County to evict man off his land

[RicePaddyDaddy]

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/madison-county-evicts-man-from-trailer

This would be where the rubber hits the road at my house.

[turbothis]

home of the free:America:

[Buddymack]

Amazing ...so if you want off the grid and or maybe to build from the ground up with a sacrifice, these zoning nuts will find a way of ousting you off your own land ....mercy this makes me sick...
I wish I could find an Island I could stick my flag on.

[oldpaint0]

Same here, ain't safe to live like that, they say. Who in the hell are they to say. Man has 36 acres to live on, doesn't bother no one. Let him the hell alone. Let him be, the man is 72 years young, let him live in peace. That is just more B.S. from our goverment. I hope the good people of Ind. rally for this man and put the guberment in its place. Damn these liberals.

[rpmfly2]

See they only make money off the real estate taxes! He just isn't paying for the other deadbeats that will not work or even try to be gainfully employed! He's not contributing to the water and electric grid! That might end up with prison time!
Who knows where this will end up!:rolleyes:

If he doesn't relent they will just do eminent domain!:sleepy::eek:

[RandyCOG3]

I am fairly sure that he has water, or else he's a Zombie, because you'll die w/o water.
And, the entire civilized world started out without electricity, or municipal sewers. If he has 38 acres, there's a pretty fair chance that cows poop all over it, all the time, and they don't need electricity.

Just leave the guy alone...

RandyCOG3

[rustypirate]

Governments fear people who refuse to be reliant on the services that they provide and thus outside the control that comes with the terms of those services.

These are the people that truly free.

Rather than allow those who wish to go their own way, the powers that be will harass these folk until they surrender simply to prove that they can.

[rustypirate]

According to another site, Madison County made good on their threats on December 4th.

[Schmitty]

I've seen this story discussed at other message boards. The main question that comes to mind is where are they evicting him to? Like, where are they going to take him, onto public land? the road? Put him in his car and tell him to be on his way? Like, what's to stop him from just going back home when they leave? Are they destroying his trailer or repossessing it, etc? Too many questions and not enough answers. :icon_neutral:

[Sturmvogel]

Just thumbed through my copy of the Constitution and can find nothing to support this? Oh, forgot, libs never read it and those that do don't like it....

What a crock... poor fella... gotta wonder who's "next" and for what reason...

[jbruney]

Amazing how far we've come in a little over 200yrs. Tossing an old man off of his property, out of his home, and trampled on his chosen way of life is a sorry affair.........But that's what governments are for. A pox on those buggers!

Let freedom ring........, but tax it and regulate it is a fact of life. Any other concepts are only illusions and mirrors.

[turmanator]

Makes me wonder who wants his property....:kookaid:

[RicePaddyDaddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZrASTIXGI&feature=related

:lolgreen: The city wants the property.....that's what the deal is....it's hit you tube now with several videos......here's Alex Jones throwing gas on the fire,waiting to see Jesse Ventura walking around that 38 acres with cameramen following him.......the city probably thought this would be a painless deal.....well,surprise surprise.:2pistol:

[rpmfly2]

I am fairly sure that he has water, or else he's a Zombie, because you'll die w/o water.
And, the entire civilized world started out without electricity, or municipal sewers. If he has 38 acres, there's a pretty fair chance that cows poop all over it, all the time, and they don't need electricity.

Just leave the guy alone...

RandyCOG3

It's a small town and I am sure he "Just isn't a GOOD FIT"!

You would be surprised how people in the burbs have now moved and infiltrated the dogma of everyday life of REAL Americans! If he's not keepin up wit da Jones's he is mentally unstable and whatever else they can dream up!

LEAVE HIM ALONE!

[rpmfly2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZrASTIXGI&feature=related

:lolgreen: The city wants the property.....that's what the deal is....it's hit you tube now with several videos......here's Alex Jones throwing gas on the fire,waiting to see Jesse Ventura walking around that 38 acres with cameramen following him.......the city probably thought this would be a painless deal.....well,surprise surprise.:2pistol:

But this was one of my early thoughts with Eminent Domain!

If it smells like a turd it most likely IS!

[Buddymack]

Hopefully there are some anti globalist media out there, it will probably be FOX.
Like this guy says if they can get them they can get me we need to all be paying attention.

