Butt with 3 holes???

[jfowl31]

The black G3 buttstock I just got in from CTD has the 2 retainer pin holes in the rear for holding the pins during disassembly... like they all do.

On top of that, it has yet another hole just in front of the sling clip that looks just like the other 2 back in the back...

what's it for, and/or... do I happen to have some kind of collector's item, and should I not paint this one?

[drine]

That would be a "Gremlin" stock as a "Hobgoblin" has butt with two holes:)

[okie shooter]

Might be to hold the third pin from the forestock, so the man takeing down his rifle doesn't lose that one too. I am thinking it may have been a armorers solution to the troop that lost the third pin all the time. The holes are there to prevent losing the pins anyway, and I imagine shooting a g-3 without a foregrip might give one some toasty fingers. Just my two cents.

[hunter_la5]

you got a pic?

[jfowl31]

Ill get a pic up this afternoon... is not for the forestock pin. Its the same size as the 2 holes in the rear, and the forestockpin is smaller in diameter.

[WildBillCody]

I've seen them a couple of times, so it's not a one off.

[Seattlefungus]

Yes, the older butt stocks had a hole recess for the front trigger pack pin. when the HK91 came out, they used the shelve front so didn't need a third pin hole. trhe old manuals instructed the hole use to keep the user from loosing the pins. (We could of used that on the M60 for the Pins and retaining spring.)

[Seattlefungus]

Hey Jord, Nice thread title... LOL Butt with 3 holes..:eek: :eek:

[jfowl31]

I was just gonna call it... "My black butt has an extra hole!!!"

I never thought about the pin at the front of the trigger pack... I didnt know it was originally the same design as the 2 back pins.

here's the pics of mine. The white on it is some sticky residue from some athletic tape or something that used to be on it. Denatured alcohol should take it off fine. Ill probably take some pictures during the different stages of the paint job. First I gotta find the right colors for a desert camo Chocolate chip pattern........ Who has the best selection for spray paint colors?? I am thinking Home depot wont have everything Im looking for.

[jfowl31]

sorry forgot to put the pics in...

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/jfowl31/blackstockright.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/jfowl31/blackstockleft.jpg

[Seattlefungus]

Hey, instead of painting that one I got this green one that I WILL NEVER use. It's the weirdest color green I've ever seen. Looks like frog sh#t... I keep putting it in the bottom of my old footlocker. Everytime I see it I can't belive how freaking ugly it is. It would definatly benifit from one of your paint jobs. (Plus I'm out of room again Jord, found 5 full FMP g3 kits in cheery condition). Didn't think twice, bought them all. I felt like crying when I opened them up. They were brand new rifles cut to crap. Sad.. I only hope I can do them justice. Putting them on JLD receivers. Let me know if you want it. It's got all the metal and the butt plate looks good.. Just $ for shipping.

[jfowl31]

Done, Ill pm you when I get back from my fiance's little bro's tennis match.

[Perro]

those pins dont ONLY hold your pins, they also keep the stock from collapsing. It is hollow plastic, and those sleeves prevent it from collapsing.

The 3 hole stocks are earlier buttstocks, and it would be my guess that the 3rd "pin sleeve" was simply for support of the hollow stock, and nothing more.

The trigger pack pin is far too small in diameter to be safely retained by any one of those 3 "pin sleeves"

[jfowl31]

Could be perro... hmmmmm...

Ive never seen the size of the trigger pack pin, but it makes sense that it would be small... the extra hole is the exact same size as the back 2. Its the same insert and everything, so it makes sense that its just extra support up front where all the buffer is and everything. I just wonder why they made it a pin hole in stead of a normal solid support or soemthing.

[Perro]

its not a guess that they keep the stock from collapsing, thats there true purpose, and a secondary feature is to hold the pins. Remove those sleeves, and take the stock outside in the sun for 30 minutes, and squeeze the stock to try and collapse it. youll soon figure out that that is what those sleeves main purpose in life is.

There have only always been one size of buttstock pins, and its a large pin that fits those holes

there are 2 small pins on the g3 - one for the trigger pack, and one for the handguard - BOTH have always been the exact same small size. the handguard pin, and the trigger pack pin are 100% interchangeable. Neither when fitted inside of the pin sleeves on the stock will be able to stay inside of that hole.

ive seen many stocks like you have, and i have a few. Most HK made stocks are dated, and those stocks are the early g3 stocks, and nothing more. That third sleeve doesnt do anything but support the stock as far as i know. I have never seen any mention of that hole being used for anything else.



Mike

[jfowl31]

mine has a date code of 665, and its struck through with an x.

The 2 pin stock I have is marked 116, and not struck through.

[pigpen]

i ain't never seen no stock like that befo!

[Perro]

they didnt even start with a plastic stock till around 1960 or so just as an FYI

im not sure when they switched over to the 2 hole variant. i just pulled a couple out of my big box of gun parts, and the oldest 2 hole variant i personally have in that box is 1974 so we know the 2 hole variant started by at least 74 - probably a whole lot earlier.

if the stock is made by HK, it should have the month seperated by the year with a /

as an example 12/64 would be december of 1964 - im sure you knew this already. tryng to help just in case you didnt.

[jfowl31]

well... these dont have date codes on em like that unless they are under the buttpad. The only numbers on the stock are on the left side between the 2 stock retaining pin holes on the metal. where is the date code located on the buttstocks?

[Perro]

sling well

[SSwee]

well... these dont have date codes on em like that unless they are under the buttpad. The only numbers on the stock are on the left side between the 2 stock retaining pin holes on the metal. where is the date code located on the buttstocks?

One of mine that is suppose to be HK G3 has the 665 X stamped out another X stamp above it and below it a tombstone crest with a V ribbon on it and three stars on the ribbon. I cannot find any other markings.
SS

[jfowl31]

nope, nuttin. not even a blank rectangle for the date code to be stamped like some of the foreends Ive seen (HK and POF)

[SSwee]

Now my curiosoty is aroused. I'll have to check all the ones I have for any markings.
SS

[RaccoonRough]

I have a question since we are on stocks. I bought a OD Green stock set from Centerfire and it came with an OD Green pistol grip. Is this a German Stock and if not by whom was it used. Also what era. I looked all over the stock and the only markings I can find is in the sling well and it is "11F" or 1lF".

The forend is also OD Green and towards the front sight area it wont snap in place and has two holes on either side. By what means can I attach this forend to my CETME. Also I am unclear what needs to be done to the buttstock to make it fit as well.

Thanks for any info.

RR

[jfowl31]

The only thing that needs to be done to the buttstock to get it to fit, is the bushing on the end of the recoil rod is slgithyl bigger on the G3 furniture than the cetme. You can either dremel down the ring until it fits nside the carrier, or replace it with a Cetme bushing. Other than that it shoudl fit on just like cetme furniture.

Oh, what you have is G3 plastic, with a German OD pistol grip.

The foreend should have come with a stock pin which looks just like the 2 rear stock pins, but smaller diameter.

It will rattle around on a Cetme a bit because the pin just goes over the barrel, whereas on a HK, there is an eyelet there for the pin to slide through and hold the stock tight. Mine also rattle at the back as the diameter of the inside rear of the foreend is bigger than the barrel back there. I jsut put some shim in there to keep it from moving around.

What shape is the stuff in from centerfire, and how much was it?

[RaccoonRough]

Ok,

It was $19.99 and it wasnt in very good shape. I will post some picts on it on here tomarrow if I can figure out how to reduce the pixels.

It didnt come with the pin needed for the forend and that sucks. I am sure its an inexpensive part, just means I will have to mail order it from somewhere.

What about the parts inside of the wrist area on the buttstock. There is a plate and lug of some sort. The one on my wood Cetme stock is different thatn that on the G3 stock. Like I said I will post some picts tomarrow.

Do you know where I can get one of the pins your talking about for the forend?

Thanks

RR

[jfowl31]

The plate and lug is the G3 buffer... its a little different design than the cetme, but functions basically the same way, and some say (including me) that it works better.

I have an extra stock pin if you want to pm me your address, Ill get it in the mail ASAP.

to reduce pixels, right click on the picture in the folder its stored in and select "edit"

It will open the picture in Paint.

select Image, stretch/skew, and type in the percentage you want to reduce it. I normally start out reducing it to 60% on both height and width, and then if its still too big, I highlight a square around the pertinent part of the image, move it to the top left corner, and then resize the whole image using the bottom right corner of paint until all thats left is the pertinent stuff in the pic.

from there, select "save as..." and save it something different so you dont lose the big pic.

[jfowl31]

btw, the green stock set I got from CTD was in GREAT shape. The butt looked brand new. The black one I just got in was pretty rough in comparison, but once I cleaned off the sticky stuff, it looks good... still has scratches all over it and all that, but looks decent enough to work with.

[RaccoonRough]

Thanks alot Jfowl,

I also have ordered a black stock set from CTD, Centerfire didnt have any black stocks.

I sent you a PM and just let me know what you want for that pin. I am very grateful for your help and information.

RR

[RaccoonRough]

Ok,

Here is a pict of my CETME first.

RR

[RaccoonRough]

Now,

Just so you know what my two stocks look like.

The Orig CETME wood stock is on the left and the OD Green G3 stock is on the right.

Thanks

RR

[jfowl31]

those are just the 2 different designs of the buffer. all looks normal from here.

only question I have is why you would get rid of that beautiful tiger-striped wood. you wanna sell that set?