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Rampager
04-26-2007, 08:03 PM
First off...don't get me wrong, I fully support law enforcement, but this was BS.

CNN is reporting the officers admitted to planting 3 bags of marijuana at her home after shooting her. That and she took a shot at them (no knock on her door in a crime infested neighborhood) with her gun while they were breaking down her door before they took 39 shots at her.
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ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- A police officer and a former officer pleaded guilty Thursday to manslaughter in the shooting death of a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid last fall. Another officer still faces charges in the woman's death.

Officer J.R. Smith told the judge Thursday that he regretted what had happened.

"I'm sorry," the 35-year-old said, his voice barely audible. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter, violation of oath, criminal solicitation, making false statements and perjury, which was based on untrue claims in a warrant.

Former Officer Gregg Junnier, 40, who retired from the Atlanta police force in January, pleaded guilty to manslaughter, violation of oath, criminal solicitation and making false statements. Both men are expected to face more than 10 years in prison.

The charges followed a November 21 "no-knock" drug raid on the home of Kathryn Johnston, 92. An informant had described buying drugs from a dealer there, police said. When the officers burst in without warning, Johnston fired at them, and they fired back, killing her.

Fulton County prosecutor Peter Johnson disclosed Thursday that the officers involved in Johnston's death fired 39 shots, striking her five or six times, including a fatal blow to the chest.

He said Johnston only fired once through her door and didn't hit any of the officers. That means the officers who were wounded likely were hit by their own colleagues, he said.

Junnier and Smith, who is on administrative leave, had been charged in an indictment unsealed earlier Thursday with felony murder, violation of oath by a public officer, criminal solicitation, burglary, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and making false statements.

The other officer, Arthur Tesler, also on administrative leave, was charged with violation of oath by a public officer, making false statements and false imprisonment under color of legal process. His attorney, William McKenney, said Tesler expects to go to trial.

Tesler, 40, is "very relieved" not to face murder charges, McKenney said, "but we're concerned about the three charges."

In Junnier's and Smith's cases, prosecutors asked the judge Thursday to withhold sentencing until after a hearing later Thursday in federal court where both are expected to enter pleas.

U.S. Attorney David Nahmias told The Associated Press that the recommended federal sentence for Junnier will be 10 years and one month in prison, and for Smith, 12 years, seven months. The state and federal sentences are expected to run concurrently.

Both men could have faced up to life in prison had they been convicted of murder.

The deadly drug raid had been set up after narcotics officers said an informant had claimed there was cocaine in the home.

When the plainclothes officers burst in without notice, police said Johnston fired at them and they fired back. No cocaine was found.

The case raised serious questions about no-knock warrants and whether the officers followed proper procedures.

Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington asked the FBI to lead a multi-agency investigation of the shootout. He also announced policy changes to require the department to drug-test its nearly 1,800 officers and mandate that top supervisors sign off on narcotics operations and no-knock warrants.

To get the warrant, officers told a magistrate judge that an undercover informant had told them Johnston's home had surveillance cameras monitored carefully by a drug dealer named "Sam."

After the shooting, a man claiming to be the informant told a television station that he never purchased drugs there, prompting Pennington to admit he was uncertain whether the suspected drug dealer actually existed.

The Rev. Markel Hutchins, a civil rights activist who serves as a spokesman for Johnston's family, said the family was satisfied with Thursday's developments.

"They have never sought vengeance. They have only sought justice," he said.

Hutchins said the family is considering civil action against the police department.

"I think what happened today makes it very clear that Ms. Johnston was violated, that her civil rights were violated," he said.

sources:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/26/atlanta.indictments.ap/index.html

fal_762x51
04-26-2007, 08:26 PM
With this and the myspace thing, IT HAS BEGUN!

MID
04-26-2007, 08:54 PM
I say fuc-em.

They should get it to the fullest extent.

How come they get special treatment? They should get hit harder to make and example out of them.

Ok so they got a tip form an informant ( drug user that got pinched and made a deal, but is till useing drugs) yea thats a good idea. If i was an informant, i would give a few good tips and then fuc them. Why would they think that a caught criminal would be an "honest" criminal.

k98k792
04-26-2007, 08:59 PM
Looks like the officers will be punished for their actions. As they should be.

