shooting at ft hood

[Phirebug]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html

i don't even know what to say.
i know we've got a couple members stationed there, you guys all right?
wtf, over.

[Optimus Prime]

NPR said they possibly have one in custody as of about 10 minutes ago. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot indeed.

[Nazgul]

I've been past the post hundreds of times and have friends there. Hope they are all ok. Hopefully this will be over quickly and the families and soldiers can put their lives back together.

[drine]

Wow! If that's the same theatre from 1988, it holds a lot of people. Don't know which would be worse, disgruntled grunts or terrorists.

[Phirebug]

they updated the wounded from 12 to 20 to 30 in like ten minutes, and now it sounds like two separate attacks at the same time. this is just nuts.

[Arkane]

And we're still locked down. From what I can tell from the internet I guess that it's contained at this point, but the CG is erring on the side of caution until they are certian all is clear.

[Nazgul]

Take care Arkane! Be safe!

[Arkane]

From what I can gather at this point it's a matter of having to get 100% accountability before the installation reopens. With around 45k worth of soldiers and probably another 10k or so civilians on post that's gonna take some time - but better safe than sorry.

[TENFEATHERS]

Shooter was a Army Major also a Muslim + 2 suspects 11 dead 31 wounded

[CrossFire]

Dead shooter ID'd as Major Malik Nadal Hassan.
One of our "Own".:sparta:

[Patria Povo]

Shooter was a Psychiatrist! :eek:

[Grasshopper]

6:35 PM, nobody knows what the motive was?:kookaid:
Nope, no terrorist cell here, nope!
If it quacks like a duck, has flippers...armed when nobody is supposed to be armed and shoots my heros!
Man, I can't stop crying... I,m sobbing like a frkken little girl.
Our troops are unarmed in frt. Hood because there might be terror sympathisers in the ranks, so, what do we do? Well, we dissarm everyone but the police and the highly trained military personell that knows how to defend myself, you and themselves... NO, wait! They can't be trusted, so they DIED!
I hate polititions! I frikken hate em.
12 dead, I don't know them, do you?
36 wounded, what does that mean, wounded?
Didn't we have a thread about a year ago where the brass was tracking down the heros that have personal arms in their posession? Is this the consequences?
Can somebody find this thread so I can send it to Sen. Greg from NH?
Oh, by the way, was it a MP or a grunt that shot the bastard? I want to know.
Prayers sent!

[Patria Povo]

Ironically, the shooter was also a Virginia Tech graduate!

[Grasshopper]

Shooter was a Psychiatrist! :eek:

Um, in WW2, we would have called that a spy.
Now we give them, in the name of political correctness, the keys to the psychs of you guys, the troops.
Now, go to war for us now, we'll support you. Go ahead!!!
How many of you guys were killed because ofcrap like this?
Ya, I'm angry.

[Phirebug]

i was the original poster of that thread, grasshopper. i agree with you, but the way i handled the situation was wrong, and i just don't want to dig up that dead horse right now. there will be all the time in the world to debate the politics when the dust settles. right now let's just remember the fallen.

[WildBillCody]

This sucks, bad.. My heart goes out to everyone there, the dead, the wounded, the families and friends, dam, our guys and gals aren't even safe at home.

[Noskov]

A sad day indeed for our men and women serving our country. :(

[Grasshopper]

Thankyou for the reminder, I am a bit emotional.
I never served in the military, so I don't know how to handle this stuff and keep it to myself.
I have said a prayer for the fallen, and they aint horses as you know.



God, please comfort the familys of the murded and forgive the perpatraders of this heinous act, for they do not know what they do.
May your will be done Lord.
Amen.

[jonboy20]

God bless them all!

:America:

[Milsurp]

Rest in peace soldiers. :salute:

[CrossFire]

This shooter is exactly the same as the Taliban/Islamist dirtbags these troops were shipping out to fight.
Just because the hand pulling the trigger is wearing our uniform doesn't change a thing.
This POS is the same as the murder bombers who show up wearing Iraqi or Afghan Police or Army uniforms.
How do we start demanding these Troops be recognised not as crime victims but as combat casualties they are!

