This couldn't be more true!

[rpmfly2]

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue. Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table...everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food. After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quite, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.


Now lets see...our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be a automatic citizen. Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties. Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

I did not post this to start an arguement or bash anyone! Thanks, Randy.:book:

[SteelCore]

I read the first paragraph and thought this:

Hey, you're the UN, and the birds are Somali refugees!

Then I read your comparison...I guess pretty close.

I agree that you post is not a bash, but mre of a social commentary...so permit me to add my own:
Although the #of ppl living in housing together is mis-interpreted by many of us today, since we have lost many bonds of familial strength (as the US gov't wants to be our 'family' for us). The idea of living with extended family is not solely the idea of mexicans, many European ppl who immigrated to the US did the same thing in the boroughs of many fine US cities. Italians, poles, russian, jews, etc may have had 3-4 generations of family members suporting each other under one roof. (now we bitch when the in-laws come to visit for a week..unless youre a grandkid!)

Now, I have met some fine gents from India, and they all work at an indian place about a block away. They're young, and they are not related, but they live in the aptment that easily houses them all. I met them because my buddies live across from them, and in each case, 3 ppl live in a 2-room aptment (with the basement converted into a room). In each case, they do it to save $$$ on housing. Heck, the hindu guys place is cleaner than my buddies place (although it all has the continual reek that curry cooking gives to a place..and I like curry.)

Also in some places i this city, there are white folks that do cohabitate with a few generations of their fam in one house...but that is just called 'white trash' by the upper-middle class here. (I consider white trash more of a mental state than a physical one.)

CAVEAT:
I'm not endorsing illegals in any way, but I must call out xenophoibia and prejudice when I see it. (I'm not implying that you even intended to make it sound like that, I'm just saying it gets into the subcounscious, and we accept certain things as truth, since we're pattern-matching monkeys)


"our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education"
-->Not free...taxpayers pay it. there are no free rides. Me, i think welfare, social secutrity, and taxes all smack of my dreaded enemy--socialism. I think that for true capitalism, you need to pay for the quality level of goods/services you receive. Don't wanna stand in line at the med check while you bleed out? pay $$$ to retain elite med services. (me I ain't rich or anything, so I get the goods/svcs I am willing to pay for. If I don't like it, I can try for a hihgherr-paying job or suck it up...cause I ain;t takin no hand outs.)
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[Darkwatch]

I say we take it down, illegals or not...I'm tired of paying for everyone else. If I had more money (IE - less taxes) I could afford to go see a dentist about my filling that just fell out!

[turbothis]

i could really use more money to increase my collection. oh and maybe less illegals taking over construction.:builder:

[SteelCore]

Yeah, note to anyone who got fillings int he 70's and 80's -- they dentist says they a re waay inferior to the ones made today, and that they will all eentually fall out. best to get them updated.
I had the same thing, DW...you'd be surprised how long you can go with a big hole in your tooth. brush well, myy friend!

[iocane]

Part of the problem is the goverment making it so people need them. Strict land planning results in non-affordable housing. So people want goverment to pay for housing. I wouldn't be suprised if eventually gasoline hits some ridiculous price like 30 dollars a gallon. Then there will be those buying goverment subsidized gasoline. Wonder what the requirements will be to get the goverment subsidized gas. Could just allow more oil drilling but that is off limits.

[jlpskydive]

"our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education"
-->Not free...taxpayers pay it. there are no free rides. Me, i think welfare, social security, and taxes all smack of my dreaded enemy--socialism. I think that for true capitalism, you need to pay for the quality level of goods/services you receive. Don't wanna stand in line at the med check while you bleed out? pay $$$ to retain elite med services. (me I ain't rich or anything, so I get the goods/svcs I am willing to pay for. If I don't like it, I can try for a higher-paying job or suck it up...cause I ain;t takin no hand outs.)
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Steely you and I agree on most things, BUT the statement above is just ..... ludacris.... You're right there is no such thing as free lunch and your statement is correct, but come on man they are not paying into the system and to them it IS a free lunch. If my tax dollars went to ONLY legal citizens I'm pretty sure that what I paid for would be a MUCH better value

[DAA1]

Do I tell all those free loading birds in my back yard to start contributing for all the bird seed I buy them......

Plus I got a free loading gopher too... the little guy goes around under all the feeders and gets all the seeds that the birds spill. I seen with my own eyes how these birds see to it that they spill enough bird seed so that the gopher can get plenty to eat...

