What is it? <sigh>

[nalioth]

Ok, folks can't leave well enough alone.

What is the rifle on the left?

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/i188/shooter521/misc%20guns/krebs_AKs.jpg

[okie shooter]

Some sort of krebs ak, maybe a fixed magazine variant for Kali?

[nalioth]

No sir, it's not a neutered AK.

It's a Krebs "Enhanced Speed Load Tactical Rifle", whatever that means. It probably weighs 8 pounds more than a standard AK, and can grate pounds of cheese every minute . . .

[okie shooter]

No sir, it's not a neutered AK.

It's a Krebs "Enhanced Speed Load Tactical Rifle", whatever that means. It probably weighs 8 pounds more than a standard AK, and can grate pounds of cheese every minute . . .
What is the purpose of the mag extension, to make it easier to insert mags, more like a ar?

[nalioth]

What is the purpose of the mag extension, to make it easier to insert mags, more like a ar?
I've never seen one in person, nor have I seen a writeup on any forums about how it's supposed to work.

Have no freaking idea how it's 'speedy' with a big ol' locking lug sticking off the back of the magazine. Even with the extended collar, you still have to insert the front of the mag and "rock it and lock it".

[okie shooter]

Looking at that photo, I dont think you could rock it in, the point on the trunion is much higher than the lower edge of that mag well, unless its hugely oversized and just giving you plenty of guideance or the front is open and just makes sure you get the mag in stright side to side. Would be interesting to see more pics or one in person.

[Grasshopper]

Looks like somebody tricked out a saiga.:blink2:

[okie shooter]

Looks like somebody tricked out a saiga.:blink2:
I think krebs may start with them, why get something more expensive, if you are just going to remove all of the stuff and redo it anyway?

[nalioth]

Looks like somebody tricked out a saiga.:blink2:


I think krebs may start with them, why get something more expensive, if you are just going to remove all of the stuff and redo it anyway?
Yeah, a lot of your custom AK builders start with Saiga rifles.

[rustypirate]

Yeah, a lot of your custom AK builders start with Saiga rifles.


And end up with crap like that.....

Yuck!

[texlurch]

"start out with a Saiga"

Start out with the one true Russian Izmash built rifle you can still get, and turn it into some sort of mall ninja AR wannabe clone?

Good plan!!!

[nalioth]

Another pic:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/Teutonic_Rycerz/Krebsrail.jpg

HEY MR. PARMESAN, WATCH OUT!!!!!

[k98k792]

I like the scope mount.Looks alot like the one on the Polish Beryl.

[nalioth]

I like the scope mount.Looks alot like the one on the Polish Beryl.

Yeah, that's what Mr. Krebs was inspired by, I suspect.

[k98k792]

I bet that doodad on the mag well is there to keep the mags from flopping. No dimples.

[SteelCore]

iDa me un fusil con queso, por favor!:sleepy:

--ETA--

Izzis one just as bad?
http://hornscustomrifles.com/pic/6-2006-003.jpg

Or worse?

[M1 Tanker]

1960

[SteelCore]

by artist Riello:
http://xirdal.lmu.de/xirdalium/xpix/riellokalashnikovs.png

link to Antonio Riellos' "Ladies Weapons" exhibit:
http://www.hoardmag.com/riello/Riello_1.htm

[tanstaafl4y]

The pink and blue with zebra...now thats big pimpin.

/Almost matches the purse I bought my GF last week....mebe I should buy her a matching gun

[okie shooter]

I bet that doodad on the mag well is there to keep the mags from flopping. No dimples.

They come as double stack, so they must have something inside to keep them from floping, I wonder if it doesnt eliminate the rotation and make it much like other deep mag well guns, like the cetme and ar series. Guess a front view of the mag well might make more sence.

[oneshot]

I used to have a magazine with an article in it about this weapon system. Can't find it when I need it. If I remember correctly they started with bulgarian parts kits. It was modified this way to "bring the AK into the new century".If I ever find the magazine I'll post more info.

[k98k792]

They come as double stack, so they must have something inside to keep them from floping, I wonder if it doesnt eliminate the rotation and make it much like other deep mag well guns, like the cetme and ar series. Guess a front view of the mag well might make more sence.

The converted Saiga I had,had some mag flop,with metal mags.Though not as much as the Wasr. It was my first Ak.I had it for two days. I returned it to the builder,a local licensed guy here in Mo. After 4 or 5 mags, the bullet guide bent when I inserted a mag in it.
Though that may not be the purpose for that mag well mod.