[Patria Povo]

This shooter is exactly the same as the Taliban/Islamist dirtbags these troops were shipping out to fight.
Just because the hand pulling the trigger is wearing our uniform doesn't change a thing.
This POS is the same as the murder bombers who show up wearing Iraqi or Afghan Police or Army uniforms.
How do we start demanding these Troops be recognised not as crime victims but as combat casualties they are!


God bless them all!

:America:

+ 1

[wwIIBuff]

sad day for our country

[Cavalryman]

The one shooter who has been identified apparently was born a Muslim but I think it's too early to determine whether that is what motivated the shooting. Given that there were three shooters in two different locations, it certainly is suspicious for a conspiracy of some sort.

[Patria Povo]

The one shooter who has been identified apparently was born a Muslim but I think it's too early to determine whether that is what motivated the shooting. Given that there were three shooters in two different locations, it certainly is suspicious for a conspiracy of some sort.

It's looking like a lone gunman, again:


Two other soldiers were taken into custody after the shooting, but Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, said they were released.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[pgp888se]

have been and will be keeping tabs on this as the night goes by.

be safe Arkane,
my thoughts go out to all those involved.

[Arkane]

Just got home after being released. It was a tense afternoon to say the least. Wanna know some crazy ass Karma type thing? I got a PPD shot (pre deployment TB screening) at the SRP site monday and was supposed to go back this afternoon o have it reviewed and checked off. I was going to wait and go right before they closed - which is definately not my style. I am one of the be there 10 minutes early types, which would have placed me in the middle of it.

Next Wednesday take an extra minute to remember those fine Troops whom were doing nothing more than applying the 5Rs. Here at Hood we feel a great loss, and this will leave some scars for some time. We'll hold memorials, eulogize them, and remember them always. But also the army family here is going to fight to get back to normal and do what the Army does - Keep rolling along.

[ace522]

The news is now saying that the shooter was taken ALIVE. So I bet we will know what happened before too long.

[Optimus Prime]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html?eref=rss_us

Yup. We may get some answers yet.

[Player]

I hope that ----- rots in leavenworth

[Patria Povo]

I hope that fucker rots in leavenworth

Does that mean the death penalty is off the table for this sort of thing?

[jdowney]

man oh man! Been driving all day, just caught this on the news. I don't think I'll ever be able to comprehend what's going through the head of someone who does this sort of thing. Tragic in so many ways.

[bladeworks123]

From the Uniform Code of Military Justice

918. ART. 118. MURDER

Any person subject to this chapter whom without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he- -

(1) has a premeditated design to kill;

(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;

(3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to others and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or

(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson;

is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.


and

852. ART. 52. NUMBER OF VOTES REQUIRED

(a) (1) No person may be convicted of an offense for which the death penalty is made mandatory by law, except by the concurrence of all the members of the court-martial present at the time the vote is taken.

(2) No person may be convicted of any other offense, except as provided in section 845(b) of this title (article 45(b)) or by concurrence of two-thirds of the members present at the time the vote is taken.

(b) (1) No person may be sentenced to suffer death, except by the concurrence of all the members of the court-martial present at the time the vote is taken and for an offense in this chapter expressly made punishable by death.

(2) No person may be sentenced by life imprisonment or to confinement for more than ten years, except by the concurrence of three-fourths of the members at the time the vote is taken.

(3) All other sentences shall be determined by the concurrence of two- thirds of the members at the time the vote is taken.

(c) All other questions to be decided by the members of a general or special court-martial shall be determined by a majority vote, but a determination to reconsider a finding of guilty or to reconsider a sentence, with a view toward decreasing it, may be made by any lesser vote which indicates that the reconsideration is not opposed by the number of votes required for that finding or sentence. A tie vote on a challenge disqualifies the member challenged. A tie vote on a motion for a finding of not guilty or on a motion relating to the question of the accused sanity. is a determination against the accused. A tie vote on any other question is a determination in favor of the accused.


and

856. ART. 56. MAXIMUM LIMITS

The punishment which a court-martial may direct for an offense may not exceed such limits as the President may prescribe for that offense.

