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k98k792
04-24-2010, 02:34 PM
I think I need to start watching it. Thanks to my brother Rick for sending me the link.



From RealClearPolitics http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/24/media_leave_south_park_creators_out_to_dry_105305. html



Media Leave "South Park" Creators Out to Dry
By Diana West

Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of "South Park," get it.

They get the free-speech significance of the Danish Muhammad cartoons epitomized by Kurt Westergaard's bomb-head Muhammad.

They even get it across.

"It's so sad, the whole Muhammad, the whole Danish cartoon thing," said Stone, Parker seated beside him during a joint interview with the entertainment Web site Boing Boing.

Don't laugh. Boing Boing here goes where "elite" media fear to tiptoe, let alone tread.

The subject was the 200th episode of "South Park," which, in unusually clean if satirical fashion, focused on Islam's fanatical, and, to Western sensibilities, ridiculous prohibitions on depictions and criticism of Muhammad, who is at one point presented in a bear suit. (Now you can laugh.)

Stone continued: "It's like, if everyone would have just, like, normally they do in the news organizations, just printed the cartoons -"

"Everyone would have rallied together," interjected Parker.

"Now that guy [Westergaard] has to be hiding and all this [bleep] because everyone just kind of left him out to dry. It's a big problem when you have the New York Times and Comedy Central and Viacom basically just [wimping] out on it. It's just sad. I was, like, really sad about the whole thing."

This -- despite the grubby Valspeak-ish patois of the astronomically successful Hollywood postmodern -- is a singularly powerful statement. It is powerful in its sincerity, and it is singular in its, well, singularity.

No other American "name" I can think of, no one tops in pop culture, has spoken out against (or even mentioned) the Islamic threat to Western freedom of expression as exemplified by the Sharia dictates against "Motooning." Certainly no one has produced creative content about it.

Rather, such dictates have been religiously followed -- no pun whatsoever intended -- just as though our society were itself officially Islamic. This makes "South Park's" message the closest thing yet to a mainstream declaration of independence from Sharia. For rejecting both the threat of violence and the emotional blackmail emanating from Islam over critiquing Islam's prophet, the two "South Park" creators deserve a medal.

"They're courageous -- no doubt that they are," said Bill O'Reilly of Fox's "O'Reilly Factor" this week. He was discussing the Islamic death threats against Parker and Stone that, naturally, followed the recent "South Park" Muhammad episode.

The threats came in a jihadist video (caption: "Help Us Remove the Filth") portraying the writer-producers as likely victims of Islamic violence along with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie, Geert Wilders, Kurt Westergaard and Lars Vilks. A photo of the slain body of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, his head nearly cut off on an Amsterdam, Netherlands, street in 2004 by a jihadist assassin, served as an example.

Rather than praise Parker's and Stone's courage, however, O'Reilly went on to disparage their judgment.

"Was it the smart thing to do in light of the Danish cartoonist and van Gogh?" he asked. "It's harmless to me," he continued about the episode in question. "But if you are a hard-core jihadist, any mention of Muhammad in any kind of way, particularly if you're poking fun at him, is a capital offense."

According to whose law, Bill -- Islam's or ours? Or is our law now Islamic? Those are the question citizens of the Western world need to hear discussed.

But not on "The O'Reilly Factor."

"See, I would have advised them not to do it," O'Reilly continued, "because the risk is higher than the reward."

One reason there is such a high "risk" is because media people such as O'Reilly left Westergaard and now the "South Park" creators, as Parker put it, "out to dry." All media in America should have reproduced Westergaard's cartoon, just as all media in American should now applaud Parker and Stone for their defense of free speech against Sharia.

Surely it is O'Reilly's responsibility as a leading broadcaster to do that small bit to keep the airwaves free.

Alas, this man of the folks doesn't see it that way. "You don't want to give in to the intimidating forces of evil," he said. "But you got to deal with reality. And these people are killers and they will kill you."

In other words, shut up about Muhammad, and everything will be fine -- or at least Islamic.



Diana West is the author of the "The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization."

19Charlie_84
04-24-2010, 02:42 PM
South Park is awsome, every major politial or world event is game to be made fun of. If something is not right and the masses just accept it, Trey and Matt shove it in your face for being wrong (baseball players taking steroids, kanye west being a jackass at the grammys, etc). I have every episode on my hard drive, I hope they go 30 seasons.

Noskov
04-24-2010, 03:38 PM
They did stand up but Comedy Central censored one of the episodes.

Nazgul
04-24-2010, 03:43 PM
They did stand up but Comedy Central censored one of the episodes.

That's what happened...makes me want to wear a tie with those dutch cartoons that started all this up to begin with. The Trojan horse has arrived in our country now.

