LEOs find more guns

[RicePaddyDaddy]

http://www.wrex.com/Global/story.asp?S=13036914

That grenade will cost him.

[Buddymack]

This is showing to be more and more of an unlawful search and seizure tactic to me, I had a grenade as a kid that was inactivated I have seen them many times even at flea markets, was it live? is it already destroyed?
I refuse to let police be used to enforce a police state and the police should also be careful what they are doing to, much like the officers who enforced the situation in Waco years ago...I love and respect the officers of this country but we need to keep them and the powers to be in check, this country was not founded on never questioning authority.

[wandering_ronin]

I love this line: "The collection then included pots, pans, and newspapers." As in "WTF???"

[ace522]

Aside from the grenade, I'm finding it hard to imagine anything this guy did is illegal. Yeah, he had a lot of guns, but as far as I know there is no limit as to how many one can own. I have to echo Buddy's concern, and wonder if it's deactivated or not. So far, this case is very much "guilty until proven innocent".

[Global Gunsmithing]

I`d bet money that the grenade was a dummy, the cops like to "hype" it up for the press, sad part is, if its a dummy grenade, and all the guns are legit, they will have to give them back, and you sure wont hear about that in the news

[Buddymack]

Pots and Pans .....never mind that evil #&$$**** ......hang him!

[okie shooter]

I seriously doubt that formal charges would be sworn against him, as almost any cop or police armorer, or such could qualify a real vs a inert grenade. Thus, I imagine the man is in some deep poo.

[M1 Tanker]

Back up, what led to the initial search warrent where they found the grenade? He was in trouble for something before they found it.

[Nazgul]

I seriously doubt that formal charges would be sworn against him, as almost any cop or police armorer, or such could qualify a real vs a inert grenade. Thus, I imagine the man is in some deep poo.

Your kidding right Okie?! The ATF track record on "machine guns" would counter your suggestion.

[MicroPilot]

Back up, what led to the initial search warrent where they found the grenade? He was in trouble for something before they found it.

This is the guy whose house was being burglarized, the police showed up, couldn't locate the property owner, went in to secure the house, discovered his collection and started carting it of "for safe keeping". Apparently they now say they found a grenade in his collection and used that as the reason for the further search and for issuing a warrant for his arrest.

Here is the initial story: http://www.wrex.com/Global/story.asp?S=12961730
and the follow up later in the day: http://www.wrex.com/Global/story.asp?S=12964821

[rudrules]

Our country is going to Sh!t in a hurry!

We must act quickly to Vote out the liberals and non patriots that are running our Country to the ground, and put American veterans and patriots to run our Country, to represent and protect our rights and our constitution and Godly morals that made this Country the best one in the WORLD!

If you want to change our Country to how it was where ever you came from than you should go back to that place.

I still cant believe that McCain did nor get elected!

That tells you that there are lots of not so smart people in our Country!

I would not be surprised if we do the same stupid thing this coming election!

:America::2pistol:

[RandyCOG3]

The article called it a grenade "round", so.......well, that's mighty ambiguous, since we don't know if the author knew what she was writing about, since she was probably going off of a PD press release anyhow. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean it's not inert. How often do cops find a "live" explosive, and not immediately cart it off somewhere, and blow it up, and spread it all over the news? If it were live, they're not keeping it in the Evidence Room under the courthouse, you can bet your ass on that.

I'd like to know more about the authoress of that article... for "some reason", she felt the need to toss in that bit about the pots and pans and newspapers.

I smell a rat. They're *not*, in my estimation, "currently being inventoried and the serial numbers run for the possibility of these weapons being stolen", because anybody that can type with one finger could have entered all those serial numbers into the database the day they came in. I'm guessing the guns are being pried apart and checked to see if there's some violation of 922r or any FA components. FWIW, Florida Department of Law Enforcement has a page on their website where any schmoe can check a serial number to see if a weapon is stolen. There's probably dozens of other sites, but, needless to say, law-enforcement has a pretty good one for their own use.

RandyCOG3

Edited to add: I'm sure all of us have seen a sign in a business that said "Complaint Department-Please Take a Number", and the number tag was rigged to the pin on a (presumably) inert grenade...

[Nazgul]

Randy 10:1 it was a legal flare round.

[RandyCOG3]

Randy 10:1 it was a legal flare round.

You're probably right, but, hey, if we learned anything from Nixon, it's all about "Plausible Deniability". If it'll pass the "probable cause" smell test, that's all they need.

RandyCOG3

[bladeworks123]

Once again, and especially after reading the second account that Micro Pilot posted, I am not seeing anything contrary to the law coming out of the mouths of the police. All I read is the reporters literary skill in sensationalizing the story. If he had a live grenade, it doesn't matter how many guns he had, they would take them all. Could loose his house as well, especially if they turn it over to the feds.

[RandyCOG3]

Once again, and especially after reading the second account that Micro Pilot posted, I am not seeing anything contrary to the law coming out of the mouths of the police. All I read is the reporters literary skill in sensationalizing the story. If he had a live grenade, it doesn't matter how many guns he had, they would take them all. Could loose his house as well, especially if they turn it over to the feds.

