Fal double tap

[automick]

Went to the range on thursday to test fire my son inlaws cetme build.
I took the fal to let him try it..I shot 10 rnds then let him shoot.
On about his 3rd round we heard bang bang...hmn..thats strange.
then a bout 4rnds later it did it again..bang bang...the fal went back in the case and got locked in the car real quick.
I have checked the firing pin and spring...both seem good...and clean.
What gives with the double tap on a fal.?
thanks....auto.

[Nazgul]

Check the trigger return spring too.

[tump]

from what position were you firing from? sometimes if your shooting from a rest and have a loose grip they will bump fire on you.:icon_biggrin:

[drine]

WOW! Something to do with the trigger for sure, BUT is it mechanical defect or man-made? I agree, you got to watch how he's holding it. If both of you had fired it and it happened, the mechanical part would come in to play. I'm no FAL owner or expert but like most other battle rifles, the a spring or worn or broken contact area on the hammer or sear would (99%) have to be the issue.
Looking forward to hearing what you find.

[Evilblackgunsrfun]

better pull her apart for a good internal inspection, most fal's are a tad to heavy to bump fire, but IMHO its internal

[jerrymrc]

Because of the lack of the "safety sear" all it takes is a little dirt and they will double tap.

Need some background. What HTS in it? Has it been worked on? what hammer spring and has it been cut? Do you have the Falcon kit in it?

What/who's FAL is it? Century, DSA, Hesse etc. There were a few of the early FSE sets that had some issues.

For those that have Fal's depending on the make and round count of the HTS along with the work done you need to be aware that sometimes you need to revisit the HS engagement down the road. The lack of the safety sear puts the US legal Fal's at risk of the double tap.

I had one DSA set that I had to clean up at the 3000 rd mark.

[rduckwor]

I too had this issue recently, though only from a off-hand shooting position. Not from the bench.

I replaced the fire control parts with Falcon parts (springs and HTS). The difference between the Falcon hammer and the DSA hammer was dramatic. The DSA hammer had what can best be described as a "slit" for the sear to catch while the Falcon hammer has more of a "shelf".

Haven't yet had the chance to go to the range, but I hope this will remedy the doubling issue.

Pix below: Falcon hammer on the left, DSA on the right.

Good Luck,

RMD

http://www.fototime.com/5441ABA0B311916/standard.jpg

EDIT:

Just got back from the range. Test fired the FAL with the Falcon HTS and spring set. No more doubles!

RMD

[M1 Tanker]

I agree with the post above. I would check to make sure the firing pin spring is intact and not missing a rings though, but to be sure I would buy a new spring. Where was your selector? I remember the guy getting in trouble with ATF because he has a FAL that double tapped while the selector was in the auto position. ATF tested it using commericial ammo. I believe Len Savage worked for the defense on this one and found it was a damaged firing pin spring. When I read that, I ordered semi auto selectors for my FALs.

[automick]

It has the falcon arms hts set. on looking it over i noticed a little wear.
and also some greasy crud...dont know where it came from.!
Im gona try it again with blanks in the garage and also try the original hts
to try and rule somthing out.
BTW...the double taps were on a led sled dft rest.
Thanks for the input...will let you know the outcome.
atb....auto.

[Evilblackgunsrfun]

rduck, the DSA groove looks like its pressed into the metal ,you can see the swelled up material above the groove, which is not good, it can ride right over the notch

[KMURPHY]

I agree with the aforementioned possibilities, but did the ammo possibly have soft primers?

[rduckwor]

rduck, the DSA groove looks like its pressed into the metal ,you can see the swelled up material above the groove, which is not good, it can ride right over the notch

Yeah, it definitely looks bunged up. I WAS NOT IMPRESSED WHEN I FOUND THAT PIECE OF WORK. I may well try to ship them back and ask for an explanation.

RMD

[rduckwor]

I agree with the aforementioned possibilities, but did the ammo possibly have soft primers?

No. FN Belgian surplus stuff from Aim Surplus. Doubtful they were soft. At least not commercial soft.

RMD

[KMURPHY]

No. FN Belgian surplus stuff from Aim Surplus. Doubtful they were soft. At least not commercial soft.

RMD

The FN primers would be A-OK. I just was not clear on the ammo used and thought it was worth mentioning.

[rduckwor]

The FN primers would be A-OK. I just was not clear on the ammo used and thought it was worth mentioning.


Good Point. I thought about that as well.

Thanks for helping troubleshoot.

RMD