[19Charlie_84]

This is one huge ******** storm. I just got home at 1215am, this mother fucker needs to be executed as soon as possible. Dont believe the rumors or anything the news puts out. I heard there were as many as 4 shooters in 3 locations. For full details wait until it comes from the CG's mouth, or an "official" report.

Kinda deja vu, my school was shot up same fashion on valentines day last year.

[bladeworks123]

That's pretty much the exact thing I told my wife this morning after the news first hit the media....I find it pretty hard to believe that many wounded by a single shooter with two pistols in that short a time frame. Unless they were MP5 etc. Too many variables right now and a very smart CG....I like the way he is handling himself.

[bladeworks123]

I would like to add that I'm relieved to hear that Arkane and 19 Charlie are OK. Wish it was that way for all....The victims and families will be in our thoughts and prayers..

[Optimus Prime]

What's needed is a good old fashioned public hanging... but I'm sure there will be some sort of insanity plea, especially from a psychologist. Not to mention I don't see the CinC having enough balls to follow through with something like that.

[Player]

What's needed is a good old fashioned public hanging... but I'm sure there will be some sort of insanity plea, especially from a psychologist. Not to mention I don't see the CinC having enough balls to follow through with something like that.

I would like to see him alone in a cell to think about what he did for a good 70 years before he dies and realizes that there are no virgins waiting for him.

[WildBillCody]

I'm sure 5 min unsupervised in leavenworth would take care of the problem.

[pgp888se]

I'm sure 5 min unsupervised in leavenworth would take care of the problem.

or maybe just 5 minutes unsupervised in a dark room on the base.
i could understand a normal person doing something like this to people they dont know, but for someone to do this to people you are supposed to trust your life with, and theirs to you, i just dont get it.

i also dont like how they are making it sound like a semiauto pistol is a crime to have.

[DAA1]

Truly saddend by this.
Will wait for the truth to come out, but I firmly believe in an eye for an eye, a very painful eye.
You folks at Ft Hood take care.

[Planning]

looks like there is already a lot of political stuff going on here. ( cover there A$$). (someone in command high up is going to have to retire over this.)

there seems to be a quick coverup of the facts that this guy is known trouble and had been following muslin (terrorist) ideas. (what is the truth?)

he was already know to make statements on I-line and the govt. had been aware of this for a while. (is this true?)

now it looks like they are wanting to make this guy into a soldier with only mental problems and not a muslin terrorist. ( it maybe, we will just have to see how it plays out.)

maybe as a nation we are still not ready for the truth. i am not sure we can handle the truth. ( whatever that is, i am not sure anymore)

i am glad everyone here that is stationed there is OK and along with there families.

ron

[tanstaafl4y]

i also dont like how they are making it sound like a semiauto pistol is a crime to have.

I haven't heard the specific reports you are referring to but most likely he was illeagly in posession of a firearm. Personally owned firearms are strictly regulated on a military base...keep in mind the rules may be different for officers vs enlisted and we don't know if his pistol was registered on base...even if it was it can only be transported from its authorized storage location to the hunt club (or off post) and back.

[franks71vw]

Dead shooter ID'd as Major Malik Nadal Hassan.
One of our "Own".:sparta:
Not one of our own! They have infiltrated everywhere and we have to just be politically correct whatever...


I hope that ------ rots in leavenworth NO thats to easy screw that Hang that ----- first by his balls so the 72 virgins can use them next by his head!!!
:offhead::


What's needed is a good old fashioned public hanging... but I'm sure there will be some sort of insanity plea, especially from a psychologist. Not to mention I don't see the CinC having enough balls to follow through with something like that.
+1 million. People need to know this ******** is not going to be tolerated. bad enough we have soldiers fighting and risking there lives abroad and now this A-hole thinks this is ok. Screw it I would say sue the family as well and tarnish his name in history.

:rantmeter:

[okie shooter]

I hope that ----- rots in leavenworth
Actually I hope, he gets the nice long needle and does the big sleep.


I would like to see him alone in a cell to think about what he did for a good 70 years before he dies and realizes that there are no virgins waiting for him.