RandyCOG3
04-24-2010, 04:15 PM
I'm sorry I missed that episode, but, not to worry, I'm sure it'll be shown again, soon. I think it was Michael Smerkanish that played the audio of part of that show, Comedy Central bleeped the word Mohammed. He also said the bear had a sign or something, that basically said "Not Mohammed".

As I understand it, the group making the ominous threats is based in the US. Why hasn't anybody been arrested?

One nice thing about the show is that, when they feel like cranking out a show about current events, they crank it out in a hurry, not six months after the fact.

Top Gear is my favorite show, South Park is 2nd.

RandyCOG3

Patria Povo
04-24-2010, 04:28 PM
Why can't we all just get along?

http://www.brendanloy.com/blog/images/southpark-muhammad.jpg

Noskov
04-24-2010, 04:34 PM
I'm sorry I missed that episode, but, not to worry, I'm sure it'll be shown again, soon. I think it was Michael Smerkanish that played the audio of part of that show, Comedy Central bleeped the word Mohammed. He also said the bear had a sign or something, that basically said "Not Mohammed".

As I understand it, the group making the ominous threats is based in the US. Why hasn't anybody been arrested?

One nice thing about the show is that, when they feel like cranking out a show about current events, they crank it out in a hurry, not six months after the fact.

Top Gear is my favorite show, South Park is 2nd.

RandyCOG3

I had heard the website making the threats are not based in the USA. They had threatened that the creators of SouthPark will end up like Theo Van Gogh, a critic of Islam who was shot 8 times, decapitated and had the knives stabbed and left in his chest.

turbothis
04-24-2010, 08:49 PM
i live by south park!:sparta:

turmanator
04-24-2010, 09:51 PM
What pisses me off is that sure, if you are a Muslim and depict Mohamad, shame on you it's part of your belief and it would be reasonable to punish you. But, we don't believe that way. How can they hold us to their standards and beliefs? "Religion of Peace" my royal red "butt".

deth502
04-24-2010, 10:52 PM
from what i understand, the organization that made the "threats" was based in the us (ny state, i think) but they werent "threats" which is why no one was arrested. they were just "warning" them of what "might" happen to them by showing what had happened to van gough

Allwater
04-24-2010, 11:11 PM
just "warning" them of what "might" happen to them by showing what had happened to van gough is a threat - pure and simple... arrests only delayed due to the "sensitive" nature of the group in question - give it a few days...

bladeworks123
04-24-2010, 11:26 PM
i live by south park!:sparta:

I actually lived IN South Park for awhile....

Allwater
04-24-2010, 11:47 PM
hey - found 'em already - well, that was easy...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/23/road-radicalism-man-south-park-threats/?test=latestnews

mistersquiggles
04-26-2010, 02:17 PM
i think its high time to take the kid gloves off...... not just overseas in the sandbox and elsewhere.... but right here in good ole U-S- of A..... i am not advocating violence as a first or even LAST resort............ most of the things i see when it comes to these types of muslims that (while in america) incite or foment the idea of Jihad, or whine too much about their rights should get a quick lesson in America 101..... in other words, do what the hell you want as long as its legal, but dont rub your ideas in my face or tell me that i am totally wrong because i dont believe things exactly as you do.... now the extremest types will naturally get upset, and thats their right but if they start speaking of jihad or such things that may be construed as violence, then treat them the same way that joe bag o donuts would get treated if hemade thinly veiled threats or even outright ones..... stick his butt in jail til he figures out that hes not allowed to go around threatening everyone who isnt just like him

bladeworks123
04-26-2010, 03:22 PM
What somehow has gotten lost in the past few years is the definition of "rights". We seem to have allowed a bastardization of that word like we have so many others. "Rights" has seemingly become synonimous with permission or free reign to do whatever you feel like doing, without consequence.

Rights, the way our forefathers knew them, were a priviledge that protected you from being wrongly persecuted or allowed you to persue a happy life free from fear and opression. A priviledge that was a reward for being able to abide by it's spirit, in the interest of all people around you who sought the same protections and freedoms. There was at that time, a universal understanding of the "spirit of the law". So if, in the exercise of your rights, you engaged in any action that would endanger, deny or infringe on the rights of those around you, you were then breaking the law or violating their rights, and at that point, you no longer had that protection of law because you had abused the spirit of the law to your benefit.

We need to re-instill, and clearly define that principle into the minds of everyone from the POUSA to the newly sworn immigrant and to our enemies. Yes you have the right to say, and do, and live whatever you believe, up until the point when your actions in doing so endanger, or impair or infringe on the rights of those around you to do the same. At that point you are no longer entitled to those protections because you can't seem to understand how life in a free republic works.....

