Newbie CETME Question

[seliwmas]

Help!!
I am trying to replace my black plastic buttstock with wood. How do I remove the plastic stock from the metal mounting assembly?

[robocop10mm]

Remove butt stock from unloaded weapon. Remove screw (s) from buffer. Remove butt plate. With long screwdriver remove screw from inside top of stock at back of buffer. Remove buffer. Gently tap stock out of forward metal portion.

If you firmly hold the metal forward portion of stock and tap up and down on butt stock it will rock out.

[M1 Tanker]

Lets start over.

You want to replace your Century Black furniture with original Cetme wood?

First, the black forearm and stock are both US made parts and are on the rifle for compliance issues. To legally add imported wood, you must add 2 new US parts to replace the stocks. To understand the law, read this:

922r compliance and the CETME/HK91 (http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=267)

That hardest part is removing the buttplate without marring it. I stick it between an open door and door jam and the pull the door on it. Then pull down and it'll come apart.

[seliwmas]

Thanks for the info. I understand that this is the law. So I guess if I want the nice wood furniture, I have to find something else to swap out.
This maybe a stupid question, but how does ATF enforce these laws? Do they visit the local shooting ranges, come to your house and check out your gun safe? Whats the big deal with the parts issue? Just asking!!

[Otis61]

I'm just a nube here too, but I don't think that they have a regular routine for checking. The thing is that we don;t want to give them a reason for checking, so we are very careful to make sure we are always in compliane. ALWAYS... We don't like to talk about how, or why, or what if. We just do it, and there by avoid any posible problems.

[Otis61]

It's not too hard to stay in compliance. there are lts of options especialy for AKs.
Even CETMEs aren't hard.

[LostInTexas]

One option is to find some Thermold mags which give you three parts (follower, floorplate, and mag body) since you are only swapping two parts you SHOULD be good to go. I would still check the rifle and count for myself. Would you trust your freedom to Century?!?!?! Another option in US wood. There are some woodworkers on various forums that do custom work. You could send your stock set as a pattern and they could make a set to your specs. Not cheap, but custom and compliant.

Good luck!

[okie shooter]

Compliance isnt really enforced, even at gun shows, as how many yugo sks's have folding stocks with pistol grips, or the tapco stock. These make any yugo for sure and most other imported europian sks rifles with bayonets in violation of their c&r status.

I just sleep better at night with my rifle in compliance. Its too easy, and loseing the rifle is the mininum you would face if caught.

As lostintexas the easy way would be to get thermomold mags to use, three compliance parts if you really want the wood, and check what you really have for compliance, some of the early black widows were supposedly sold with the older wood compliance internals, you just have to check.

[rep30cal]

Suppose you were driving home from the range after a great day of shooting,
and out of nowhere a drunk driver hits your car and you have to go to the
hospital to be checked out. Meantime Officer Smith :cop: looks your car over and sees your rifle in the car, well he's not going to leave it in the car to be stolen by someone at the towing co., so he takes it to the station for safe keeping. He tells Officer Jones :cop: to come look at this awesome rifle
:fn-fal: that Mr. Seliwmas has to come get later, he's the guy that got hit by the drunk :cheers: . Officer Jones :cop: says "WOW, nice rifle, to bad that isn't the right stocks." They check it over a little closer and find a non-compliant rifle :fn-fal: . Now your a criminal and the judge:nonono: says you
are a bad boy and must go to jail, and NOW you have a new room
mate. :lovefest:


You never know, it could happen. :neener:

[seliwmas]

Yeah, I see your point. Where do I get those Thermold mags? Thats a great idea! Then I can keep my wood furniture.
One more thing on the compliance issue. I am a C&R license holder. If I were to buy an original SKS or SVT-40 it in is violation of 922r, but if I make any change to it I violate my C&R license. I guess that is why I have to keep the Bound Book to keep them separated.

[Rampager]

Where do I get those Thermold mags?

http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/riflemagazines.html

(HK-91)

They may need a little filing to get them to fit properly. I use them in my Century G3 and they work great.

[jfowl31]

I thought that as long as the rifle (sks or whatever) was imported before 922r, then as long as its completely original, the rule doesnt apply. But as soon as you modify it, it has to comply with 922r is that correct???

im purty sure as long as its original, theres no issues with compliance. and since you arent allowed to modify them, you shouldnt have any problems.

[M1 Tanker]

First, this "parts count" is a loophole in the 1989 import ban of assault rifles.

922r applies to "is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a
firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable
for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus
military firearms, except in any case where the Attorney General
has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to
this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame,
receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if
assembled; or
"

So, if you mess up your parts count, you basically now have an illegal rifle that was banned from importation in 1989. Your SVT doesn't count. I'm not sure how the SKS fits into this, unless of course you put a pistol grip and detachable magazine on it.

[SteelCore]

+1 to that...I use them so I can use my CETME Mod B furniture on my CETME, which cme witht he brittle BW craptacular furniture.

And that link selling them for 20USD isn't bad. I've paid as little as 15 for a used onwe, and as much as 25 for a new one.

I am ALWAYS in the MKT for thermolds...Thanks 4 the link!

As stated...they take a bit of fitting...I use knives, files, and sandpaper to get the rite fit...work slowly....If you give up, I'll buy them...;)