Trigger talk

[jfowl31]

As I've mentioned before, I know NOTHING about the world of AR's except for the measly amount of information I read every now and then on the internet, and even then, I mostly look at pics :).

Im putting together a varmint setup, and the only thing Im not happy with on the Stag lower is the trigger. So I started looking at triggers........ Good Lord there are a TON of match triggers out there. So I start wondering... are any of them better than any other? Or would I just be buying a "name"?

So tell me your experiences, and preferences. I was a single stage, adjustable or not... as low a pull weight as I can... thats why adjustable may be favorable, so I can set it to a hair weight for varminting, and then heavier if I get a different upper.

price range is as low as possible. I dont even really know where to start. I browsed through Midway's triggers, but I dont even really know if those prices are good or not.

So point me to a single stage match trigger for a good price.

Gracias!
Jfowl

[jlpskydive]

I have a RRA NM trigger in my Stag lower and if you even look at it funny it goes off. It has a long draw, but you almost don't feel the tension build before it breaks. I think you can find the kits on Gun Broker for around 80 bucks and I love mine.

[jfowl31]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats a 2-stage.

Im looking for a trigger with no take up, just crisp clean break.

Ive been looking at Jard triggers for a while, and that's the way Im leaning. Fully adjustable for sear engagement and overtravel... 1.5, 2 lb trigger pull (can also get heavier if desired)...

Are those good triggers, and/or can the same thing be bought for less than $120?

[jfowl31]

forgot to ask... my Stag lower IS a small pin lower right?

.154" sized pins?

[jlpskydive]

Yes it's a small pin, genneraly Colt is the only large pin lower (that I know of). It's not really a 2 stage but it's not adjustable. Long draw and very clean almost unnoticible break. As far as the Jard triggers I have heard nothing, but good thigs about them. Although they have always seemed very expensive to me.

[Hoot]

Be careful with short travel, light trip triggers on pistol gripped autoloaders. They tend to double-tap, unless you hold them in a death grip, which is counter-productive to accuracy. In my low-end AR, the trigger pull is holding back my accuracy. It has the classic kiss of death, where you can see the hammer actually draw further back, albeit slightly, before it releases. I've spent way too much time getting stock triggers on military autoloaders to feel good, only to have them bump fire. I accept now that you have to purchase one that is designed differently and replace the stock trigger. I will be reading along on this thread. Like Jordan, I hate to pay my hard earned money for famous name bragging rights when a no-name good design will suffice.

A large part of me is shouting that if I want a benchrest or varmint gun, I should get one designed for that purpose, not try to drag a military gun into that realm.

Hoot

[jlpskydive]

Be careful with short travel, light trip triggers on pistol gripped autoloaders. They tend to double-tap, unless you hold them in a death grip, which is counter-productive to accuracy. In my low-end AR, the trigger pull is holding back my accuracy. It has the classic kiss of death, where you can see the hammer actually draw further back, albeit slightly, before it releases. I've spent way too much time getting stock triggers on military autoloaders to feel good, only to have them bump fire. I accept now that you have to purchase one that is designed differently and replace the stock trigger. I will be reading along on this thread. Like Jordan, I hate to pay my hard earned money for famous name bragging rights when a no-name good design will suffice.

A large part of me is shouting that if I want a benchrest or varmint gun, I should get one designed for that purpose, not try to drag a military gun into that realm.

Hoot

That is one of the things that I like about the RRA trigger it has a LONG pull you won't set if off unless you mean to. When you mean to, it does go off with out even thinking about it and it breaks soooooo clean that you barely notice the recoil.

[k98k792]

I may send mine to Bill along with some other trigger groups.
http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=552

[jlpskydive]

I don't think he will take an AR lower to re-work. The AR lowers take a FFL to transfer.

[tump]

bill has it listed on the link looks like $50 for the whole shabang.

[jfowl31]

I guess if its called the kiss of death, I suffer from it too... My hammer is pulled a good bit further back dring the creep of the trigger.

I'll probably pull out all the parts, and stone the engagement spots... Ive done trigger jobs on all my rifles with great success, but I'm thinking for my total varmint/accuracy package, I ought to save and spend some change on this one.

who knows, by the time I save up the cash, I may break in the rifle enough that the trigger starts to smooth out.

Keep the info coming, and preferred/cheapest dealers as well.

Are the McCormicks worth the money???????? I mean I'm already spending $120-130 minimum, why not spend $150-160 if its any better. I know its totally modular, and adjustable for just about everything... opinions?

[Hoot]

Colemantyler.com (http://www.colemantyler.com/proddetail.php?prod=LRNMTRRA&PHPSESSID=a903c845494c26f11c8cfed8d1bbd254) has the RRA 2 Stage NM kits on sale for $92.

Hoot

[texlurch]

I like my RR 2-stage a lot. I prefer a 2 stage for target work, because I can take up the slack and make sure I am where I want to be when it goes bang. I can feel the tension on the 2nd stage, but I imagine some are a little different. The adjustable RSA in my Saiga is just as good.

For the ultimate, the double trigger on my muzzle loader is the shizzle. Set the front and then don't even breath on the rear 'cause it will go bang!

[wonderwolf]

When I shot on the state team I used just a stock Armalite NM trigger 2 stage...Cleaned it up real well with brake cleaner and put some thick snot in there to keep it slick. I honestly don't realize its a 2 stage when I'm shooting it, its become that natural...Take up that 1st stage Hold then start on the 2nd stage. After the shot I keep the trigger to the rear and breath out...then I let the trigger forward so it "clicks in" this helps establish a good rythym esp during rapid fire drills.


I have the same trigger on my Varmint set up...mostly to keep things consistant. IMHO a 2 stage is safer, smoother and contributes to accuracy. I would not put a single stage target trigger on a semi auto but thats just me :jumping:

[jfowl31]

yeah... Ive had 2-stages, and just dont prefer them.... I can find 2-stage NM triggers anywhere for $100 and less... Im looking for a good bargain on a SINGLE-stage match trigger.

Thanks for the input and everything guys, but Im fairly set on what I want to buy, just dont know what brand and from whom.

[texlurch]

Maybe you should try working on your existing trigger. Some polishing and lighter springs did wonders on my single stage in the 16" AR.

Might want to look at how Superior Arms does their overtravel screw also, that way you have a clean, short break. It would be easy enough to drill and tap into an existing lower.

[GearShanty]

Bill Springfield did the trigger on my Bushmaster. It feels as good or better than most aftermarket triggers I've tried.

[rep30cal]

The lockup notch on the hammer is small, stone it "Carefully".
The trigger parts can be stoned through the hardened part
real easy and or stoned off angle, allowing the hammer to
fall if the rifle is bumped. Keep the notches as square as you
possibly can. I've seen trigger parts that have beaten them-
selves into submission because the hardened part was removed
allowing the soft under metal to be beat against each other and
be ruined in a couple of hundred rounds. I wish I would have
saved the hammers from the last three "home trigger jobs" that
rescued, truely accidents looking for a place to happen. One guy
even had one that would fire when the bolt was dropped.