He wont be in population there, Leavenworth ain't the place that my father was stationed in the MP brigade any more. The new DB is more like a nice gentle prison, no imposeing walls the old DB complex, no five winged building(the old DB building), with dark cell blocks, the pics I have seen are bright and shiney day rooms with spacious cells and such. If sentanced to life, he will have three squares a day, plenty of time to read his koran, a nice prayer rug to say is daily prayers and I imagine a hour alone in the yard daily.


On this sort of thing, I imagine the first volly is why didn't the military know one of their own could be a killer?(Interesting thought, he wasnt a direct commission officer, but ROTC and from one article also previous army enlistment) Then the next question is how can any one just go out and buy Gasp, a semi automatic high capicity pistol(as I read one of the accused weapons was).

I also hear that there maybe some question of there were deaths by friendly fire in this situation. Not sure how true that is though.

My prayers go out to those and their families directly effected by this incident.

Dang it makes it kinda wonder now, As I came to work to day thru the gate with private security guards holding shotguns at their chests. Not quite as strict as 9/12 plus but definatelly a change of posture again.

[19Charlie_84]

Whatever that punk bitch gets will be too good for him. Drawn and quartered would be ok I suppose. Almost 0900, time for the suck.

[okie shooter]

Just wondering.. Why let a Muslim/Islamic guy in the army if we are fighting an islamic country. I know it is freedom of religion but ill be damned if it saves soldiers lives, keep the SOB Muslim and Islamics out of the armed forces. I would love to have a shootout with the guy.. He wouldnt be so lucky and in such stable condition. :nonono::2pistol:

By that logic, when we fight christians, we shoudnt send christans there, like bosnia, where we were keeping the christans from killing the muslims.

The war on terror is not against any muslim country(we are not fighting any nation, we are searching for groups of terrorists). Thus to again label all christians as muslim haters or vesa versa is not gonna be right either.

Remember that the 442 rct, fought, were wounded and died for this nation, and were imprisoned for their race. The commander of the unit was rumored as wanting to make the dirty japs die for being Japaneee, thus they had huge casuality rates as he seemed to volenteer them for all sorts of missions. Just because they decended from folks that were from a nation that we were fighting does that make them less of americans, as their caskets were lower into graves or they are wheeled out of hospitals, missing arms and legs.

I will remind everyone here, that the largest hate crime in this nation before 9/11 was commited by two guys who claimed to be christian and doing it for god and country some what, just the way they saw it. Lets hope that this gentleman was a isolated example. If not I imagine most folks on death row claim to be nice christians before they die(look at Carla faye Tucker), would that still say that then christians are to be all labled as killers on death row.

Remember besides the former Soviet Union/Russia now, the worst spys against this nation nave tended to be Jewish supporters of Israel, and I dont hear everyone lineing up to say take them out of the military, defense postitions and security postings.

[Phirebug]

19 Charlie - have they released any names yet?

[pgp888se]

in my mind wondering from hearing bits of news about this, i think Planning may be pretty close.

i feel that with all that was going on BEFORE the shootings, someone at the base knew he had issues, and COULD posed a threat somehow, but done nothing.


i dont want to get into too much discussion about a punishment or politics
but i will say, justice wont be served properly unless it is handled by those whos trust he betrayed.the men and women on that base trusted him as a brother in arms, and he betrayed that trust.

[mojo00]

The chickensh-- gun man is not dead.....He probably will survive, with the best medical care in the world......Then we can HANG THE BASTARD!!!! after the court marshall! Fox News reported he used only one handgun although he had two in his possession, the primary handgun was an FN 5.7.

[javiernix]

Rest in peace for the fallen, a quick recovery for the injured and stiff punishment to the terrorist.

My sympathy and condolences to Family, Friends and Comrades.

And much respect to the police officer who stopped this bastard.

Javiernix

:America:

[7.62guy]

our prayers go out to the families of the fallen and the injured.:salute:

[19Charlie_84]

Most of post was closed today, they had the ramp ceremony at 1430. I could not attend as we were in recovery from a field problem. There was a moment of silence at 1335 also. Some names and pictures of victims have been released on yahoo, as the FBI does more research details will be released as with all tragedies like this. Keep the families in your thoughts and prayers.

