okie shooter
05-21-2007, 02:58 PM
Ok after getting hit by the "box o truth" quotes on another list, and after explaining why you dont expect mags to be bullet proof vests, but they might still save a life, I did more reading on that site, and found this test.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot34.htm on bullet proof wall board, and the fact it stoped a 22 cal bullet but didnt stop anything above level II protection.
But the thing the box o truth guys dont tell you, or even bother to research is what level that one peice of wall board gives you
go to this page, and they explain if you want greater than level I protection you need to do what, hmmm use more laminates of the stuff.
http://www.usbulletproofing.com/USBPProductarmor.htm
def of levels of protection
http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml
Better source on ballistic testing and protection levels,
http://www.insulgard.com/shapes/insulgard/protection.htm
Thus with some money and the willingness to make stuff look bad or good, I can do testing to make it look either way.(box o truth shot at one layer of the stuff, it passed level I and failed anything stronger, hmmm what one layer is designed to do, wonder why, but they called bs on the idea of bullet proof wall board, without looking further into it or even doing a little investigation, which I did and took me just a few minutes on line)
Thus folks take these guys to be the experts, and they dont even think about testing or doing more research on the subjects.(we get what we pay them for on this sort of testing, nothing, if paid they would do more home work, they work with donations of stuff to test for the most part)
The same stuff happens on myth busters, the one I like to think about is trying to break the rear axle out of a cop car like in american grefetti, the problem is they tried it on a six link rear suspension off a ninties police car, not a simple leaf spring set up on a fifties police car, the steels alone are far better in modern cars, plus the actual engineering design is totaly different. Thus it does take some homework to realize you are comparing apples to grapefruits. Thus like they said in the sixties, with a slight twist, "question test results authority" just because some one does it and quantifies it, it still may not be vaild.
Remember consumer reports, has had two black eyes from testing on cars, where they had to be sued before retracting disparishing statments, on roll over, because in one test, the operator had to turn the stearing wheel ninty degrees instantally on the highway, then release it to create the condition they flunked the car on, and with the geos almost the same thing was true, not things you have happen every day, or within you life time.
P.S. Take what they write with a grain of salt, they retest the dammaged products with no regard, look at the bullet proof glass test, they keep shooting it and finaly get penetration with a 12 ga steel slug, but hitting a spot already delaminated(I am not sure if bullet proof glass can stand up to 12 ga steel slugs though, the heaviest thing listed to test against is suplmental shotgun, lead slugs). If the test was proper, each projectile would be against a virgin plate, not against one already having been hit with more and more shots.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot34.htm on bullet proof wall board, and the fact it stoped a 22 cal bullet but didnt stop anything above level II protection.
But the thing the box o truth guys dont tell you, or even bother to research is what level that one peice of wall board gives you
go to this page, and they explain if you want greater than level I protection you need to do what, hmmm use more laminates of the stuff.
http://www.usbulletproofing.com/USBPProductarmor.htm
def of levels of protection
http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml
Better source on ballistic testing and protection levels,
http://www.insulgard.com/shapes/insulgard/protection.htm
Thus with some money and the willingness to make stuff look bad or good, I can do testing to make it look either way.(box o truth shot at one layer of the stuff, it passed level I and failed anything stronger, hmmm what one layer is designed to do, wonder why, but they called bs on the idea of bullet proof wall board, without looking further into it or even doing a little investigation, which I did and took me just a few minutes on line)
Thus folks take these guys to be the experts, and they dont even think about testing or doing more research on the subjects.(we get what we pay them for on this sort of testing, nothing, if paid they would do more home work, they work with donations of stuff to test for the most part)
The same stuff happens on myth busters, the one I like to think about is trying to break the rear axle out of a cop car like in american grefetti, the problem is they tried it on a six link rear suspension off a ninties police car, not a simple leaf spring set up on a fifties police car, the steels alone are far better in modern cars, plus the actual engineering design is totaly different. Thus it does take some homework to realize you are comparing apples to grapefruits. Thus like they said in the sixties, with a slight twist, "question test results authority" just because some one does it and quantifies it, it still may not be vaild.
Remember consumer reports, has had two black eyes from testing on cars, where they had to be sued before retracting disparishing statments, on roll over, because in one test, the operator had to turn the stearing wheel ninty degrees instantally on the highway, then release it to create the condition they flunked the car on, and with the geos almost the same thing was true, not things you have happen every day, or within you life time.
P.S. Take what they write with a grain of salt, they retest the dammaged products with no regard, look at the bullet proof glass test, they keep shooting it and finaly get penetration with a 12 ga steel slug, but hitting a spot already delaminated(I am not sure if bullet proof glass can stand up to 12 ga steel slugs though, the heaviest thing listed to test against is suplmental shotgun, lead slugs). If the test was proper, each projectile would be against a virgin plate, not against one already having been hit with more and more shots.