I got several types of birds that eat all the free food, they don't work very much, they are cute and the gopher agravates the kitties so I guess they do provide some service, but in relation to what they cost I think I am loosing $$$ but I have to keep the wife happy, and having bird feeders with birds out back keeps her happy.

[bullseye]

"and having bird feeders with birds out back keeps her happy"

And that makes it all worth it. Nuff said.

[rpmfly2]

I was gone over the weekend and could not answer due to time constraints.

I see the similarities and understand everyone's position about this but what about the tax payers that fund the programs finally getting a say in how the money is spent? You don't see tax payers ranting and raving because if they take off work they loose their job and everything and are availed nothing like is given away and provided since they (USED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES.) I just wish they would have a uniform tax that everyone paid into and it was EQUALITY FOR ALL! Some how we have become a nation on a sliding scale! I was totally disabled in 1992 and was denied my SS because of my education and that I was a white male. It doesn't bother me that people live together to save money and for that matter more power to them for being smart. I just wish that when I have paid into a system and got denied they didn't give me the song and dance!

[SteelCore]

"Steely you and I agree on most things, BUT the statement above is just ..... ludacris.... You're right there is no such thing as free lunch and your statement is correct, but come on man they are not paying into the system and to them it IS a free lunch. If my tax dollars went to ONLY legal citizens I'm pretty sure that what I paid for would be a MUCH better value"

Read my pargraph again. I'm saying ALL ppl will have to pay for their care--even illegals. If you're and illegal and you wanna come here for the social programs (the 'free ride') and we eliminate 90% of them, you ain;t gonna come here becaus you'll have to pay like the rest of us. Remove the socalist BS programs from the US, tax less, we can all suddenly afford more and better stuff, and the docs aren't forced to work on someon the'yre not gonna make $$ off of, so qulity of care goes up too.

So I think we're in agreement there, JLP.

"what about the tax payers that fund the programs finally getting a say in how the money is spent?"
-->TOTALLY 100% behind that. I'd certainly call that 'voting with your money'..that'd put an end to pork barrel spending, and other governmental excesses...and perhaps a lot of the BS the Green movement is pushing.

[jlpskydive]

"Steely you and I agree on most things, BUT the statement above is just ..... ludacris.... You're right there is no such thing as free lunch and your statement is correct, but come on man they are not paying into the system and to them it IS a free lunch. If my tax dollars went to ONLY legal citizens I'm pretty sure that what I paid for would be a MUCH better value"

Read my pargraph again. I'm saying ALL ppl will have to pay for their care--even illegals. If you're and illegal and you wanna come here for the social programs (the 'free ride') and we eliminate 90% of them, you ain;t gonna come here becaus you'll have to pay like the rest of us. Remove the socalist BS programs from the US, tax less, we can all suddenly afford more and better stuff, and the docs aren't forced to work on someon the'yre not gonna make $$ off of, so qulity of care goes up too.

So I think we're in agreement there, JLP.

"what about the tax payers that fund the programs finally getting a say in how the money is spent?"
-->TOTALLY 100% behind that. I'd certainly call that 'voting with your money'..that'd put an end to pork barrel spending, and other governmental excesses...and perhaps a lot of the BS the Green movement is pushing.

Oh OK we are in agreement

[SteelCore]

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[pigpen]

I just read somewhere today, I think on freerepublic.com, that Swedens' socialist utopian society is starting to feel the crunch. It seems that all the hard working people in Sweden have been replaced by lazy slobs over the years. Now, the People are not making enough money to cover the exspence of all thier "wonderful" social programs. Same thing will happen here over time. That is what happens when people become dependant on the system.

[SteelCore]

The wages of a soclialist Swede are minimal for a lotta work...they're taxed about 50-60% of their wages.

Ouch. I thot 33% was bad.

[rpmfly2]

The wages of a soclialist Swede are minimal for a lotta work...they're taxed about 50-60% of their wages.

Ouch. I thot 33% was bad.

My friends there just LUV the GST Tax!:rolleyes:

[CrossFire]

I communicate with a guy in Sweden who is also into BPCR. He has mentioned that his overall tax rate is about 64%.
Plus he has talked about some of the fees and taxes involved in other areas, they bought a used car and paid some types of taxes and fees equal to 100% of the cars value!
I'm sure we'lle catching up to them shortly.