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M1 Tanker
04-17-2007, 06:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/virginia_tech_gun_control

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
12 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - After the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record) cautioned Tuesday against a "rush to judgment" on stricter gun control. A leading House supporter of restrictions on firearms conceded passage of legislation would be difficult.


"I think we ought to be thinking about the families and the victims and not speculate about future legislative battles that might lie ahead," said Reid, a view expressed by other Democratic leaders the day after the shootings that left 33 dead on the campus of Virginia Tech.

Democrats traditionally have been in the forefront of efforts to pass gun control legislation, but there is a widespread perception among political strategists that the issue has been a loser in recent campaigns. It was notably absent from the agenda Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) unveiled earlier this year when the party took control of the House and Senate for the first time in more than a decade.

In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, a few Democrats renewed the call for gun control legislation, and more are expected to join them.

"I believe this will reignite the dormant effort to pass commonsense gun regulations in this nation," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), a California Democrat who was a leader in the failed drive to renew a ban on certain types of assault weapons that expired in 2004.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., was one of very few lawmakers to defer pushing for gun control in the early hours after the shootings. "There will be time to debate the steps needed to avert such tragedies," he said on Monday, "but today, our thoughts and prayers go to their families."

By coincidence, Kennedy and Rep. Xavier Becerra (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., are scheduled to attend a demonstration Friday at a firing range used by U.S. Capitol Police to draw attention to microstamping, a procedure by which serial numbers are placed on ammunition casings. The goal is to allow police and other investigators to quickly track ammunition to the gun that fired it.

The two lawmakers support legislation to require microstamping for all guns manufactured after 2009, and aides to both said they planned to go ahead with the demonstration.

Overall, though, said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., "It is a tough sell" to pass gun control legislation. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., held a brief meeting on the subject to discuss possible legislation, but there was no apparent eagerness by Reid, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., or her to predict Democrats would lead a drive to toughen existing laws.

One senior Democrat, Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record) of New York, said gun rights advocates are simply too influential to allow a tightening of gun control laws. "It's a regional thing, it's a cultural thing," Rangel said, arguing that even in areas where 85 percent of the people support more restrictions, the 15 percent minority is far more active and outspoken.

Less than a month ago, Pelosi and other Democratic leaders abruptly pulled legislation to give the District of Columbia voting representation in the House. Republicans were using the issue to try to force a vote on repeal of the capital's handgun ban, and Democrats feared it would pass.

Hoyer told reporters he thought and hoped the shootings at Virginia Tech would make it harder for Republicans to prevail when the voting rights bill returns to the House floor later this week.

He refused to be drawn into a discussion of the longer-term political consequences of the shooting, saying, "All I am saying is there will be a debate. I am not going to enter into the debate today."

Not all lawmakers were as reticent.

Sen. Larry Craig (news, bio, voting record), R-Idaho, one of Congress' most persistent advocates of gun rights, noted that the student who police say was the shooter at Virginia Tech had brought a weapon onto campus in violation of restrictions. He said he doubted a law could be passed that would protect "any of us when somebody who is mentally deranged decides to do this."

President Bush said in an interview with ABC News said he expects a debate on gun policy, but now is not the time.

"I think when a guy walks in and shoots 32 people it's going to cause there to be a lot of policy debate," he said. "Now is not the time to do the debate until we're actually certain about what happened. And after we help people get over their grieving. But yeah I think there's going to be a lot of discussion."

One law enforcement official has said that the gunman's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. The gunman held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, federal officials said. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony.

Democrats have grown less supportive of gun control legislation as a party in the past decade.

After the shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado, then-Vice President Al Gore cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate on legislation to reduce the availability of certain firearms. He and other gun control advocates claimed victory, but many strategists believe the vote hurt him in the 2000 presidential election.

Gun control tends to win favor among suburban voters, but it often stirs opposition in less heavily populated areas

So far this year, there has been little evidence that Democrats feel otherwise after winning control of the House by picking up seats last fall in parts of Indiana, Ohio, Texas, Arizona and elsewhere where hunting is popular.

Big Steve
04-17-2007, 07:07 PM
So you think that they might be OK with us keeping our guns as long as they get to keep their over-paid, under-worked, draw the same salary (with raises) until they die Jobs?
Steve

Rampager
04-17-2007, 07:16 PM
They are ok with letting us keep our guns as long as they want power...it's after they have power we need to worry.

weasel_master
04-17-2007, 07:16 PM
I hope so.

Heath_h49008
04-17-2007, 08:09 PM
Most of the oline polls have gone in our favor today...I think they are aware of what attacking the 2nd Amendment would do to the Republican/Libertarian base. They know they were elected when we punished the RINO Republicans last fall, and not becasue they have any mandate.

To put it simply...we care...we vote...and we fund our sports and our freedoms.

They fear us. (Mabey they aren't as stupid as they sound)

Tread_Head
04-17-2007, 08:41 PM
They fear us. (Mabey they aren't as stupid as they sound)

That's the fundamental reason behind the 2nd Amendment. The government should fear the power of the common citizen, not the other way around.