[Planning]

Most of post was closed today, they had the ramp ceremony at 1430. I could not attend as we were in recovery from a field problem. There was a moment of silence at 1335 also. Some names and pictures of victims have been released on yahoo, as the FBI does more research details will be released as with all tragedies like this. Keep the families in your thoughts and prayers.

charlie, thank you for the updates. this is really so sad.

ron

[bladeworks123]

By that logic, when we fight christians, we shoudnt send christans there, like bosnia, where we were keeping the christans from killing the muslims.

The war on terror is not against any muslim country(we are not fighting any nation, we are searching for groups of terrorists). Thus to again label all christians as muslim haters or vesa versa is not gonna be right either.

(look at Carla faye Tucker), would that still say that then christians are to be all labled as killers on death row.

and I dont hear everyone lineing up to say take them out of the military, defense postitions and security postings.

I respect your points...however I believe there is a fundemental difference here....Although we have no intentions of this being a war against Muslim fundamentalists, or extremists, we are best served not ignore the fact that although we don't see it that way, they do. In their minds and actions this is a Holy War, waged against not only Christians and the Great Satan the United States, but also against Jews, Hindus, Hare Krishnas, atheists and even other Muslims who don't share in their fundamentalist view of the Islamic faith. They have chosen to see this as a Holy war and we should not overlook that. Their choice, not ours. Having said that, we need to guard our military and government against infiltration by those who might be sympathetic to their cause. Unfortunately it is not as easy to segregate those minds as it was to segregate past enemies like the Japanese, Germans etc. I have license to say this because I spent eight years of my life chasing this particular enemy around the globe. I know first hand that they have a firm belief that this is a Holy War or Jihad, they think nothing more about killing infidels than you or I do about what color socks we put on in the morning. Their vocabulary does not include terms like innocent victims or collateral damage. They kill anyone who is not a fundamentalist muslim, and if they loose some of their own in the process,,,,oh well, more martyrs. They revere those Islamic innocents as heros of their faith. Just like the kids and women they send in with bombs strapped to their backs. Had this jackass died yesterday he would have been idolized as a hero. Now that he is going to prison, his new job will be to spread the word in prison and convert as many as he can to their beliefs to garner more troops in the field. I say they need another martyr worse..... Someone needs to go visit him and stand on his ventilator tube. It is unfortunate that there are many Islamic believers in this world, many of them living in free republics like the U.S. who don't think this way. These facts set the stage for this being their war, being fought by their rules and we must take every action to protect ourselves, our military and our citizens. If we hurt the feelings of an entire faith by refusing to allow them acess to our military and other government institutions....they will get over it, and will still be alive when they do. We take steps to prevent "Christian" kooks and conciencious objectors from serving in the military, we should make sure these kooks stay clear also. This swine jackass should have been on his way to Leavenworth the first time something anti US or Anti war fell out of his pig shaped pie hole.:rantmeter:

[k98k792]

So all the Muslims serving honorably in the U.S.Armed Forces (over 2,000) should be tarred by this extremists brush? I bet he would like that a lot. But why stop there? Maybe we could put all the Muslims in internment camps.
You know like we did the Japanese. It didn't hurt them did it? I mean they got over it didn't they?

Come on,don't let your anger overwhelm your sense of justice.
Our flag stand for something,and you know it's not that. :America:

[iocane]

The nuts position was "a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry"
Okay pretty obvious that when someone who is suppossed to offer psychiatric advise is the crazy nut opening fire on everyone there is a serious problem. Well at least with the psychiatry system. Plus base security doesn't look to good. The nut was apparently open about his ideas so its not a case of sniffing out those who secretly want us all dead. This is all so depressing.

