Finally, some reson dawngin on the BS of man-made global warming...

[SteelCore]

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Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics

Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New Research

Following the U.S. Senate's vote today on a global warming measure (see today's AP article: Senate Defeats Climate Change Measure,) it is an opportune time to examine the recent and quite remarkable momentum shift taking place in climate science. Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics.
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SOme quotes from the scientists:

"Allegre now calls fears of a climate disaster "simplistic and obscuring the true dangers” mocks "the greenhouse-gas fanatics whose proclamations consist in denouncing man's role on the climate without doing anything about it except organizing conferences and preparing protocols that become dead letters." "

"Wiskel now says “the truth has to start somewhere.” Noting that the Earth has been warming for 18,000 years, Wiskel told the Canadian newspaper, “If this happened once and we were the cause of it, that would be cause for concern. But glaciers have been coming and going for billions of years." Wiskel also said that global warming has gone "from a science to a religion” and noted that research money is being funneled into promoting climate alarmism instead of funding areas he considers more worthy. "If you funnel money into things that can't be changed, the money is not going into the places that it is needed,” he said."

""Solar activity can explain a large part of the 20th-century global warming" ... Shaviv noted pointing to the impact cosmic- rays have on the atmosphere. According to the National Post, Shaviv believes that even a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere by 2100 "will not dramatically increase the global temperature." “Even if we halved the CO2 output, and the CO2 increase by 2100 would be, say, a 50% increase relative to today instead of a doubled amount, the expected reduction in the rise of global temperature would be less than 0.5C. This is not significant"

"...each one of us realized that things just don't add up to support the AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) picture. So many had to change their views..."

Now, a damning quote on the motivation --greed:
"Evans noted how he benefited from climate fears as a scientist. “And the political realm in turn fed money back into the scientific community. By the late 1990's, lots of jobs depended on the idea that carbon emissions caused global warming. Many of them were bureaucratic, but there were a lot of science jobs created too. I was on that gravy train, making a high wage in a science job that would not have existed if we didn't believe carbon emissions caused global warming."

So, much as the BS surrounding recycling jobs for easily renewable resources (like paper--uses more energy to recycle than to get more pulp), they did it for the money. go figure.

Dear scientists:
Thanks for realizing what we geoscientists have known for decades.
Luv,
Steely.

[Rampager]

This has been my theory also. I don't doubt that global warming is happening to some degree but, 1 I'm not convinced it's anything man has done, and 2 I don't think there is anything we could do to change it if it is happening.

How do we know this isn't a natural phenomenon? Ice ages (there have been many) come and go. The earth has been warming from the last ice age for thousands of years. Man walked across the Bering strait and mammoths walked in is what is now the North sea. This can't happen now because of glaciers melting, raising sea levels. Something has to spark these cycles and it wasn't man that did it in the past.

I'm wondering if this (heating and cooling) isn't caused by sun spot cycles or something of the like too that take place over such a long time that we can't begin to comprehend it.

[MID]

Heres some intersting thing that the man made global warming cult has failed to mention.

#1 the temp of mars as also been rising at a similar rate as earth.
So does that mean the 300-400 pounds of junk we put there, has changed its temp?

#2 A single volcanic eruption can release more co2 and sulphur dioxide, then man has put out in its entire existence.

[k98k792]

When I was in high school all the great men of science said we were going into another ice age. I have been keeping an eye out. So far so good.

[rustypirate]

Everything on our planet is cyclic. These things come and go over millions and billions of years. Heck as far as we know, the earth may just be recovering from the last Ice Age, and returning to a normal temp.

[SteelCore]

is that we're in:
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[Nazgul]

Wait boys! It gets even better with this one! No longer is GW to blame for the warming...That's right it's JAWS's fault! That's right the Warming Nuts have finally decided to "Jump the Shark" in a last ditch attempt to coerse the rest of us that geologic time started and will end with the Baby-Boom generation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/04/wildlife.climatechange

[hunter_la5]

woohoo! it's about time.
I've been feeling like a loner here at OU, sometimes I think I'm the only student here who thinks man-made global warming and the whole green movement is BS. I can't tell you how many times my professors have gone completely off topic in their lectures to talk about global warming and why we should all drive hybrids... :rolleyes:

speaking of recycling, Penn and Teller did a good episode on that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAuU5JjRyQ&feature=related (pt 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2MfYqJgAI (pt 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtex699GyEc&feature=related (pt 3)

[nowhereman]

So can we have our money back for the Cow Fart experiments? Hehe, no I never bought into the global warming issue. I was with the skeptics from day 1. I remember when the issue first came up scientist looked at ice core samples and said up front the earth's environmental conditions "temps" have fluctuated back and forth as far back as they could tell.

