

Fairly "accurate" timeline. Oldest news at the bottom.

[tanstaafl4y]

News sources indicate a Walthers P22 and Glock 9mm (no Model# yet) were used. The suspect has been identified as a resident alien (green card holder) and legal allowed to purchase a firearm. The news is also associating the suspect to the previous bomb threats.

[mrbgt]

boy the anti gunners are just spewwing all over ,can't watch news without seeing how awful guns are ,even prime minister's from worthless counrty's are chimming in . is there anyone with common sense allowed on tv . i did see mcain released a statement that he is still for the 2nd amendment .

[M1 Tanker]

They are also reporting the serial numbers were removed, but if he had a receipt for the Glock, I don't understand that.

[tanstaafl4y]

South Korean just annouced on the Today show press conference. 9mm and .22. How can one man kill 32 people with two small caliber hand guns??????????


What is it they say about the mafia and .22 revolvers, they don't leave shell casings and they aren't real loud.

OK so that dosen't apply to this incident but people will use whatever is at hand to perpertrate a violent act, wether it is a 22 pistol, $1100 Kimber .45, rusty tire iron, or cast iron skillet.

There are reports in the news that the shooter may have been planning this fow several weeks, While his firearms of chioce may be derided by 'gun snobs' it shows that the shooters motivation is more of a factor that the caliber.

* reports say most victims shot 3+ times, some were open door shoot randomly others were orderly back of the skull executions. This may just be media hype and witness mis-statments.

[tanstaafl4y]

They are also reporting the serial numbers were removed, but if he had a receipt for the Glock, I don't understand that.

Although the talking heads are already kicking around motive (trying to point blame at anything but the shooter), it will take time to perform a psycological autopsy to determine the killers state of mind and motives. A search warrant has been issued for the suspect room...

[jlpskydive]

Some of the things that were done here lead me to believe that he originally planed to come out of this alive. Obviously that changed somewhere probably in the two hours he had to think about the first two that he killed. Most people don't know that filing off serial numbers doesn't work because of how they stamp them. Now there are already copycats there's a bomb threat in Tx now at a school.

[wonderwolf]

Ohio is the same way with all public and private schools. No firearms on grounds at all. I would feel much safer if students (college) were allowed to carry. But not all students are 21 and not all students would take it responsibly. So I dont see it ever materializing. Best wishes to those at VT

[jlpskydive]

* reports say most victims shot 3+ times, some were open door shoot randomly others were orderly back of the skull executions. This may just be media hype and witness mis-statments.

I still can't believe that they were that compliant with their executioner. I'm not being disparaging here I just hope that if I'm ever in that situation I would not be. At some point don't you just say hey I'm already dead if I just sit here. It saved allot of people on 9-11 by a group fighting back.

[M1 Tanker]

I think they were all running/hiding/playing dead from the reports. I haven't seen anything about execution style since yesterday early in the reporting.

I did see that a hospitial employee said everyone they had treated had been shot 3 times.

[SteelCore]

“No one had a gun on my college campus in the 1980s-- just rent a cops with walkie talkies”I had a CCW, and carried in the late80’s early 90s on my campus—totally legal. Hel, they still had a gun club and a range in the co-rec! One of our faculty was the pres of the club, had an FFL, and got us great deals on firearms, and he carried every day, all the time. This was Purdue, and engineering school in W.Lafayette, IN. Dunno what the rules are now, but I know they still have the gun club.

I think firearms were illegal to have in dorms, but I lived off-campus by the time I had the CCW. And I had all sortsa Wushu, Bushi, and Okinawan 'weapons' for Martial arts, since the senseis/kenseis/sifus taught at the co-rec. (Being Armed is just second nature to me since a young age, not some thrill-seeking “ooh, I gotta weapon and I’m gonna flash it” impulse. In my training, the adversary should never see the weapon, since reactions change..concealment of a weapon until its use is a situational advangtage.)

“Couldn't a bolt action do the same thing? Obviously it can from a clock tower.”Yeah, this kid was an amateur compared to C Whitman…28th floor+marine training=ded folx. In one thing I heard on NPR last night driving home was an interview with a janitor. The guy was 3 doors away from him, shot 5 times with the 9, and missed all of them. This reinforces my earlier theory that 1)he was an amateur, and 2)most of the dead were killed execution style.

“most people think the police will rescue them in time and they are also "trained" by the media to be passive and not confront your attacker” True dat. Look at 9/11 hijacking…box cutters vs. a mass of ppl? Hey, your seat cushion is a floatation device, and it’ll damn sure stop a box cutter….or a jacket wrapped around your arm…ppl are trained to accept that the person with the knife/gun/bad attitude is in charge, and unstoppable. And I agree that media is the trainer in this one.
This week, the locals here are having some sort of “Impact of violence on TV on ppl” summit—I think the real prob with violence on TV izzat it teaches sheeple behavior by dramatizing violence. If there was more violence to oppose this violent kid, things woulda been diff.

“There may not have been someone with a gun that could have stopped this BUT there could have been if they had not infringed on our 2nd amendment rights.”SUPER BIG +1! If I were the NRA, I would use that as a counter-platform for this whole incident. Dumb law = dead kids, and these were some bright kids and teachers, killed by a punk. The world will be a poorer place without their contributions to our fine society.

“guy was one hell of a good shot, or people just flat out weren’t doing much to stop this guy from killing them”He pretty much executed them, I bet. Mebbe they just froze, like they were waiting for his demands, or were in total disbelief of the whole thing…
“been doing much of the killings at point blank range”
->Agreed.
“if you know you are about to die, why just stand there and take it?”
Question of the day.

“this seems to be exactly how our society has developed. we count on the police to protect us, but the simple fact is that they can't. not because they arent doing their jobs, or because they arent doing enough, its just not possible. from the time the attack begins, to the time the police arrive (anywhere from 4-25 minutes, its a crap shoot), people have to be responsible for their own defense”It comes down to what I like to call “comfy notions.” Ppl carry around many of them—ideas like “someone’s watching out for/over me” or “I’m in control of (insert situation)” or I know just how xyz works” ..Such thoughts placate the mind, then the sheeple can turn on the soundtrack, dream happy things, and float thru life. The majority of ppl have never really tasted fear, been in a near-death situation, or even had to test the bounds of their own capabilities. Most ppl in this country have never been to a place with a third world economy, or seen the underbelly of their own society (and most of the folks who have seen or felt these things may often wish they hadn’t—the truth can really hurt). 90+% of the ppl in this society or the world are sleepwalking, merely reacting to their environment, dreaming of the past or future, but not living in the _present_. You can see the vacuous stares of the population…they’re running down a shopping list in their mind, off in their own world, unaware...meatbots.

A True waking state can be compared to that slo-mo effect you feel when you’re in a traumatic accident or situation…where time seems to slow and you become hyperperceptive…that is true here and now waking state. (There are controlled and uncontrolled ways to learn to be awake/aware like this all the time, but you won’t like what you see—some enlightenments are not for everyone...the false shines come right off this rock) Being truly awake is to ride that expectant fear, be proactive and aware, know you only have influence on anything (best case secenario), you are the master of NADA, you'd best be prepared, don't get comfy, etc.

The whole country was truly awake for about 2days after 9/11—there was that palpable expectant fear, the ready for anything feel, everyone had it…the internal soundtracks stopped playing, people’s illusions were shattered, etc. After a week, most were lulled back asleep, becoming part of the big machine again, but some weren’t

Uh oh…I’ve said too much, now I have to kill meself ;)

“anti gunners are just spewwing all over”
 I know, dude. I’ve seen all sortsa rifles called ‘machineguns’ and all sortsa autoloaders called “automatics” and the ‘hi-capacity’ and how the ‘gun will fire’ or the ‘gun wil do or is capable of XYZ’ I need some pepto.