[okie shooter]

I guess I might have to look at mine at home, if I can find any of them. :) and see what holds the mags steady, I thought my 7.62x39 had dimples, but the 223, I dont think does.

Interesting that the bullet guide bent though, I had thought about a conversion, but now I have ak's in 5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39 thus the motivation went away.


I used to have a magazine with an article in it about this weapon system. Can't find it when I need it. If I remember correctly they started with bulgarian parts kits. It was modified this way to "bring the AK into the new century".If I ever find the magazine I'll post more info.
That one in the second pic, says saiga right on the side for sure. That said they might have started with things made for various other ak variants.

[texlurch]

That all looks to be the fix for the non-existent problem.

[k98k792]

The guy was cool about it,and took it back.He insisted that the metal he used was milspec and the proper thickness. I expect I inserted the mag wrong somehow. Swapped it out for a Wasr. That sucker is sill ticking. Best 300$ I ever spent.

[nalioth]

Can someone please tell me the fascination with putting a damned cheese grater on any/every available surface?

[texlurch]

Can someone please tell me the fascination with putting a damned cheese grater on any/every available surface?


Simple... because ya just never know when you might want to grate some cheese!!!


Or hang 30+ pounds of doodads and gadgets on your SHTF/Zombie defence weapon!!

[okie shooter]

Graters and damm collapsible t-6 stocks on everything too.

[jlpskydive]

I must admit that I have several rifles with T6's on them, but the Ms. likes to shoot also and it allows her to adjust to be comforatble. I DO NOT OWN A SINGLE CHEESE grater. The dam thing is heavy enough with a scope and a full 30 rounder.

[M1 Tanker]

for a paper plate shooter, no idea. For a warfighter, yeah I get it.

[jlpskydive]

for a paper plate shooter, no idea. For a warfighter, yeah I get it.

That's all I shoot. That and those pesky clay pigeons

[texlurch]

for a paper plate shooter, no idea. For a warfighter, yeah I get it.


And here I didn't realize the huge demand for foo-fa doo-dadded up AK's for "warfighters"..



I DO know that this is what all the well dressed mall ninjas are wearing these days. :1087:

[okie shooter]

Ya on that cheese grater rifle, the sight cost more than the rifle if its a real aimpoint. The ak is a great rifle but its that due to being simple and reliable. Bury one in the sand, knock the sand out and it functions, pack it with mud, wash it quickly with a spray of water, it functions. I guess every mall ninja needs to be tatical. Guess though the mujahaden didn't though.

[texlurch]

For a fighting weapon, yes on a good optic, and maybe a foregrip, and a collapsible stock to fit the body armor and gear.


Lights, lasers, cameras, bells whistles and other crap you won't see unless you make a living breaking in buildings at night.

[SteelCore]

yeah, and what is the purpose of putting a CQB sight waay up on the front? At that point, just put a big ring out there, it'll be as much use to ya, and a lot cheaper.

The only mod I think would really increase the accuracy of the AK would be somehting that increases the sight radius...and they already sell such things that bring the rear sight back to the back of the topcover.

[texlurch]

Guess though the mujahaden didn't though.


Heck, they are happy with a Mosin!!!!!!!!

[SteelCore]

"For a fighting weapon, yes on a good optic, and maybe a foregrip, and a collapsible stock to fit the body armor and gear."

Or mebbe a touchpad-operated light mounted instead of an optic.

[RandyCOG3]

No sir, it's not a neutered AK.

It's a Krebs "Enhanced Speed Load Tactical Rifle", whatever that means. It probably weighs 8 pounds more than a standard AK, and can grate pounds of cheese every minute . . .

I wonder if there would be any market for a REAL, rail-mount cheese grater? I bet they would sell. They would, of course, have additional rails on them for other stuff.

RandyCOG3

[texlurch]

I wonder if there would be any market for a REAL, rail-mount cheese grater? I bet they would sell. They would, of course, have additional rails on them for other stuff.

RandyCOG3



Only if you included a can opener and fish scaler..... :bash:

[k98k792]

Here is a Polish soldier with an AK set up for the MODERN battlefield. This is not your fathers AK!

[texlurch]

Yep. Optic, foregrip and not much else. I do like that folding front BUIS...