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Jagman
05-28-2010, 06:13 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/atf-rede ... -transfers

ATF Redefines 40-Year-Old Law on Gun Transfers
Opinion by National Shooting Sports Foundation
(14 Hours Ago) in Society / Guns

Reversing an interpretation of the Gun Control Act that has been on the books for more than four decades, ATF today posted a ruling declaring any shipment of a firearm by a manufacturer (FFL) to any agent or business (e.g., an engineering-design firm, patent lawyer, testing lab, gun writer, etc.) for a bona fide business purpose to be a "transfer" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. As a consequence, legitimate business-related shipments will now require the recipient to complete a Form 4473 and undergo a Brady criminal background check. In many instances, these requirements will force shipments to a third party, thereby lengthening the process and the time that the firearm is in transit.

ATF officials have acknowledged this is a radical change from ATF’s long-standing interpretation that this was not a "transfer" under the Gun Control Act that was set forth in a 1969 ruling ("Shipment or Delivery of Firearms By Licensees to Employees, Agents, Representatives, Writers and Evaluators.") and further clarified in a 1972 ruling. In other words, ATF is now saying its long-standing rulings, issued shortly after the Gun Control Act was enacted, were wrong. ATF should be required to explain why it took 42 years to decide that its original understanding and interpretation of the Gun Control Act is now somehow wrong. ATF appears to be under the mistaken impression that the Brady Act of 1993 changed what constitutes a "transfer" under the Gun Control Act. Even if this were true - and it is not -- then ATF should be required to explain why it took 17 years to figure this out. ATF itself admits that neither the Gun Control Act nor the Brady Act defines "transfer." There is simply nothing in the Brady Act or is there any other legal reason that compels ATF to now reject 40 years of precedent.

For more than four decades manufacturers have shipped firearms to agents for bona fide business purposes. ATF is unable to identify a single instance during the past 40 years where a single firearm shipped in reliance upon ATF's rulings was used in a crime. This unwarranted reinterpretation of the law will cause significant disruption and additional costs for industry members and increase the cost of doing business, while doing nothing to advance public safety.

Nazgul
05-28-2010, 06:16 PM
Typical ATF bull butter.

7.62guy
05-28-2010, 06:46 PM
ever see the bumper sticker? batfe should be a convienance store not a federal agency.

ackspac
05-28-2010, 06:53 PM
Just think, our tax dollars paid some bozo who works for BATF to just sit and determine worthless garbage like this. Im sure AG Holder has all of his bozo's working 24/7 to find any flaw they can in our 2nd Amendment rights.

bladeworks123
05-28-2010, 07:57 PM
So if shipping to a corporation, I wonder who the lucky schmuck is who gets to undergo the background check??? Shipping receiver? CEO? Secretary? Janitor?

automick
05-28-2010, 08:35 PM
Shiping to a NFA trust should be fun.!
Sorry but im gona vent here...FULL auto is not a PRIVLEDGE..its just another
RIGHT that was made more difficult by the jack boot gun control nazis.

rustypirate
05-29-2010, 01:10 AM
What happens if you ship a gun to the BATFE for their evaluation of the design???

Do they have to fill out the forms and go through the background check on themselves?

This is soooo much bull.

Plenty of legal precedent for the old way, and I am unsure if the BATFE can suddenly "change their interpretation" of the law in place without a rewrite of the law to clerify the reason for the change.

Jagman
05-29-2010, 08:47 AM
It is law already, the source document:

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2010-1.pdf

gtty
05-29-2010, 09:07 AM
what gives the BATFE the right to just change the law at their whim?

Planning
05-29-2010, 09:51 AM
what gives the BATFE the right to just change the law at their whim?

just because they can. the congress gave them the authority to write the rules/regulations/change them/modify them,etc. within the guide lines they were given. most laws are written this way. congress makes laws and the buracrats write the rules/regulations/etc.:rolleyes:

yep! some lonely person/s sitting in a dark basement office in the outskirts of washing dc, unknown to the rest of the countury writes this stuff.
many have never owned, touched, shot,etc. a gun, but they do the writing of the rules/regulations. many time it looks good on paper.:icon_biggrin: but and that a big but...........never mind...:eek:

remember if they don't have anything to write/rewrite/make up/ change,etc. then they are out of a job or will be transfered to another basement some where on the outskirts of washing dc.:eek:
ron

Mortal_Wombat
05-29-2010, 10:06 AM
so what happens to all the gun smiths on the net who have guns sent to them?
do people have to pay for a damn transfer fee just to send their gun to a gunsmith?

in either case this makes no freaking sense what the crap are these guys thinking?

MicroPilot
05-29-2010, 10:59 AM
so what happens to all the gun smiths on the net who have guns sent to them?
do people have to pay for a damn transfer fee just to send their gun to a gunsmith?

in either case this makes no freaking sense what the crap are these guys thinking?

If I was the conspiracy thinking type it would sound like a Democrat/Obama plan to further reduce the number of gun dealers, manufacturers, and smiths by making it more costly and difficult for them to do business thereby forcing some to close up shop.

The REALLY bad thing about this situation is there is NO recourse for the concerned citizen to take.

Nazgul
05-29-2010, 12:28 PM
The REALLY bad thing about this situation is there is NO recourse for the concerned citizen to take.

Oh there is...there is...Vote! and remind the jack asses you work with that voted for Obama, how stupid they were. That's what I do. I usually say something like "I voted for the war hero, not the zero".

Still, the ATF likes to make up the rules as they go along. That is why my dark side always chuckles when I see footage of the start of the Waco raid, and how they go their ninja asses kicked.

bladeworks123
05-29-2010, 10:10 PM
I don't see this as being a FFL to FFL problem. Once an FFL holder has gone through his background check, he will not have to undergo a background check every time he has a firearm shipped to him. This only comes into play when an FFL sends a weapon to a third party business for evaluation testing etc. as a non sale, to be returned back to the FFL..... or am I missing something here?

9638
05-30-2010, 08:26 AM
I am sure this is marching orders from on high to make life more difficult for the little people in this country. :tinfoil:

rudrules
05-30-2010, 09:19 AM
If we dont stop this BASTARDS now in this next election, we will be a COMUNIST Country soon!

WE MUST VOTE ALL OF THOSE $#@^$ OUT OF OFFICE!

:America:GOD BLESS AMERICA, THE LAND OF THE FREE! :America:

Rudy:2pistol:

cfish
06-01-2010, 09:30 AM
I don't see this as being a FFL to FFL problem. Once an FFL holder has gone through his background check, he will not have to undergo a background check every time he has a firearm shipped to him. This only comes into play when an FFL sends a weapon to a third party business for evaluation testing etc. as a non sale, to be returned back to the FFL..... or am I missing something here?


Dave, I agree with your take on it. I think you hit the nail on the head.

okie shooter
06-01-2010, 12:57 PM
Those who think that there is a law covering many things are mistaken for sure. For the most part, the laws are actually just guideance to the federal agencies who then codeify the ideas presented by congress as regulations. Thus the CFR's are just regulations written from a small number of bills passed by congress, giving the various agencies to regulate and set the actual basis of regulations.