[brewskzilla]

So can we have our money back for the Cow Fart experiments? Hehe, no I never bought into the global warming issue. I was with the skeptics from day 1. I remember when the issue first came up scientist looked at ice core samples and said up front the earth's environmental conditions "temps" have fluctuated back and forth as far back as they could tell.


Oh, come on... The Cow Fart Experiments were worth every penny for sheer entertainment value. Apparently, the scientists forgot that there are many other larger animals out there that fart, too. But they blamed it on the cows? What did some insane guy with a fart-o-meter walk around the world sticking that thing up animal's butts to figure out which animal had the most dangerous farts? If that's the case, then the white man's destruction of the buffalo herds on the great plains could have been done in the name of preserving the environment!!!:thumbup:

[nowhereman]

Oh, come on... The Cow Fart Experiments were worth every penny for sheer entertainment value. Apparently, the scientists forgot that there are many other larger animals out there that fart, too. But they blamed it on the cows? What did some insane guy with a fart-o-meter walk around the world sticking that thing up animal's butts to figure out which animal had the most dangerous farts? If that's the case, then the white man's destruction of the buffalo herds on the great plains could have been done in the name of preserving the environment!!!:thumbup:

Your right, the Cow flatulence stories did give everyone a chuckle... I don't think it was a fart-o-meter, they just held a lighter to there ass.. You know blue flame, blue flame w/ some yellow... Precise data....

[pigpen]

Cow farts are bad. While I was riding today, I was messin with the cows, trying to pen one of them. Well, I got him stuck in the corner of the arena and as I was holding him there he let one go!! I don't know what affect it had on global warming but it sure burnt the hairs in my nose. I'm use to the smell of horse farts but this was 10x's worse than any of those! It was straight from the cow hole to my snout. I guess that's what I get for messin with him! If I can talk my bro-in-law into it, he will be h-burgers & steaks in a year or so. Then I'll be making farts with him!

Here is a pic of my horse:Spot

[Otis61]

Nice horse. I love paints. When I was a kid we had 6 horses. 4 were paints. Very fond of them.

I've always doubted that global warning thing. Mainly because it brought to the for front by Democrats. But also because it seemed to me that they were trying to start some kind of panic, or hestaria.

[nowhereman]

If I can talk my bro-in-law into it, he will be h-burgers & steaks in a year or so. Then I'll be making farts with him!


Thats pretty funny!

[cfish]

Ok but you all do know that most of the methane a cow expels comes from its mouth not its a$# er rear? I only know this cause it was what I did in college. We use to place cows in a metabolic chamber and collect all forms of excrement talk about your shitty jobs. I went to classes often with cow poop all over my Justin ropers that was always good for a few laughs.

[RandyCOG3]

I've got to give a +1 to all the preceding posts in this thread.
Do you all know what they are finding at the bases of the glaciers that are melting in a worrisome (to them) fashion?
TREE STUMPS.
Do you think the dweebs understand why elephants are the size that they are? The same reason that nobody comes here to FL to hunt trophy deer, simple thermodynamics....elephants are SMALL descendants of mastodons/mammoths.....
The larger is the mass of an object, the slower it loses heat, as a percentage...the cold-water Bluefin tuna is very efficient, thermally, and runs maybe 1500 lbs, and hangs out in COLD WATER..and NOBODY would worry about FA /Class 3 stuff if the bobcat I recently saw near here was as long as my Jeep and had "Saber Tooth's"....
I've got a creek in the back yard, and, indeedy, there are large, toothy, lizard-like things in thar...themselves and insects are the only examples of... WHAT? Things that can't.. do... WHAT? Adapt to climactic changes.
I'm awfully glad that I'm not a HS teacher or college professor, because I'd be whacking my naive' students with yardsticks, because they mostly seem to be predisposed to stupidity. Note that I did NOT say "meter stick".
Methinks that I can solve a goodly percentage of this country's problems, if I can just get the rest of the country to understand this: THERE SHOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS A TENURED TEACHING JOB BEYOND THE AGE WHERE THE AVERAGE STUDENT ISN'T CRAPPING HIS OR HER PANTS.
If you can't teach the curricullum, OUT YOU GO. Nobody ought to give a sh1t about your personal thoughts, period.
Outlaw teacher's unions, and, Presto! Feeble-minded people don't get to foist their BS on young, impressionable people. We ALL have to carry a certain amount of overhead, a burden, if you will, for those that can't do for themselves.
But, it's total BS to just let everybody that failed to get themselves fired in the first X years of their job, to have a free ride until they get too old, or die.. to do just whatever in Hell pops into their minds, and offer it up as "fact" to young, impressionable people, as "fact".....at OUR expense.