[Norton]

Amazing how far we've come in a little over 200yrs. Tossing an old man off of his property, out of his home, and trampled on his chosen way of life is a sorry affair.....!
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Perfect comment.. jbruney I can't add anything more than what you have said

[Lalvis]

Seems to me that it is no longer"Land of the free and home of the brave" but "Land thats free for the government and of the laws"

[rustypirate]

guys, this is nothing new. It has been going on for as long as a government has existed.

In the past people who wanted to be left alone would migrate out to the "Frontier" to live outside society. Unfortunately there is no real "forntier" left to move out to, which is one of the reasons that I am a sailor, not a mountain man.

[slim]

This is why I moved out of Indiana to Kentucky

Madison Co. was once rich farm land up until the mid 90`s that happened to be close in proximity to Indy and Marion Co.....after the developers bought up all the farmland and turned it into subdivisions on the southern bordering counties driving the farms away with zoning laws and whatnot, they turned their attention to the counties north of Indy...Madison and Hamilton Co. where land prices went thru the roof and zoning laws were enacted that favor developers and gated communities with covenants. Since the developments were meant to be for upper crust homeowners, the political influence that comes from upper crust connections kicked in to help bully every farmer and bulldoze every homeowner now considered a possible "eyesore" to these gated communities. Laws were passed outlawing wells for water, laws were passed outlawing junk (eyesores) in one`s front yard that had been there for decades....suddenly illegal, you had no property rights after the mid 90`s in that area.

Farmland (rich black soil) that once went for about $2K an acre was now valued at $15K-$30K ensuring that the farmers who would sell their farms would not be able to be absorbed by other farms in the area as nobody could get a loan for a $15K and acre for a cornfield...too expensive to grow on and make a profit which precluded any farmers from continuing to grow and prosper in that county.

I saw this happening in JOhnson Co. when I was growing up on a farm there. when there were only a few farms left in what was once a predominately farming community, the developers and the new neighbors filed lawsuits over such nonsense as "smell" and "equipment noise" against the remaining farmers in that area until they drove nearly every one of them out.

The last straw for me was when the Governor of Indiana faced with the closing of several manufacturing plants in the state who were moving to Mexico and other countries replied to the question of these plants helping destroy some small Indiana cities economies, replied that he wasn`t worried about finding blue-collar work to replace these fading jobs, he was gonna build up Indiana`s economy by recruiting more computer and biotech companies and bolstering white-collar jobs instead as it was the "new trend"

In other words, MONEY is what the state of indiana is really aiming for and at the expense of farmers and manufacturing workers...and they will try EVERY means necessary to acheive this goal....and this man was NOT the first to be evicted and he is probably close to the last left in his situation but as long as there are more like him, he won`t be the last.

there is also a very high occurance of Political Corruption (long history) Police Corruption (VERY long history) and the state of Indiana is about as close to being the California of the midwest as one can be....whatever offends those with the campaign contribution bux can and will most assuredly be outlawed or dealt with.

I miss my family`s farm and my old neighborhood before the developers ruined everything however, I will never call myself a resident of that state ever again...and the reason more folks haven`t cried out to stop what was happening to Mr. Thompson is because the residents in that county and the ones surrounding madison county are all of the opinion (snobbery) that he is a homeless whackjob whose trailer is dirtying up the neighborhood and he needs to go so that a new coffeeshop or boutique can be built next to another gated community....it`s economic discrimination and it`s been a scourge of that county and the others next to it for 25 yrs. now...pure greed and snobbery.

this kinda thing threatens EVERY American community and if you haven`t experienced it yet, just wait....greedy snobs are looking to relocate in your area right now and no stinky farms or wildlife eating the expensive landscaping will stop them...they simply move in, legislate or buy the old neighbors out and change the environment into high end strip malls and gated developments and planned communities (like the Stepford Wives movie) to suit their egos and pocketbooks....dirty farmers can grow corn elsewhere as far as they are concerned and the wildlife must relocate as well so they can bulldoze a new dog park.

welcome the the United Socialist Republic of Indiana

lookup the recent case (last week) of the Greenwood (Johnson Co.) Police officer who locked his nine-month old baby alone in his car so he could go drink at Applebees and the subsequent fallout when a citizen dared to call him out for endangering his child....goes to show what goes on in central Indiana nearly every day

[jbruney]

Greed is right. The most you'd see was barbed wire on land about twenty yrs. ago, and now everything has game fencing covering it. JB signing off before he overloads his mouth on this topic.