Yes Muslims in the US are guaranteed the right of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.... until their excercise of those rights begin to infringe on the rights of Hindus, Christians, Jews, Athiests, et al, to do the same, and or until their actions display that they are enemies of the Country that gives them those rights. Not all Muslims believe this way, there are clearly two different idealogical factions of the Muslim faith, just as there are Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, etc.

The fundamentalist, radical, Jihad practicing Islamic factions who believe they have the "right" to be a superior race to the rest of the world, and promote the purification of their race or religion through acts of force and violence against others... do not fit into the catagory described above, and should be rounded up and moved out, to another country where they can live the way they want without infringing on the rights of the rest of us....

I find it somewhat ironic that one of the first radical Islamic groups, followers of the Sheik Mubarik Ali Hasmi Ghilani, who have declared Jihad against the US, had one of it's training and recruiting compounds located in a remote section of South Park Colorado. I sometimes wonder if the writers of South Park are even aware of that, maybe they are....

jfowl31
04-26-2010, 11:48 PM
I think its hilarious they are making such an uproar about it! The picture that PP posted is from an episode in season 5.... a LONG time ago. South Park ALREADY put Muhmmed's face on their show! The show was called the Super Best Friends.

And according to Trey and Matt, they didn't have ANY bleeps in the episode when they gave it to Comedy Central, and they bleeped his name and some speeches at the end that apparently had absolutely nothing derogatory in them. I think Trey and Matt put the big censored bar up over Muhammed though because it made sense in the story. When Tom Cruise got Muhammed's power of not being made fun of, he turned into a censored bar as well. So, I don't know if they did it or CC did it.

Either way, CC won't be airing the show again. In fact, they didn't even air it AT ALL in my area, and I don't think Time Warner aired it anywhere. Its not on the CC website either. I had to download it via torrents to watch all the hubbub. I record every new episode and was suprised to see last Wed that there was no new show recorded then I saw all the controversial crap!

CC ruined the episode... it wasn't even funny when they got done with it.

AND Muhammed was NEVER in the bear suit...... it was Santa Claus all along. Muhammed stayed in the moving van til the end.

jp99
04-27-2010, 08:29 AM
I had to download it via torrents to watch all the hubbub.

SouthParkstudios.com won't even air it, so i had to do the same.

Regards,

JP99

Jsquared
04-27-2010, 09:04 AM
I agree whole-heartedly that giving in to this kind of ultimatum lends these yahoos credibility. If the entire industry would stand together and give Jihadist Islam a huge collective F-U it might change things, but until then it looks like no one wants the publicity.

ackspac
04-27-2010, 11:20 AM
Its sad that if push comes to shove, the ACLU will rush to their (radicals) defense.

deth502
04-27-2010, 03:39 PM
SouthParkstudios.com won't even air it, so i had to do the same.



sp studios dosent air any of the new episodes right away. there is a few week delay on them.

i have faith, that when the time comes, ill be able to watch this on sp studios without the bleeps.

we shall see.....

jp99
04-27-2010, 04:04 PM
sp studios dosent air any of the new episodes right away. there is a few week delay on them.

i have faith, that when the time comes, ill be able to watch this on sp studios without the bleeps.

we shall see.....

They stream them the morning after it airs on comedy central for the continuing week then it's unavailable for a month or so. This is the only time I've seen that it hasn't streamed the morning after, was quite surprised not to be able to watch it before work last week.

Regards,

JP99

okie shooter
04-27-2010, 04:38 PM
You all talking about south park and living near by, I have a ex girlfriend that was a few years younger than Trey Parker and she grew up in Conifer.

As for the series, they take on everything out there. They pull no punches.

Grasshopper
04-27-2010, 08:48 PM
Soo, attacking 2 American citizans is an act of War... and if (ya, my spelling is horroble) thay do damage to the inferstructure, or threaten the inferstructure, therof........ we can arrest them?
Me thiks, this e-mail would be used as evidence that I am a Islamophoibe????
I accually agree with the Tallib. If the people were just left alone, they'd never know freedom and not want it.......:kookaid:

SteelCore
05-13-2010, 01:44 PM
I actually lived IN South Park for awhile....

I have friends in Pittsburgh who live in South Park.

SteelCore
05-13-2010, 01:50 PM
Additionally, Sharia Law and the Declaration of Independence/Constitution are mutually exclusive endeavors. There can NEVER be Sharia law in the land of the Free, unless one of the above is compromised (either Sharia law or freedom as espoused in the documents by the Founders).

As for Free Speech:remember that when the left mentionse free speech, they mean free speech for them, and other free speech is disallowed or branded as 'racist' or 'not PC'. So the rights are malleable in the views of pregrssives and libs. It's a dangerouns double standards in which freedom is slavery and in which slavery is freedom.