RandyCOG3

[pigpen]

Ok but you all do know that most of the methane a cow expels comes from its mouth not its a$# er rear? I only know this cause it was what I did in college. We use to place cows in a metabolic chamber and collect all forms of excrement talk about your shitty jobs. I went to classes often with cow poop all over my Justin ropers that was always good for a few laughs.


I bet that sucked when you were trying to talk to the ladies!!

My self has never been a beleiver in the G.W. mumbo-jumbo. Like another said, when liberals champion a cause I'm usually leary of what ever it is. I disagree with libs on everything else, why break a perfect record?

[MicroPilot]

...Do you all know what they are finding at the bases of the glaciers that are melting in a worrisome (to them) fashion?
TREE STUMPS...RandyCOG3

The rest of your post I understood, but can't figure out what the significance of the tree stumps is?

Can you explain?

[pigpen]

The rest of your post I understood, but can't figure out what the significance of the tree stumps is?

Can you explain?

I think he means that there used to be trees where it is now cold.

[redleg17]

Oh, come on... The Cow Fart Experiments were worth every penny for sheer entertainment value.

I love the cow fart data. I used to quote this great stat from one of my gear-head magazines about how much more cows pollute than cars without emission regulations. There was even better ones about how a single inter-continental flight from A to B (I can't remember) was worse than all the cars in the country driving for a year or something. I'll try to locate the exact info but its some pretty convincing stuff on how useless emission regs are.

[pgp888se]

i have made the statement many times.

"i dont think we (man) have been on the planet long enough to understand hardly anything about its long term climate patterns.we notice a rise in tempurature,there must be a reason,nobody considers that maybe,just maybe it might be normal for the earth the cycle through tempurature changes?"

there are alot of things about our planet man has no clue about.and as i heard on the discovery channel the other night "nature will always win".

[MicroPilot]

I remember reading an article about how aircraft were respsonsible for cloud cover. Basically, post 9/11 when the planes were all grounded, a scientist studied how clouds formed from the few flights that were allowed. The jet exhaust was the catalyst for creating high cirrus clouds. It was pretty amazing looking at the pics of the lone jets exhaust trail over the eastern US turning into a cloud that covered most of Virginia and the Carolinas.

Heres some links to similiar research:

NASA post 9/11 contrail study (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/020522074456.htm)

Also on this page are other links to studies related to this.

[cfish]

Actually Micropilot they where doing studies on this long before 9/11. They, NOAA, leased a 757 freight plane and went off the coast of California in the early 90's and proceeded to fly in circles and they were able to create a large cloud formation that became a thunderstorm that traveled to Missouri before dissipating. Pilots for many years prior to these experiments took notice that major intersections in the sky were contrails overlapped in large numbers seemed to form into weather systems. It was on these observations that NOAA took notice and began experimenting.

[MicroPilot]

In the articles it mentions other research along these lines. I didn't see any reference to that experiment though.

[rifleman]

My geo-sciences teacher last semester said that the global warming is actually keeping the planet cooler. that if solved crops would dry and deserts would grow, etc.. so why fix it. and can we really do anything aout it now?