I agree completely, except, I sense a bit of sarcasm on the part of the authoress of the original article re: pots and pans and newspapers. Maybe she's not impressed..? I suspect that, if it was a live grenade, not only would they have blown it up the same day, but, the Fedz would already be in the house, prying the walls and floors apart. Which is not to say that it *won't* happen. Explosives aren't the pervue of local cops... where ARE the Fedz? It may be that there's a reason for 'em laying low.... but...I'm guessing "not".

RandyCOG3

[bladeworks123]

I agree completely, except, I sense a bit of sarcasm on the part of the authoress of the original article re: pots and pans and newspapers. Maybe she's not impressed..? I suspect that, if it was a live grenade, not only would they have blown it up the same day, but, the Fedz would already be in the house, prying the walls and floors apart. Which is not to say that it *won't* happen. Explosives aren't the pervue of local cops... where ARE the Fedz? It may be that there's a reason for 'em laying low.... but...I'm guessing "not".

RandyCOG3

Glad you noticed that too,,,, you are exactly right....local police do not put live grenades or any explosives into evidence. They either call EOD or the Feds. It's their responsibility, let it blow up there evidence locker....but yet again, nowhere do the police say they took the "grenade". All they say is that they found one,,,,,that is the exact reason why I am saying that the news media has just been reporting what they themselves have deduced. Second article says they inventoried and catalogued the weapons to determine if any had been stolen in the first burglary, and you are exactly correct, it only takes seconds for a match to pop out once your enter that info in NCIC. I think the Chief is feeding them based on their questions....I think there is a lot more to this story than meets the eye.

[yellowhand]

One good thing about all of this, IF it goes to court, he will have a lawyer, public forum, and a jury of 12 that will decide, if he did or did not do anything wrong with an appeal process.
We have warts and some show their ass/stupidity at times in this country of ours, but in the end, it won't be decided in a back room, and if innocent, he will most likely go free.
Not perfect, but better than any other place I've ever been or seen...
My .37Cents worth :)

[RandyCOG3]

One good thing about all of this, IF it goes to court, he will have a lawyer, public forum, and a jury of 12 that will decide, if he did or did not do anything wrong with an appeal process.
We have warts and some show their ass/stupidity at times in this country of ours, but in the end, it won't be decided in a back room, and if innocent, he will most likely go free.
Not perfect, but better than any other place I've ever been or seen...
My .37Cents worth :)

You're right, Yellowhand, better than anywhere else, but, there's lots of cases along these lines where it's clear the guy is innocent, and still gets convicted, like the recent case of the guy that loaned a gun to a prospective buyer, who, it so happened, fed it ammo that was known to "go bang" more than once per trigger pull, according to experts; nothing "wrong" with the gun, no modifications, etc., just a "known" problem with THAT model, with THAT ammo. The "customer" called the cops... and he's convicted, and still in jail, AFAIK.

RandyCOG3

[rep30cal]

Even if they don't press the charges or if they do and he is found innocent he will play he11 ever getting the collection back. There have been many cases over the last several years that this has been proven, there was one guy who did nothing wrong, had his collection stolen by the police and some were papered class 3's. He was found not guilty of everything they could throw at him, all weapons were legal and ordered to be given back. This guy spent like 3 times what the collection was worth on lawyers and lawsuits to only get about half of them back.

[jdowney]

Years ago I knew a guy with a paperless MG - he got it from a cop... too good not to sell apparently (it was an MP44). I'm afraid the cops just don't impress me, far too few are as honest as they should be, far too many just go along with what the high up politico's tell them, and far too few are really and truly fair minded. I'm reminded of this every time I get passed by a cop doing 20 mph over the posted limit. If they're so casual about the laws and fair play, why won't everyone else be the same?

[yellowhand]

Come November we get EVERYONE off their ass and into the voting booth and we have a chance to fix this mess, far better than the alternatives...

[okie shooter]

Guys, If I read this right, they have charged him thru the DA's office, thus this is not just the cops talking to the reporters. If I am a DA I am gonna get more than a comment from a cop before pressing charges and issueing a warrent.

I am not a laywer nor did I stay in a Holliday Inn Express last night but this isnt just he was arrested by the cop who found the round. Thus if the DA arrested him for a dummy or 37mm not DD I will be suprised for sure.

[jdowney]

Can't say as I think much of DA's either... piling up charges - like one assault charge or whatever for each round fired - so that they have plenty of options if they screw the pooch and some charges get dismissed. Many of our current prohibitive laws exist solely for the purpose of burying some poor schmoe in a pile of charges hoping at least one will stick, or that the cumulative sentences for all the minor crap will add up to the major charge that got thrown out because the DA forgot to do their homework.

Come to think of it, I'm not wild about judges either...