[Patria Povo]

So all the Muslims serving honorably in the U.S.Armed Forces (over 2,000) should be tarred by this extremists brush

I did some Googling yesterday after this topic came-up, but all I could find is this, which is 3 years old and prior to the recruiting drive:


The US armed services don't recruit by religion, but the Pentagon estimates at least 3,386 Muslims were serving in the US military as of September. No precise figures are available because, while US service members are surveyed on their religion, they aren't required to disclose it. Advocacy groups put the number at 15,000, saying many are reluctant to reveal their religion. African-Americans represent the largest share of Muslims in uniform, they add.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1227/p03s01-usmi.html

[bladeworks123]

So all the Muslims serving honorably in the U.S.Armed Forces (over 2,000) should be tarred by this extremists brush? I bet he would like that a lot. But why stop there? Maybe we could put all the Muslims in internment camps.
You know like we did the Japanese. It didn't hurt them did it? I mean they got over it didn't they?

Come on,don't let your anger overwhelm your sense of justice.
Our flag stand for something,and you know it's not that. :America:

No, absolutely not, that is not what I am saying, My point is exactly that not all Muslims feel this way, There are two types of Muslim believers, let's not confuse the two.... WE need to do a better job of figuring out which ones are which, and put the fundamentalist extremists out on their perverbial asses. This guy was allowed to remain in the US Army after publicly and repeatedly voicing his disapproval of the stance the US has taken against Islamic faith followers who have declared war against us,,,, they took the first swing and called it Jihad. HE made that HIS war, not the war of those peace loving Islamic followers. There are two very distinct Islamic factions,,, ask Salman Rushdie or Danny Pearl, they both found the difference. German Americans and Japanese Americans both served in the US forces, and many heroicly I might add. But we had a system of determining who could be trusted and who couldn't, back in the day before we were so damned politically correct. Justice my friend is the standard or boundary of right which enables us to render to every citizen his just due....This guys just due is to share in the fate of his victims, and all fundamentalist sympathizers like him need to be kept out of the military, they have declared themselves our enemies. Our flag also stands for all the brothers I have lost to this senseless killing in the name of Allah as well as all those who gave their lives at the hands of anyone who has declared us their enemy, and those who aid, support or symapthize with them. I in no way inferred that "All Muslims" should be interred or barred from serving their country.

[k98k792]

No, absolutely not, that is not what I am saying, My point is exactly that not all Muslims feel this way, There are two types of Muslim believers, let's not confuse the two.... WE need to do a better job of figuring out which ones are which, and put the fundamentalist extremists out on their perverbial asses. This guy was allowed to remain in the US Army after publicly and repeatedly voicing his disapproval of the stance the US has taken against Islamic faith followers who have declared war against us,,,, they took the first swing and called it Jihad. HE made that HIS war, not the war of those peace loving Islamic followers. There are two very distinct Islamic factions,,, ask Salman Rushdie or Danny Pearl, they both found the difference. German Americans and Japanese Americans both served in the US forces, and many heroicly I might add. But we had a system of determining who could be trusted and who couldn't, back in the day before we were so damned politically correct. Justice my friend is the standard or boundary of right which enables us to render to every citizen his just due....This guys just due is to share in the fate of his victims, and all fundamentalist sympathizers like him need to be kept out of the military, they have declared themselves our enemies. Our flag also stands for all the brothers I have lost to this senseless killing in the name of Allah as well as all those who gave their lives at the hands of anyone who has delcared us their enemy, and those who aid, support or symapthize with them. I in no way inferred that "All Muslims" should be interred or barred from serving their country.

Thanks. I am glad we are on the same page. How bout some coffee?

[bladeworks123]

Thanks. I am glad we are on the same page. How bout some coffee?

Tastes a little like blue enamel, but yeah I take mine straight :thumbup::icon_biggrin:

[Patria Povo]

The other thing most media commentators seem to be forgetting is that his actions yesterday betrayed TWO oaths he took. The one as a US serviceman to his country and comrades and the other as an MD - the hippocratic oath to "do no harm".