[cfish]

Micropilot,
The statement about tree stumps is factual. Something that the AGW folks don't want you to know is that in greenland where the ice is melting they are actually finding fields that were once plowed and planted. They actually found farm impliments dating from the time of the Vikings. These fields have been covered in ice for hundreds of years. Heres something else to take notice of. In 1945 at the very end of WWII 5 P38 lightning fighters and 1 B17 left the US coast enroute to England when they ran out of gas and crashed landed on an ice covered area of Greenland. Fast forward to 1987 Pat Epps who is a friend of mine and other investors set out to find these planes for recovery. They found them all right 226 feet under ice. Almost a football field deep in ice. Wow global warming huh. So you see that the earth has been going through tramatic environmental changes all by itself with no interference from humanoids. The depth of ice covering those planes is still over 150 feet today. So if you do the math in the span of 100 years an area increased and decreased the level of ice back to its original levels long before AGW had any effect on it. How many times has this earth been covered in snow only to completely melt and then re freeze. Why do you think there are sea shells high up in the Rockies of Colorado and Canada? It was once surrounded by ocean long before man ever walked on this earth. It will probably be surrounded again all part of the natural cycle.

[SteelCore]

I saw pix of those planes when they unearthed them (un-iced them?)

"They actually found farm impliments dating from the time of the Vikings."

True dat. from about the 1100s to the 1450's there was a mini-ice age. There was a reason greenland was called greenland by the vikings in the 800s. it was green. So was much of Iceland.

[Big Steve]

Sucks to be Al Gore! First we found out he didn't invent the internet, Now This!
Steve

[MicroPilot]

I was watching a TV news magazine the other day, and they were talking about Al Gore and his "Inconveneint Truth" docuscam. Anyways the opening shot flying over the ocean and then over an icefield is CG. %100 pure fantasy that was created for a TV disaster movie.

[hunter_la5]

Sucks to be Al Gore! First we found out he didn't invent the internet, Now This!
Steve

I think Al Gore did "invent" global warming :jerkoff:

[nowhereman]

I was watching a TV news magazine the other day, and they were talking about Al Gore and his "Inconveneint Truth" docuscam. Anyways the opening shot flying over the ocean and then over an icefield is CG. %100 pure fantasy that was created for a TV disaster movie.

Yes it was straight from that movie The Day After Tomorrow...

[SteelCore]

This is creating more Carbon dioxide, Monoxide, and greenhouse gases than the past 100 yrs of the industrial revolution.

Chaiten volcano, south america (Chile):

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/05/04/volcano_wideweb__470x321,0.jpg
http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/6e02cee9-972f-4379-b3aa-2f8965320a4e_mn.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/05/03/volcano_narrowweb__300x459,0.jpg
http://www.timesofmalta.com/media/serve/20080503---wor_04.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00667/v1_667727c.jpg
http://www.stuff.co.nz/images/721001.jpg
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w17/img.206997_t.jpg


Great satellite pic here.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/volcano/stromboli.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.intlvrc.org/cerupt.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=180&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=XIAjy3YxTt5GpM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3DChaiten%2Bvolcano%2B%26start%3D20%26n dsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN


Latest Chaiten NOAA satellite pic...

[SteelCore]

The lighting storm pix on it are awesome!

[robocop10mm]

GW is why Maine had record snowfall this winter. Oops, I meant Global cooling. 40 degree nights in Austin TX in mid May? OMG! I do not remember nights that cool that late into the year in the last 24 years!

Europe has more trees now than 400 years ago. The locals used wood to heat their homes back then. But now the scientists have said that trees are contributing to GW. WTF! I thought trees turned CO2 into Oxygen. You mean Oxygen is a greenhouse gas, too? I guess using their logic, anything that is not solid or liquid must be a greenhouse gas? Oh, that's right, logic does not come into play with these morons...er scientists.

Al Gore could single handedly stop the trend by shutting his yap to stop his own emissions of CO2.

[bthroneburg]

Yea...to throw a big wrench in GW thing and to go along with the Maine record snow fall and all....there was a news artical, that just happened not to be in any report by the "big news people" (not to say names but their intials are CNN) influanced by the global warming geeks, that had a scientific study showing that the ice is thicker at the earths poles today than there was in 1978....go figure. Must be getting awfully hot for the ice to thicken...huh.

[SteelCore]

WTF indeed!

Ah, libtards. They've cried 'the sky is falling' so much, they believe their own shite...they're re-inventing reality to fit the mold of their beliefs.

There's a word for that...delusional.