Enigma Nostra
04-17-2007, 11:35 PM
Regarding this, and a few other things ive heard/discussed with people in relations to THEIR wants (or lack there of), of gun control after this... Ive gotta say Im almost hopeful that there will be a honest and measured response and look at the situation, as opposed to the usual fearmongering and vilification (however the hell its spelled damnit!). I know... Im so young and naieve....

-E

cimmaronkid
04-18-2007, 12:11 AM
At this point, the Demorats are trying to stay away and distance themselves from ANYTHING that has to do with firearm legislation. Every one except Feinstein, that is. She is up to her usual routine to outlaw everything down to sling shots. They are still smarting over the defeats by the gun lobby and know that it can happen again, so they are just waiting until after the next election and then will come after everything.

bullseye
04-18-2007, 01:02 AM
This cought my eye and I don't like it. Someone needs their ass kicked.

By coincidence, Kennedy and Rep. Xavier Becerra D-Calif., are scheduled to attend a demonstration Friday at a firing range used by U.S. Capitol Police to draw attention to microstamping, a procedure by which serial numbers are placed on ammunition casings. The goal is to allow police and other investigators to quickly track ammunition to the gun that fired it.
The two lawmakers support legislation to require microstamping for all guns manufactured after 2009, and aides to both said they planned to go ahead with the demonstration.

I liked this, but we can do better than 15%.

One senior Democrat, Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, said gun rights advocates are simply too influential to allow a tightening of gun control laws. "It's a regional thing, it's a cultural thing," Rangel said, arguing that even in areas where 85 percent of the people support more restrictions, the 15 percent minority is far more active and outspoken.

Someone paid attention.

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, one of Congress' most persistent advocates of gun rights, noted that the student who police say was the shooter at Virginia Tech had brought a weapon onto campus in violation of restrictions. He said he doubted a law could be passed that would protect "any of us when somebody who is mentally deranged decides to do this."

Enigma Nostra
04-18-2007, 01:14 AM
Heres a question for ya... how would microstamping fit in with reloaders?

-E

M1 Tanker
04-18-2007, 08:12 AM
My guess is microstamping would outlaw the use of surplus or reloaded ammuniation. Not to mention we would be paying a premium....and smart criminals would learn quickly to police their brass to prevent being caught.

rustypirate
04-18-2007, 08:23 AM
What I want to know is how would microstamping tie the ammo to the gun any more than the current firing pin/chamber markings do now?

If the ammo is stamped and/or serialized at the factory, how could they track the owner of the ammo without requiring all purchases of ammo to go through a licensed dealer, and how much would THAT add to the cost?

Not to mention all of the good old surplus military and civilian ammo already on the shelves that is readily available?

Woodman in MO
04-18-2007, 08:45 AM
I thought that microstamping was some goofy idea, that when a round was fired, the pistol would somehow also stamp it with the pistol's serial number before ejecting it.

A goofy idea that will not work.

Darkwatch
04-18-2007, 10:19 AM
I was under the impression that the firing pin would do the stamping...but any "smart criminal" would just file off or replace the pin. Proving yet again those writting gun laws know little or nothing about gun.

okie shooter
04-18-2007, 10:21 AM
Guess if we microstamp our ammo, the stuff we have now will become more valueable right, highly sought after, untraceable ammo for all sorts of crimes. I imagine most criminals are not buying surplus or care about reloading. It would create a huge data base to track for the ammo companies for sure.

SteelCore
04-18-2007, 10:40 AM
:spew: ...and I don't mean to insult any 'alternatively lifestyled' ppl.

"gun rights advocates are simply too influential to allow a tightening of gun control laws"
>>Awwwright!

rustypirate
04-18-2007, 11:21 AM
If a BG uses a revolver, then as long as they don't reload they don't leave any brass behind.

But aside from that, how many guns were estimated in the US already, some 2 million?

How the HELL do they expect to trace the ammo used from one of THOSE?

Also, is it just me or did anyone else pick up on the comment about the VT shooter that the serial numbers on both handguns were removed....

These must have been black market guns to begin with, which just goes to prove that if a BG wants one, regardless of the law, they will get one.

Enigma Nostra
04-18-2007, 12:52 PM
Aright, gonna respond to a few things here....

1) Microstamping is done by the firing pin, and theres alot of issues with its feasability that have been brought up. google the wiki on it, some good points are made.

2) Rusty, they have the recepit of the guns purchase from the kids effects I believe, from a valid gunshop. My guess is that the perp filed them off himself, either because hes learned from movies hes supposed to just on general principle, or because he planned on getting away or such. My guess is twoards the former.

-E

SteelCore
04-18-2007, 01:13 PM
who knows, but I'm sure ti will cost us taxpayers plenty.

Rusty, I think 2mil is a bit low...try 200MILLION plus.....and growing, at least according to this rather dated (and dubiously accurate) NIJ replrt from the 90s.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

"In 1994, 44 million Americans owned 192 million firearms, 65 million of which were handguns. Although there were enough guns to have provided every U.S. adult with one, only 25 percent of adults actually owned firearms; 74 percent of gun owners possessed two or more."

iocane
04-18-2007, 02:49 PM
Would microstamping had made a bit of difference in the latest mass killing, no. There just pushing a idea they know doesn't work so they can cause us trouble.