[cz777]

The one shooter who has been identified apparently was born a Muslim but I think it's too early to determine whether that is what motivated the shooting. Given that there were three shooters in two different locations, it certainly is suspicious for a conspiracy of some sort.

back in the early 1970's I was going to private school in the shadow of Monticello ,we where reading about Tom Jefferson's dealing with Barbary coast pirates and with the leaders of the Muslims declared war on America ......Islam wants the world for its own without Resistance...a quote of star trek - Resistance is futile ! when a nation turns on it's own and denies it's own founding culture ,this is a sign of the death pangs of a nation .............this was wrote without hate nor malice but a straight hard look at the events of history and today,i know some people cant live with real world so please look in the mirror and learn what the real world is about!

[Cavalryman]

The nuts position was "a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry"
Okay pretty obvious that when someone who is suppossed to offer psychiatric advise is the crazy nut opening fire on everyone there is a serious problem. Well at least with the psychiatry system. Plus base security doesn't look to good. The nut was apparently open about his ideas so its not a case of sniffing out those who secretly want us all dead. This is all so depressing.

Let's not allow this horrific incident to tarnish all mental health professionals. We save lives every day. Treating depression and PTSD is hard, mostly thankless, and widely misunderstood. Sure, occasionally a crazy makes it into the field, but really...when is the last time you heard of a psychiatrist doing something like this?

[DAA1]

I am going to step in this one more time probably up to my chin.
In the military we have all kinds of folks, we are for all intent a mirror of society, so yes we get a few bad apples. We also get a lot of good folks too.
When things like this happen they can divide us and try and make us question ourselves.

The enemy is everywhere, but all that means is we ALL have to remain vigilant and aware. It does not mean we have to condem others, but it does mean we need to keep our eyes open.

I don't care what your religion is as long as your practice of it does not interfere with my rights. When a person or group of people chose to make their religion something that impacts me or others in a negative manner, then it is an issue.

Now this one I am sure will not endear me to many folks, but look at it for what it is. Religion in some cases is a tool to control the behavior of others. That control takes many forms and some are corrupt.

Is that the case with some practicioners of islam? I firmly believe it to be. But you can say that about a lot of religions.

Now you want to hear the kicker in all of this? What if in the end we are all worshiping the same God? Would not that be be the biggiest laugh?

It is not the religion that is bad it is certain folks who practice it.

Blast me if you must, but you might find one grain of truth in all this to explain why some things happen.

I don't practice any one set of religious beliefs, I don't attend church, but I have, and I don't doubt that there is not a higher power. I do doubt the folks who preach it and try and tell us what to believe in. I believe in the soul, and it is the soul that pray for those who are gone.

[drine]

Now you want to hear the kicker in all of this? What if in the end we are all worshiping the same God? Would not that be be the biggiest laugh?

It is not the religion that is bad it is certain folks who practice it.

Blast me if you must, but you might find one grain of truth in all this to explain why some things happen.

I don't practice any one set of religious beliefs, I don't attend church, but I have, and I don't doubt that there is not a higher power. I do doubt the folks who preach it and try and tell us what to believe in. I believe in the soul, and it is the soul that pray for those who are gone.

As I learned in Old Testament Religion class at a small junior college, Abraham was the father of Issac and Ishmael. Issac's line founded Judaism/Christianity and Ishmael's lineage begat Islam. So you are right on that account. Same God!
A little off topic but worthy of mention, Iranians/Persians as a race(DNA) have no close kin in the Muslim world. Their closest kin are Israelites!!

[CrossFire]

Not one of our own! They have infiltrated everywhere and we have to just be politically correct whatever...


I guess I didn't use a big enough sarcasism flag....
Sorry you missed it.

I switched on CNN and caught someone who seems to be a CAIR spokesman or lawyer for Hasan starting talk about "Friendly Fire Damage" from the police and MP personel firing at the Islamist Terrorist as he carried out the attack.
BTW, I refuse to acknowlege this as ANYTHING other than a terrorist attack by a Muslim extremist.
Do not let Libtards and Media frame this as a criminal act or a single whack-job acting on impulse.
Al Zawhahiri (sp?) issued the call for true followers of Islam to act directly in attacking the enemies of Islam everywhere, especially in their homes. The tape was well covered by the Media just a few months ago as proof that Al Qaeda was switching from large mass attacks to impossible to track Lone Wolf attacks.
Hasan was wearing traditional Arab garb off duty for months. He followed all the steps required of jihadis in the days before the attack. He made public comments attacking American political and military policy in both public and private forums.
He gave away his personal property and Korans as acts of charity and devotion.
Let's not let them cover this up in the name of Diversity and multi-culturalism.
We have to make them discuss it on OUR terms.
Make this a part of fighting back.