[mitchstoner]

I'm thinking if the old guy owns that 38 acres, he ought to just sell it to the high dollar developers. He should have enough from the sale to go to Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, or wherever there's still cheap land away from cities.

I used to know a hog farmer who was always complaining about the developments springing up in his area. He didn't want to give up his land, but sale to a developer would give him more than enough for far more land farther out in the country.

[oldpaint0]

Principle damn it. the man owns his land, let him the hell alone. If he wants to ******** in the woods let him all the rest of the animals there do the same, but guess what they will develope that land and drive all the animals out also. Then they will be bitching about the deer,coyote,black bear,racoon,etc.etc. population and kill them critters off also. I hope Fox news or some media get all over this violation of this man's rights being stripped by a ruthless Gov't. Hell No We Won"t Go. Always question authority, start standing together or fall alone like this poor fellar. It is up to us, nobody else is going to step up to the plate. The Gov't will never have enough. It's now or never.

[mistersquiggles]

so you own land..... rural land... developers start buying the land around and beside you, while you refuse to sell....and all of a sudden theres a township around you, and the taxes go up... soon there are ordinances that get passed, and all of a sudden, theyre saying that your water well/ septic/whatever isnt allowed anymore.... THEN when you comply, but still wont sell, they pull the ever popular "eminent domain" card out of the hat..... this is happening around this country entirely too much!


heres a question.... WHAT GOOD IS IT TO OWN YOUR OWN PROPERTY IF THEY CAN MAKE A LAW THAT TAKES IT AWAY FROM YOU? or make a law telling you what you can and cant do on your own land???


man, i believe in the rule of law, but if this kind of thing happened to me, theyd have to call out the national guard.... cause it would DEFINITELY cause an armed standoff

[okie shooter]

After searching the news on this subject, it really sounds like the guy was living in a place with some sort of zoning requriements, without following the laws of the state of Indiana. Remember you have to have some sort of sewage system period. You cannot just dump raw sewage on the ground. I think there maybe issues that the news or the blogs covering this fail to adress.

It sounds like they are not trying to take his land, I cannot find a news story backing that claim up. They just want him to quit living in a substandard domicile without the proper sewage for sure. I believe the orginal article just says they are trying to evict him from his trailer. I am not sure but I belive you can supply water from cisterns or such, but you have to deal with the sanitary wastes.

I doubt that many of us would want our neighbors just dumping sewage on the ground. And its against the law. You would be suprised though that there are folks here in SE Ok, that the state cannot stop as the Sheriff will not accompany a inspector to try to enforce the sewage dumping laws. Thus many folks think because they own a peice of property they can do what they want with it damm the health or environmental laws, thus dumping raw sewage into a watershed. If you think that is a good idea, better be prepared to live like the folks in Hati are now with water born illness becomeing rampant.

[mistersquiggles]

dumping sewage i can see being a health issue, but how about an outhouse? you know, a shack sitting over a deep hole that you periodically throw powdered lime into? i dont know about indiana but here in texas you can still dig a hole and build an outhouse at least on rural land.... now there are requirements as to how deep and such, but thats it... and although theres a roof over the hole, it seems to me its still a form of dumping sewage....
now everybody in a neighborhood having outhouses, well i can see that being a whole different thing, but if i remember correctly most towns have sewers, and other means of waste removal..... as well as municipal water....

[rustypirate]

After searching the news on this subject, it really sounds like the guy was living in a place with some sort of zoning requriements, without following the laws of the state of Indiana. Remember you have to have some sort of sewage system period. You cannot just dump raw sewage on the ground. I think there maybe issues that the news or the blogs covering this fail to adress.

It sounds like they are not trying to take his land, I cannot find a news story backing that claim up. They just want him to quit living in a substandard domicile without the proper sewage for sure. I believe the orginal article just says they are trying to evict him from his trailer. I am not sure but I belive you can supply water from cisterns or such, but you have to deal with the sanitary wastes.