You can see why they never let me on the jury :D

I knew a guy once who was a compulsive collector. He had about 500 pez dispensers, and a couple thousand cheap yardsticks like the hardware store used to give away, mechanical pencils out the wazoo, plastic letter openers, all sorts of crap. Cops securing this guy's place would have said, "gee, what a nut"... but make it guns, knives, ammo, anything like that, and they say "we have to protect the neighbors and find out what else this guy is up to, there must be something illegal if we can just find it"....

I'd love to be on his jury.... :D

[Buddymack]

Can't say as I think much of DA's either... piling up charges - like one assault charge or whatever for each round fired - so that they have plenty of options if they screw the pooch and some charges get dismissed. Many of our current prohibitive laws exist solely for the purpose of burying some poor schmoe in a pile of charges hoping at least one will stick, or that the cumulative sentences for all the minor crap will add up to the major charge that got thrown out because the DA forgot to do their homework.

Come to think of it, I'm not wild about judges either...

You can see why they never let me on the jury :D

I knew a guy once who was a compulsive collector. He had about 500 pez dispensers, and a couple thousand cheap yardsticks like the hardware store used to give away, mechanical pencils out the wazoo, plastic letter openers, all sorts of crap. Cops securing this guy's place would have said, "gee, what a nut"... but make it guns, knives, ammo, anything like that, and they say "we have to protect the neighbors and find out what else this guy is up to, there must be something illegal if we can just find it"....

I'd love to be on his jury.... :D

I agree with you, there are many issues here to deal with, there is a certain sovereignty that they are violating here.
I have a friend I work with and drive with that was recently pulled over for no reason other than to ask him if he had a firearm in the vehicle, my friend is as honest as the day is long he would have told me if the cop had any other reason..
my friend asked him why do you ask? is it because of my bumper sticker?
the cop said yes...
the bumper sticker ....GOT SIG?
there is something happening here folks, the police need to know as well as the politicians and the like..
they are paid by us they are supposed to work for us...
although the Police are supposed to be looked at as the authority, however I think it is high time they all know who is supposed to be the authority and that is the people and the constitution.

[yellowhand]

Washington State vs Arizona.
WS= you got a gun in the trunk????
Are you a criminal/ just bad/ gun rights person/ or god forbid, someone who has read the constitution?
AZ= YOU have your gun in the trunk????
Why in the hell do that?
What kind is it?
Can I shoot it?
How much did you pay for it?
Dam, that's nice!
Does your wife like it, I'm thinking mine might?
Can your dealer get me one?
See ya...
Oh, yea, your tail light is burned out!
The Founding Fathers, old guys all dead now, set up this country on the idea, one of many, that if you did not care for the laws in one state and could not get enough people to agree with you, you could at least move to another that suited you better.
As the Feds have now taken over many so aspects of what used to be states rights, and the RIGHT to be different, Dems, and sadly some Repub's, don't care much for different and want/demand all of us to be the same, ie, under their power.
All great empires destroy themselves between 250 and 350 years when those in power forget that they work for the benifit of the little people and not the other way around.
Sad, but history always repeats it's self, people just never learn....

[Buddymack]

Washington State vs Arizona.
WS= you got a gun in the trunk????
Are you a criminal/ just bad/ gun rights person/ or god forbid, someone who has read the constitution?
AZ= YOU have your gun in the trunk????
Why in the hell do that?
What kind is it?
Can I shoot it?
How much did you pay for it?
Dam, that's nice!
Does your wife like it, I'm thinking mine might?
Can your dealer get me one?
See ya...
Oh, yea, your tail light is burned out!
The Founding Fathers, old guys all dead now, set up this country on the idea, one of many, that if you did not care for the laws in one state and could not get enough people to agree with you, you could at least move to another that suited you better.
As the Feds have now taken over many so aspects of what used to be states rights, and the RIGHT to be different, Dems, and sadly some Repub's, don't care much for different and want/demand all of us to be the same, ie, under their power.
All great empires destroy themselves between 250 and 350 years when those in power forget that they work for the benifit of the little people and not the other way around.
Sad, but history always repeats it's self, people just never learn....
Being kinda from AZ I agree with you...they are the same about speeding there also...
WA state and Oregon....Sir do you know how fast you were going? umm sorry officer I am not sure .....you were going 67 in a 60 mph zone!
AZ ...Sir is there a problem you are holding up traffic? ...please pull over to the side if you don't want to play with the others..

[cfish]

Yellowhand, thats funny! A few years ago I was on my way home from work at o darh thirty here in NC. I came upon a highway patrol check stop (drunk driver stop) and had my Para Ord limited p14-45. At the time I didn't have my CCW so I carried it on the passenger seat, which is the law here in NC, it has to be in the open unless you have a ccw. I told the trooper I had a gun on the seat, he looked at it asked what kind it was and for the next 30 mins I was out of my car with 4 troopers around me all of them tinkering with my gun. I wish I had been a Para ord salesman, I could have sold 4 that night alone! For the most part our LE folks are great people with good attitudes.

[Nazgul]

Cfish, your right. Most are great folks to be around. I think a lot of it has to do with where you are located.