side folder

[G]

hey guys I have a question about side folding buttstocks on ak`s & sks i read 922r complyance & i still don`t understand. I asked a local gunshop they just figured since they sold them it was ok. I appoligize if this is allready on a thread i could not find it. Thanks in advance Greg

[jlpskydive]

If it was imported as a C&R and you modify it, it then becomes illegal. If it was not C&R you must make sure you have enough compliance parts to keep it legal.

[SteelCore]

"I asked a local gunshop they just figured since they sold them it was ok."

The sad truth is that shops are not the keepers of legality....first and foremost, they wanna sell guns and stuff.

[jlpskydive]

Oh and BTW when I say modify it, I mean even putting a Hi Cap mag in it....

[okie shooter]

On sidefolding buttstocks, on a ak-47/akm/ak-74, since they just have to be 922r compliant, and there is no longer the awb to count evil features, you can use a folder, but you still have to have the proper number of us made items to make the rifle us made, ten or less imported parts in the assembly.

On your sks, there are plenty of opnions on this, but in my opnion, if you have a C&R imported sks(Soviet, eastern bloc to include, Albanian, Romanian, East German(think I read some where that the Germans destroyed most of their stuff), Bulgarian,Polish(not sure if any one has them), and Yugoslavian) and you want a folding buttstock you have to then make the rifle 922r compliant as you take it out of the C&R status when you put it on a folder.

On chinese sks rifles its all sorts of grey, as some were pre 89, others post 89, some say you can and some say you cant without complying with 922r.

922r is doable with the parts out there though. I think tapco has a complete list of 922r parts used on a sks rifle. The gas piston, op rod(second rod behind gas piston) stock(remember the gun had no pistol grip thus swiching out just is a usa part for a part that wasnt there), handguard, Magazine(three parts, body, follower and base plate) just to name a few of them, do some reading on these.

Just my two cents though is on the sks, the folding stock most common is the one with a plastic pivot pin, which is weak and wears out and gets loose.

[G]

thanks alot guys, what if a part breaks?

[nalioth]

thanks alot guys, what if a part breaks? You buy a new one.

[Planning]

what nalioth said.....:thumbup:

[G]

Oh and BTW when I say modify it, I mean even putting a Hi Cap mag in it....
that`s sort of funny i remember when i bought an ak and the shop owner sold me a high a high cap mag as well! Thanks for the business & good luck i guess???

[hunter_la5]

that`s sort of funny i remember when i bought an ak and the shop owner sold me a high a high cap mag as well! Thanks for the business & good luck i guess???

the high cap mag in the AK is probably perfectly fine. the AK you bought shouldve been built to 922r standards when it was first made, as the AK is already an assault rifle in assault rifle configuration, so I wouldnt worry about the magazine.
the big reason you have to look out with the SKS's is that they were not imported as "assault rifles", and if you modify them to be such then 922r suddenly applies. but 922r applied to the AK's as soon as they were made

the only way I could see the magazine being a problem is if the gun was originally built using an american made magazine for compliance parts and the other magazine is foreign made, but i kind of dount this is the case.

[jlpskydive]

Hunter, I was only talking about SKS's. I should have been more clear.

[okie shooter]

Greg, as hunter la5 said, a ak(we are talking High cap ak, like a wasr-10 high cap, not an unmodified one that is single stack and takes only ten round mags, that is a different story) that is properly built is allowable with a high cap mag, its the SKS's that when you put a high cap mag, you are needing compliance with 922r.

Now if you had a low cap wasr-10, that has all romanian parts, then you would have to bring the rifle up to 922r compliance to open the mag well and shoot high cap. The wasr series, like the saigas from russia were imported as low capicity sporting rifles, with out modification they both can only really use ten round mags made for them.(well not entirely true but saigas had only had ten round mags imported for a while now, they make and did import some thirty rounders for a saiga, but under the guise that they wernt military but atf said no)

[The Great 308]

Not to hijack this thread but on a related issue I have a SKS D/M one of the Chinese SKS that was imported and designed for use with AK mags. Originally the gun came with a ten round Chinese mag. It was my understanding that since the ban on high capacity mags is no longer in effect and since the rifle originally had a Chinese made mag that it should be OK to use them in my rifle. Is this correct or do I need to get some US made parts to make it 922r compliant. Thanks in advance this stuff makes my brain hurt sometimes. LOL

[nalioth]

Not to hijack this thread but on a related issue I have a SKS D/M one of the Chinese SKS that was imported and designed for use with AK mags. Originally the gun came with a ten round Chinese mag. It was my understanding that since the ban on high capacity mags is no longer in effect and since the rifle originally had a Chinese made mag that it should be OK to use them in my rifle. Is this correct or do I need to get some US made parts to make it 922r compliant. Thanks in advance this stuff makes my brain hurt sometimes. LOL
You've always been able to use high-caps in it (if you've owned them). The ban was on "sale of high caps", not usage of. So long as you've not changed anything in it (dropped it into an ATI stock, etc) it's 'grandfathered' and 922r doesn't apply.

[okie shooter]

You've always been able to use high-caps in it (if you've owned them). The ban was on "sale of high caps", not usage of.
Thats what I always though too, but does any one really know where these fit into alteration, if you change the stock, does then 922r apply, if you try to put a "evil" feature but not even sure if that still valid(kinda like the rest of the chinese sks rifles and their status)

[turbothis]

does anyone even make us parts for a sks??????

[nalioth]

does anyone even make us parts for a sks??????
Tapco makes parts for EVERYthing.

[okie shooter]

You can get plenty of compliance parts, just not the fcg, like in a ak, but, I listed above; gas piston, second rod(operating rod), stock, hand guard, three parts of the magazine, add on grips just to name a few.

[SteelCore]

on SKS compliance/noncompliance under 922r...that is how I read it too.

[The Great 308]

You've always been able to use high-caps in it (if you've owned them). The ban was on "sale of high caps", not usage of. So long as you've not changed anything in it (dropped it into an ATI stock, etc) it's 'grandfathered' and 922r doesn't apply.

Thanks that is what I thought. I have not changed any parts on the rifle I bought it NIB from Planning about a year ago.:D

[nalioth]

Thanks that is what I thought. I have not changed any parts on the rifle I bought it NIB from Planning about a year ago.:D
Very nice rifles, thay are. One of the few butthole stocks that doesn't feel and look like :bull: