muzzle preference?

[Karl E. Hungus]

im wondering whether or not i want to replace my CIA muzzle brake with the flashhider. other than cosmetic, will this make very much of a difference?

i know right now its loud... like, loud loud... distort my vision loud. will the change be any more ear freindly? what about felt recoil? rifle value? thanks yall.

[jfowl31]

The change... recoil will increase, sound will decrease, rifle value will probably be increased if the parts count stays right.

I like the loud MB, and I certainly can't complain about having such low recoil that I can see my hits in the scope.

I dont think youll feel a whole lot of difference changing it out recoil wise, but obviously it will increase a little.

A bayonet will fit better too. We had a poll on CR.com, and it was about 60-40 in favor of FH's if I remember right. I like the boom! But I also love the look of the FH. Id like to have both and be able to screw on whichever I was in the mood for.

[rustypirate]

some have reported that the CAI muzzle break makes the rifle louder than the flash hider.

One of the biggest things to consider in replacing it is that it is counted as a compliance part for 922r. which means that the CAI break is a US made compliance part, and if it is replaced, then it must be replaced with a US made part, or some other imported compliance part must be replaced with US made one.

See the sticky posts for a full description of 922r and the list of compliance parts.

[hunter_la5]

I recently changed my muzzle brake out for a FH

the recoil is no different as far as i can tell, but the muzzle blast, sound, and shockwave are definately reduced. and the bayonet fits better as well.

overall, I think it looks alot better too (which was my main reason for changing)

I'm glad I changed them out.

the only thing I will miss is the turning heads at the range, and the "what the hell was that?" (from the shockwave/noise)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/hunter_la5/bayofh.jpg

[LostInTexas]

If you decide to change it out and want an easy way to stay compliant, check with sweee here on the boards or the for sale section. I think he still has some US made FHs that look GREAT!

Here's the link:
http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=71&highlight=brake

[hunter_la5]

Icheck with sweee here on the boards or the for sale section. I think he still has some US made FHs that look GREAT!

+1 that's what I have, its fantastic. worth every penny

[Hoot]

I designed a muzzle brake that looks like a Vortex FH for mine and a fellow that goes by JFK machined it for me. It reduces muzzle climb more than actual recoil as the .308 is not prone to rocket effect as much as heavier, magnum calibers. Any way, if you like the looks of the standard FH, but like the reduction in muzzle climb of a brake, there was an outfit that made a muzzle brake from a flash hider by what appeared to be welding a constrictive orifice just inside the end of the flash hider. Though not as effective as a muzzle brake designed to do the job regardless of looks, which the award goes to the Smith Enterprises if you can still get them, the FH look-alike muzzle brake is a good compromise. My Vortex looking brake make the rifle look a little "Mall Ninjish, but I designed it, prototyped it out of aluminum to verify that it worked and that adds a small bit of me to the gun. What's really cool is putting it on the FR8 since they share the same threads, it really tames the recoil and jump of the FR8, much more so than on the CETME. No doubt because the autoloading action cycling on the CETME already draws down the recoil significantly.

Hoot

[Smokehouse69]

I got one of Swee's brakes and I am extremely pleased with it. It looks great and is made in the USA! :America:

[Rampager]

I was one of the unlucky ones with my Cetme (Limited Edition with cast SS receiver). After I took the Century MB off the threads were different than the original FH's. I think this was due to Century using a new US made barrel on these. But I think about 90% of Century Cetmes use the standard barrel thread.

[Hoot]

I was one of the unlucky ones with my Cetme (Limited Edition with cast SS receiver). After I took the Century MB off the threads were different than the original FH's. I think this was due to Century using a new US made barrel on these. But I think about 90% of Century Cetmes use the standard barrel thread.

I've heard of that happening. What is the thread you wound up with if not 15x1?

Hoot

[Rampager]

I've heard of that happening. What is the thread you wound up with if not 15x1?

Hoot

9/16 I believe.

[The Great 308]

Personally I hate the Century loudner. I hate the looks of it as well as the noise.

IGF makes US made flash hiders and brakes and also the four prong flash hiders. I think that there is currently a waiting list but if you call Jason at IGF he should be able to give you a time frame on these. I have one of the press on versions of the muzzle brake on one of my PTR91s and it works great.

http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/igfproducts.htm

Also as mentioned sweee who is a member on this board makes a really nice US made flash hider.

JFK is a member on both HKpro.com and HKweaponsystems.com and as mentioned he does excellent work. Although I have never bought any of his flash hiders I did buy one of his US made MSG90A cocking tubes and it is very well made.

