Is there a hotline...

[jdowney]

to report sanctimonious jerks?

I got to work this week and there's a no "smoking within 20 feet" sign on the front door and another sticker with a phone # to report violations. I don't even smoke and that pisses me off! Here we are on top of a mountain, in a building with an average daily occupancy of maybe 4 persons, and they think they have to have a rule about no smoking near the entrances like its some office building with 50 people lighting up near the front? I can just hear some pinch faced pencil pushing twerp replying that its a state law and there are no exceptions!

Now I could see the logic of it if it said "no bullet casting within 20 feet" - I stunk up the whole place with flux smoke when I did that! :icon_biggrin::eek::icon_biggrin:

Similarly, our safety inspector told us the nitrogen vessel in the entry was a hazard too, as it was venting excess pressure - he was worried about "air exclusion". I suggested we should tell him at the next inspection that we had the air tested and in that area it was indeed 78% nitrogen! I'd probably get written up for that, bureaucracy has no sense of humor!

[Grasshopper]

Yes there is, Call your congress person and they'll do an investigation about Who is messing on their turf:nonono:
20 feet, why? Is there an ascetaline leak somewhere?

[jdowney]

20 feet, why? Is there an ascetaline leak somewhere?

The 20 feet is for pantywaists who can't stand to walk through a cloud of smoke from all the smokers hanging out near the doors of buildings where they can't smoke inside. No acetylene leak, but there is a grill right there for cooking burgers and steaks. I could hang up a bunch of signs that say "DANGER! Methane gas may be present!"

When I was a freshman at the U of A they actually had smoking lounges in the library. Worked really well - give the smokers an enclosed, ventilated room to smoke in, then they don't hang around out front. Must have made too much sense for the University though, those went by the wayside in 1990, IIRC.

[Planning]

i don't smoke, but most everyone in my family does. most people that smoke don't know that they smell of smoke. it gets on there clothes, in there hair, etc. bottom line is they stink.

if you want to smoke i don't mind. just don't do it where i ( or other non smokers) have to breath it, smell it, etc. non smokers have rights also. most public places are putting up places for employees/public to smoke, smokers just don't use them. it is to easy to stand outside an entrance and smoke. i do not want to walk thru the smoke. when you open the doors the A/C sucks the smoke and stink into the building.

if they are smoking in a non-smoking area, would i will turn them in? you bet i would. have i ever done it? yep! i have, will i do it again? yep! i will.

i don't want my grandkids breathing that crap either.

ps: i go to the VA every week and see the results of smoking for a life time. it was there choice, but i have never had one vet tell me they were glad they smoke there whole life. (even if they are still smokers.) it is still another choice that individules make in life. i just don't want to be included in there choice.

[okie shooter]

On the nitrogen leak, they are a problem though, I understand that air is mostly it, but by a leak in a cryo tank in a unvented space you will die and not even know it, as you drift off to sleep. It dont take much liquid to vaporize to totaly displace the air in a room. I was working with a 40000 lb tank, for a process that took less than a hundred lbs a day, but it was the tank we had to use, hate to see that one go amok and fill the room with n2 vapors.

On smoking, its your life, thus everyone will deal with it. My father used to tell us kids when we hacked in the car that it was good for us and would make us stronger. I guess its like the Cliff Claven story about brain cells and comparison to the buffalo, the weak brain cells die and only the strong survive. Hmmm works for the hurd of buffalo, but I think I do like my brain cells, and lung function too.

[jdowney]

On the nitrogen leak, they are a problem though, I understand that air is mostly it, but by a leak in a cryo tank in a unvented space you will die and not even know it, as you drift off to sleep. It dont take much liquid to vaporize to totaly displace the air in a room. I was working with a 40000 lb tank, for a process that took less than a hundred lbs a day, but it was the tank we had to use, hate to see that one go amok and fill the room with n2 vapors.

Yeah, I wouldn't bug the guy about the N2, except the gaps under the doors to the outside are big enough for mice to run through, so its a bit silly IMHO. He also bugs us about the positioning of tool rests on a bench grinder in the shop - yet misses some real safety problems like storing a metal hoist cage outside a dorm room window, blocking the means of egress in the event of a fire.

Like with the smoking thing, I've no problem when these rules are applied with common sense, its the rule for the sake of a rule and its universal and obtuse application that rubs me the wrong way.

[pgp888se]

i hate to chime in on this subject.i havent smoked for a few years, i refused to pay the extra tax they imposed.why should i be punished for smoking?
anyhow,i understand within a few feet of an entrance, but a library here has choose nowhere on the property.why? can smoke travel 100 feet across a parking lot and still be dangerous?another company is forcing employess not to smoke on the gorunds and was trying to force them not to smoke at home either.WHAT? just because you sign my paycheck i cant smoke in my own home?

remember "I robot" ....
"tell me this thing doesnt run on gas....gas explodes you know."
i really hate to see where we will be in 20 more years.

[bladeworks123]

Where I work we are required to wear monitors that continually check oxygen and LEL limits. I was amazed at the number of times and places where my monitor goes off indicating an oxygen content of less than the OSHA prescribed 19.5%. I use some equipment that uses nitrogen for its instrument gas, and just standing near it when the valves vent will set my monitor off and show 15 to 17% O2 momentarily. The truly amazing thing is that I commute about 65 miles to work, usually in cold weather with the windows rolled up and the heater set to recirc the air. Most of the commute is above 7,000 ft. If I have my monitor on in my truck, it goes off about 30 minutes into the trip showing that the oxygen is below 19.5%. It will get as low as 15% if I let it. This happens no matter what car I'm in unless I have the air conditioner/heater set to pulling outside air or if I have a window cracked open. Since we have started wearing these, many others have reported the same scenario with oxygen deficient atmospheres inside a car after being inside for more than twenty or so minutes, and less time if they have a car full of people. Makes you wonder....