[Global Gunsmithing]

this is correct

[iocane]

The anti-gun crowd now have a excuse to ban 22's. I don't buy all the excuses that the school administration are giving. They had a shooting on campus, well wheres the shooter? The first thought should not be isolated incident, it should be "wheres the shooter?" Even if its a isolated incident that still leaves a killer on campus who could still shoot someone again. The whole many bomb threat thing means they had plenty of reason not to think it was a isolated incident. So what we really have is fools who care more about upholding image then safety. The school was probably pushing the whole disarm everyone so someone could get in good with the anti-gun crowd and get a promotion. People like that are just plain dangerous. Someones career is not more important then everyones lives.
One student called a school number during the shooting and asked what to do, he got told to go to class.

As for the killer it's bound to eventually get out that someone had plenty of warning and just ignored it. School shooters usually get caught before hand blowing up mail boxes etc. and somehow get off the hook with no charges.

I also doubt he was a loner. Probably more likely no one wants to admit to being his friend. Specially since he probably joked about commiting the crime before.

[tanstaafl4y]

<i>One of the agents told him that the Glock 19 that Markell’s shop sold Cho about five weeks ago was used in the mass shooting....Cho paid $571 for the gun and a box of 50 9mm bullets, Markell said. </i>

He overpaid...Oddly enough I was at that particular shop this afternoon to get a copy of a FFL for a rifle that I bought from a board member.

[SteelCore]

reminst be of the "Ahumanright.org" stuff that Oleg Volk puts together.

--ETA--

Just hear that two Purdue grads were theaches there, and are dead. I have the same alma mater.

Also hear of the heroic moves of one dead teacher, who held a door shut aso the gunman could not get back into the room. This guy survived concentration camps in Nazi Germany only to get killed by a nut. I guess there's a reason he live thur the earlier ordeal. A true Hero--a plain man of action.

[tanstaafl4y]

This is from the store that LEGALLY AND PROPERLY sold the Glock. This is my new local gunstore of choice. I really like the bit about banning silverware.

http://www.roanokefirearms.com/default.html





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To those of you who came to this site to send messages of encouragement -- we appreciate your concern, kindness, and goodwill. We are as troubled by this trajedy as much as anyone, except, of course, those who lost friends or loved ones, and your words of support mean a great deal to us.

To those of you who came here to send hateful emails -- you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided and inappropriate it may be. How many of you called the company who sold Timothy McVeigh the diesel fuel or fertilizer he used to make the bomb in Oklahoma City, or the company who rented him the Ryder truck? Should we outlaw diesel fuel and trucks? How many of you read about a drunk driver who crosses the center line and kills a family, then call the dealership who sold him the car? Should we outlaw automobiles? If we ban silverware, do you think there would be no more obesity?

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[okie shooter]

tanstaafl4y, On the okc bombing, I am from where the guys made the bombs, and there was no backlash like you are seeing here against the folks who sold stuff to the bombers, what so ever. Maybe it was because of the time frame that the stuff was bought vs the act. I know the gun dealer that sold McVeigh his handgun that he was carrying the day he was arrested in Perry OK too(he got stiffed on the gun because it was bought with a hot check, the fbi kept both the check and the gun). Thus it's when you cannot get to the perp you look for any one else in the chain to point at.

Did the folks in NewYork city, go after the gas station owner that sold the gallon or so of gas to Julio González who killed 87 folks, heck it wasnt even in a approved container. Its like going after the dealer that sold John Allen Muhammad the ar in the sniper shooting too(but that dealer did have some problems with his paperwork when the atf got caught up with them if I remember)

[tanstaafl4y]

Speaking of OKC 4/19/1995 was the day I graduated OSUT at Ft. Sill. at 10 AM I was in Class A's graduating by 10 PM I was at OKC directing traffic. A week later I was at Ft Hood signing into 1-82FAR 1CD

[okie shooter]

BTW, today is the 12th anniversary of the okc bombing. If you ever get to OKC, go and visit the site, it will move you.