[Trueno]

IGF makes US made flash hiders and brakes and also the four prong flash hiders. I think that there is currently a waiting list but if you call Jason at IGF he should be able to give you a time frame on these. I have one of the press on versions of the muzzle brake on one of my PTR91s and it works great.

I have a 91K that went through the IGF treatment, it has the 4-prong flash hider on it, the 4-inch version. First few rounds out of the gun and I thought my ears were ringing. Sure, it's loud as heck but hey...I've got earplugs in(?)
Realized where the ringing was comin' from when I accidently touched the hider to the carpet on the bench, the sound stopped immediately.

Anybody that has one knows what I'm talkin' about when I mention the "tuning fork" characteristics of this particular FH. Might be annoying to some but even some of the fudds at the range get a kick out've it...they just don't get along too well with the initial 'bang' :wink:

+1 on the "what the hell is that thing?" Even the .270 and 8mm crowd gets a lil shook up :icon_biggrin:

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[robocop10mm]

DTA Mil-Brake. Way cool. No muzzle jump. Quiet Brake. Flash hider. If only they were easy to find.

[dirty8]

Personally I hate the Century loudner. I hate the looks of it as well as the noise.

IGF makes US made flash hiders and brakes and also the four prong flash hiders. I think that there is currently a waiting list but if you call Jason at IGF he should be able to give you a time frame on these. I have one of the press on versions of the muzzle brake on one of my PTR91s and it works great.

http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/igfproducts.htm

Also as mentioned sweee who is a member on this board makes a really nice US made flash hider.

JFK is a member on both HKpro.com and HKweaponsystems.com and as mentioned he does excellent work. Although I have never bought any of his flash hiders I did buy one of his US made MSG90A cocking tubes and it is very well made.


Hi Everyone, JFK here. I don't remember why I couldn't use the screen name JFK, so I used my email address instead, dirty8. I've been working on some different projects and will have something HK related within a week or so. Unfortunately keeping up with the boards is hard, not like in the old days of grabbing the Shotgun News and lathering over some of the cool stuff and tossing the paper near the crapper.

I got a new indexing table and I plan to play make some different muzzle brakes/flash hiders with it. The 91 board is almost dead, not much going on there. Nice to see some of the members here.

I'm also considering an MSG90/hybrid build in the near future and plan to take pics to make a "how to build it thread". Take Care! Jimmy K. (JFK)

[Buzz]

My new Cetme has an unthreaded barrel. I will have the barrel threaded. What thread should I have done to have the largest choice of breaks and hiders?

[okie shooter]

There is the barrel threading kit on this site, taps the barrel back to the orginal specification. Not sure if that what you want but its one option.

Heres the link

http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=4071#post4071

[Buzz]

There is the barrel threading kit on this site, taps the barrel back to the orginal specification. Not sure if that what you want but its one option.

Heres the link

http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=4071#post4071

Thanks. I think I'm looking for the thread that would offer me the most options. Original specs aren't really a consideration.

[SteelCore]

You can tell by the ALL CAPS above!:rockon:

Used it since I got the CETME in 2003, and I do like the brake for shooting. I think if you're a hard-core collector, you might want the original style to say you've got it, but I a;ready have kind of a 'franken-CETME' -- mod C frame, HK wood buttstock, CETME Mod B forend and bipod, CAI Brake...you get the picture.

[Hoot]

Thanks. I think I'm looking for the thread that would offer me the most options. Original specs aren't really a consideration.

15x1mm RH

Hoot

[cbear]

I did something that's a little different. I posted this on the old form.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/cbears/CETME/IMGP1279.jpg
I asked David Saylor if he'd make one threaded for a CETME, and it was no problem. I'm sure it doesn't agree with everyone.
http://saylorsmachine.com/parts/firearm_components.html

[jfowl31]

Dont those "twisting" hole muzzle brakes/ FH's have to have the same twist rate as the bullet? I thought they were just specifically made for certain rifles with the correct twist rate on the holes, but that could be something my mind is making up.

If you are just talking about wanting some threads on the end to make it a versatile threading so you can screw on whatever, Id probably go with a standard threading, and make it to where you could screw on a can or a FH, or a MB. 9/16 would probably work just fine, and you could find a bunch of options from sources making MB/FH's that thread them in that.

[97th Signalman]

I use the IGF MB that looks like the standard CETME FH but is actually an effective MB. It is US made so it helps with parts count for 922 compliance. One downside is that it is slightly oversized and the bayonet won't fit.

[SteelCore]

Those are some neat lookin FHs!

I wonder if they make those in 14x1LH teist for AKs... or mebbe this one for an AK:

http://saylorsmachine.com/parts/compsmall.jpg