MID
04-26-2007, 09:41 PM
No there not.
Not even close.

#1 manslauter would be ok. Cause it was an accident but it was negligent making it manslauter. They obviously did not investigate the lead as far as they should have. But as soon as they covered up they turned the accidental death into a criminal death. premeditative murder to be exact becuase they already had a plan, see the # 2.

#2 there should be conspiracy charges. Because why would they have weed in there possession unless they we planing on using it for something. Its not like a the paper boy collecting money for the paper he delivered. Where they serve warrant, after warreant, then come in and log all the evidence.

#3 there should be falsifying a legal document, charges.

#4 there should criminal tresspassing.

#5 criminal damage to property.

If you add all them up there should be well over the 10-12 years.

LorDiego
04-26-2007, 09:51 PM
#2 there should be conspiracy charges. Because why would they have weed in there possession unless they we planing on using it for something.

You are right... I hadnt even thought about that. I guess it means they were going to plant it either way, or just kept it to themselves to plant as they saw fit.

Bunch of A-holes. Electric Chair says I.

k98k792
04-26-2007, 10:18 PM
"No there not.
Not even close"
So you are saying that 10 years is not punishment? That is horse hockey. You may not feel it is enough, and I don't know that I completely disagree with you. But ,that is not a cakewalk for anybody,let alone a cop.

bullseye
04-26-2007, 10:26 PM
Depending on where they do the time, 10 years might be more than enough.

MicroPilot
04-26-2007, 10:44 PM
There is no mention in the article that the officers planted any evidence. Where did this come from?

I think the judge that issued the warrant is also partially to blame. Why would he sign off on a warrant that is backed soley by the word of an informant? There should have been additional evidence provided befor the judge signed that warrant. IMHO.


With this and the myspace thing, IT HAS BEGUN!

Huh? What Myspace thing, and what has begun?

jlpskydive
04-27-2007, 04:57 AM
Go back and read the first three lines of the thread. They admited planting the pot on her. The MySapce thing is a different thread about illegal search adn siezure.

okie shooter
04-27-2007, 09:14 AM
There are bad folks that give the hard working ones a bad face in the news always, these guys are going to get punished, if not as severely as some want though. Remember not all cops are like the ones in Alanta, nor are all gun owners psycho mass murders either.

okie shooter
04-27-2007, 09:21 AM
With this and the myspace thing, IT HAS BEGUN!On the my space thing, if you write that you have a grenade launcher(which the kid did, he didn't say flare launcher as cobay sold them as, in your my space account) you might raise the ire of law enforcement.

I doubt that any of us at first glance can see that the diameter of the launcher is 37 vs 40 mm, thus he will go free, but again dont go around bragging that you have a grenade launcher on line.

SteelCore
04-27-2007, 09:53 AM
...and they even shot their own...they were all hopped up on hype, iguess.

I'd charge them with murder...a good attourney might be able to push a 'premeditated murder' charge, since they showed up with guns drawn, drugs to plant (suggest they might take a 'kill 'em all' stance and let theplanted evidence sprak for itself), and ready to kill.

I knew the no-knock warrant would lead to problems, but apparently what it has done in ATL is to make the cops into death squads when they come thru a door...they were planning for the worst, and made it the worst possible.

I ask you--who were the thugs here?

Fooked up.

Schmitty
04-27-2007, 09:59 AM
Let me get this straight. Three cops (not in uniform) busted through her door unannounced in a dangerous neighborhood on the tip from a druggy and shot a 92 year old woman 39 times?! Then they plant evidence to save their pitiful behinds?

Make an example of them is right. It's officers like this that give the rest a bad reputation.

Longhorn789
04-27-2007, 04:01 PM
Looks like the officers will be punished for their actions. As they should be.

+10

MID
04-27-2007, 05:43 PM
So if a civilian goes and shoots a cop at his own home, and then plants some drugs. Then admits what he did, then you guys are all fine with only 10 years?

kpd007
04-27-2007, 07:30 PM
So if a civilian goes and shoots a cop at his own home, and then plants some drugs. Then admits what he did, then you guys are all fine with only 10 years?

