View Full Version : Bayo - real or replica
SSwee
04-28-2007, 08:20 PM
I found this in a trash pile some time ago and just put it on a back shelf in the shop. Anyone see anything like it or know something? It is very detailed for looking so crudely made. It has horn or hoof handle.
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Optimus Prime
04-28-2007, 08:47 PM
Probably somebody down the road took a bayonet for something and redid the handle and put the detail work into the metal on it... saw alot of that kind of stuff in Afghanistan.
SteelCore
04-30-2007, 10:14 AM
Is the only mark on the steel the 887 and the star?
Looks persian...is the dot at the end of the fuller also carved in, like relief? Anything written along the spine?
The brass fittings for the bbl look reworked, and hand decorated. Might be a ceremonial/parade bayo, thut the fancy handle and scabbard, with little or no finishig on the blade...
SSwee
04-30-2007, 08:26 PM
Is the only mark on the steel the 887 and the star?
Looks persian...is the dot at the end of the fuller also carved in, like relief? Anything written along the spine?
The brass fittings for the bbl look reworked, and hand decorated. Might be a ceremonial/parade bayo, thut the fancy handle and scabbard, with little or no finishig on the blade...
The 887 with 2 stars next to it and a third star at the end of the groove towards the point.
The spine and both sides of the blade next to the hilt have been ground. Looks like possibly to take markings off. I thought there were some oddities that didn't look like a replica but somethings look pretty crude. The fish head on one side of the handle and the tail on the other. I've seen the fish design on something else but damned if I can remember what. The piece between the horn/bone handle and the hilt is copper instead of brass like the rest of the parts that are not steel.
And the little guy in this pic I really hadn't noticed before. Is that suppose to be a big turban on his head or does he have a 60's/70's afro?
SteelCore
05-01-2007, 10:57 AM
...Lemme look into that...I think we're looking at some slavic work with persian influence....the arabs, indians, and persians love the fish symbol. The star makes me think fringes of russia, like the 'stans' regaion (Kazakhstan, etc), perhaps cossaks.
I can prolly find you a range of regions, and the thing can't be more than 120yrs old I bet.
--ETA---
Ok, I'm gonna have to hit the books on this one. I think it is post-Ottoman, maybe cossack, but prolly issued by an armory (thus the #s)...I think something was ground off near the hilt. The handle is water buffalo horn.
"the little guy in this pic"
--I don;t thionk that is a little guy, just some ornamentation that the pattern-matchin mind might see as a caricature.
Can you get a pic of the scabbard tip? Also are there any #s on the throat of the scabbard, or any handge button on the back?
The scabbard belongs with the blade, but compare the crude work of the handle, guard, and pommel to the fine chape at the throat of the scabbard...definitely added later to replace original (missing?) fittings.
Q: Is it full-tang construction in the handle? Can you see the metal of the blade extending all the way thru the hilt, out the top and bottom of the hilt?
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