[bladeworks123]

I am going to step in this one more time probably up to my chin.
In the military we have all kinds of folks, we are for all intent a mirror of society, so yes we get a few bad apples. We also get a lot of good folks too.
When things like this happen they can divide us and try and make us question ourselves........


Just for what it's worth,, I want to be crystal clear and be sure no one has gotten the impression that I think the US Army is at fault here...DAA1 is absoultely correct. In fact the fundamentalists have deliberately been engaged in infiltrating our government agencies since the early 1970's and maybe even longer. They are in every branch of the service and in every branch of government where they can have access to intel and defraud money that goes to Afghan, Arab and Pakistani bank accounts. In 1986, they defrauded the State of Colorado Workmans Comp, Welfare and ADC for nearly 4 million dollars that was traced to a bank account in Lahore Pakistan belonging to the Sheik Mubarek Ali Hasmi Jhilani, the murderer of Danny Pearl. The Judge in that case issued all the defendants who were arrested a PR bond, based on their attorneys plea that it was all an act of religious bias. Out of twelve defendants, only two were prosecuted, the remaining ten left for Pakistan, failed to appear in court, and have never been prosecuted. All because our government officials, despite 9-11 and over three hundred other acts of terrorism and killings on US soil in the past twenty years, have still not figured out that they need to change the way they think about religious liberty when it comes to protecting us from those who practice the purification of their religion through acts of force and violence, murder and terroism, to eradicate the rest of us. Too many times, acts commited by those like this swine at Ft. Hood, are catagorized as single incidents of a lone kook... They are not, whether it was a conspiracy by a group or a single act of one of the "true believers" that is what they believe is the right thing to do. They value their own beliefs more than they value their own lives. My god, if we could only transfer that level of dedication and devotion into the minds of those who stand for freedom and peace........And again, not all Muslims believe this way
The biggest majority of Americans have a hard time believing that these guys are as fanatic about it as they truly are. We have all been fortunate enough to grow up in a society sheltered from the realities that there are these kinds of people out there that have absolutely no regard for human life or values of Freedom. We read about it in history books, we see it once in awhile on TV, but the reality of it doesn't sink in.
Here is a picture of posters taken in a grade school classroom in Al Nassariah, during the push to Baghdad....I know the photographer and the Marine in this picture,,,this is not U.S. propoganda... and it shows how early they are taught, the child that made this believes as much in what he/she painted here as your children do about painting a picture of a puppy or Santa Clause. They believe what they do is right just as much as you and I believe that a clear sky is supposed to be blue. And this is not new, they have been taught this way for thousands of years.... I appologize for the lengthy post....I dedicated eight years of my life in this realm and feel it is my duty now to share, and I do whenever I get the chance....maybe someone will listen and just one life might be spared.....God's speed to all our troops!!!

[Grasshopper]

When Mohamid was trying to get the middle east together, he tried to get all of the people to worship 1 God, he chose Alla, the Moon Stone (a big chunk of Obcidian I guess) as the 1 of the 365 Gods that the people believed in.
I still can't comprehend shooting people for a moon stone, by the way, the moon is the "Bringer Of Light" at night, translate it into Latin....
I hope the people get the rite idea about "radicle" Islam.
A sad week indeed.
All you who serve, carry SOMETHING to defend yourselves with, don't die for lack of shooting back. Use the "protecting government property" excuse.

[SteelCore]

This is a major bummer, folks. I cannot properly express my anger at this situation without getting in trouble, so I'll keep it brief.

I may be wrong, but it is yet another battle in WWIII, which started on september 11, 2001. I can see it as nothing else.

Well wishes for the families affected, kudos to the copchick who plugged him.

Daniel Greenfield's take on this situation (which is close to my reaction):
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16641
and
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16661