If you put it that way...then NO! I am not fine with "10 Years". I am not OK with how the operation went in Atlanta. I have been to Atlanta. I know cops from Atlanta. It sucks. Plenty of cops get killed there every year too. It is a domestic warzone. I am glad this lady defended herself. It is too bad it cost her everything. BUT...there are plenty of good cops who do no-knocks and do them right, with SOLID information from solid informants and sources etc....

If (and it is a big if) these officers see ten years in prison, it will not be a cake walk.

Your scenario reflects premeditated murder with the intent of committing a crime by a civilian. Officers are held to a higher standard and operate with "privledge" given by society. They do not premeditate murder (well some do, but that is not the case here). They didn't sit around and say, "Let's go kill that 92 YOA bee-atch". However, they did do it wrong, and tried to cover it up. Shame on them. They are the ones that have to live with it.

No-knocks are not ideal, and I know why people hate them. But, dammit, some of these scum really suck ass. There are plenty of SWAT and Drug Enforcement coppers that are good guys. Please don't lump everyone in with these guys. Some really want to put asshole drug dealers behind bars. Really. It's not so much the users, but the pushers that we want.

KPD

k98k792
04-27-2007, 07:43 PM
Mid, you said, they are not being punished. I say they are.
Did they go there on a lark? Did they go there to commit a crime? No, it seems. So there was not premeditation. Did they fire first? If not then it was not assault. So it seems it was manslaughter. What are that states guide lines on manslaughter. Can you tell me? Was there plea bargining in exchange for a guilty plea? Do you know that?

This is the way our legal system works.

It is not up to me to decide the officers fate. Or you.
You don't like the occurrence or the outcome. I am with you on that.

Do you want those officers executed for this? If so then I have to say. I am not with you on that at all.

Also you have given us a hypothetical situation and ask us our opinion. Since I don't know the circumstance behind your scenario, I have to decline to play what if. Others may wish to however.


Kpd responded while I was writing my reply.

MID
04-27-2007, 09:39 PM
I have no problem with leos, in general.

K98
How can you see they didnt go there with the intent to commit A crime?
What was that weed then, a good luck charm?


I am done with this.

k98k792
04-27-2007, 09:48 PM
Someone has to prove that. How do you go about that?

MicroPilot
04-27-2007, 09:59 PM
Is it common practice for warrants to be issued based only on the word of an informant?

vair65
04-28-2007, 01:16 AM
Well the cops had pot and used it to cover up there screw up, that is known. Did they have the pot to cover there ass if they screwed up, maybe but we will never really know. What do I think about the pot, yea, they had it just for that reason. Here's the problem with what I think or anybody else thinks, it doesn't matter and that is a good thing for me, you and everyone else who has an opinion on it. We have a justice system that is in place that, although not perfect, worked for the people and these cops will be punished. If we go by the pitch fork and torches mentality and go by what we think went down and kill em now, we have truly screwed ourselves because oneday maybe it will be you being blamed for a crime that on the surface looks horrible but you really didn't do what everyone say's or thinks. You can go to court and defend yourself or be thrown to mob rule and, well your f--k--! That is the big difference between a democracy and a limited constitutional republic, the later is rule of law and democracy is 51% get's there way. If it were me, I would want the right to go to court, a real one, not some banana republic, the state has made up there mind crap. If you want to point your finger at other's that made mistakes and dish out your brand of justice, you better watch your ass and everything you do and also watch who you deal with, they may accuse you of a crime that you can't defend. If the people down in Atlanta feel that justice wasn't served, they can get rid of the prosecutor and judge, recall there ass. Remember the guy's that were tried and found Guilty in the Duke rape case in the media and the prosecutor said he had all sort's of evidence, the charges were all dropped and the prosecutor is looking at a recall and might be in for criminal charges. The system might not be perfect but it's better than anything else around the globe for now. The first three sentences in this prove my point why on the surface, you just can't judge and jury, opinions are great but don't work in this case or any other.