I doubt that many of us would want our neighbors just dumping sewage on the ground. And its against the law. You would be suprised though that there are folks here in SE Ok, that the state cannot stop as the Sheriff will not accompany a inspector to try to enforce the sewage dumping laws. Thus many folks think because they own a peice of property they can do what they want with it damm the health or environmental laws, thus dumping raw sewage into a watershed. If you think that is a good idea, better be prepared to live like the folks in Hati are now with water born illness becomeing rampant.

Okie,
In an urban environment I can understand your argument about the health risk because of the concentration of humans in a small area, however in a rurla area where this guy was alone on 38 ACRES, I cannot see how an outhouse is a problem for anybody.

Also there is nothing stating that he purchased the land in a restricted area. It is quite propable that the county changed the restrictions after he already owned it.

Regardless, who is to say what constitutes a "substandard domicile"?

What I find as acceptable living conditions others may not, but that does not give them the right to push me off my land for living the way I want to so long as I do not harass my neighbors.

rusty

[jdowney]

Okie,
In an urban environment I can understand your argument about the health risk because of the concentration of humans in a small area, however in a rurla area where this guy was alone on 38 ACRES, I cannot see how an outhouse is a problem for anybody.

Also there is nothing stating that he purchased the land in a restricted area. It is quite propable that the county changed the restrictions after he already owned it.

Regardless, who is to say what constitutes a "substandard domicile"?

What I find as acceptable living conditions others may not, but that does not give them the right to push me off my land for living the way I want to so long as I do not harass my neighbors.

rusty

I have to agree, he's got a huge lot, he could easily use a composting system on a much smaller lot, an acre or so, if he put in the effort. Zoning is a PITA, and in most cases is not the be all and end all of good living. If he lived there before the regulation change he'd have a good chance of beating it if he was willing to try. Usually they can only force updating if you want something from them, like a building permit.

If you can believe it, I had to get an engineer to sign off on an 18" thick stone/mortar stem wall sitting on bedrock. The single oldest way of building - stack rocks on each other - and they couldn't decide it would stand without an engineer saying so. But if I'd done the exact same thing with cinder blocks, then no problem. Most forms of municipal building and zoning regs are a good idea, but the nimrods enforcing them are utterly worthless.

[chili]

Perfect comment.. jbruney I can't add anything more than what you have said

Makes you proud to be an Amerikan doesn't it?

[chili]

Amazing how far we've come in a little over 200yrs. Tossing an old man off of his property, out of his home, and trampled on his chosen way of life is a sorry affair.........But that's what governments are for. A pox on those buggers!

Let freedom ring........, but tax it and regulate it is a fact of life. Any other concepts are only illusions and mirrors.

Makes one proud to be an Amerikan, doesn't it?

[RandyCOG3]

Okie,
In an urban environment I can understand your argument about the health risk because of the concentration of humans in a small area, however in a rural area where this guy was alone on 38 ACRES, I cannot see how an outhouse is a problem for anybody.

Also there is nothing stating that he purchased the land in a restricted area. It is quite propable that the county changed the restrictions after he already owned it.

Regardless, who is to say what constitutes a "substandard domicile"?

What I find as acceptable living conditions others may not, but that does not give them the right to push me off my land for living the way I want to so long as I do not harass my neighbors.

rusty

My house is on .8 Acre of land (some of which is under water), and I've got a septic tank... and the house originally had a well as its water source, located at the extreme far corner of the yard from the septic tank. But, the land is zoned "Agricultural", and I can have cows and chickens and pigs crapping all over the place, if I so choose. So, I don't know how this gent is disposing of his "waste", but... it can't be any worse than cows and pigs on your land, or what goes on in the woods during most camping trips.

As for "substandard domicile", well... now we're getting into "eminent domain" questions...now gov'ts have decided that it's in the best interest of the public to steal homes and land, and sell it to developers, since that will generate more property tax $. Along those lines, it was rumored (during the real estate bubble) that, for instance, a 3 bedroom house with only one bathroom might be "substandard" and subject to forfeiture by Eminent Domain, regardless of its condition. Similarly, here in FL, on the east coast, there was a waterfront community that was nearly ripped out from under the owners. As it turns out, it was an old waterfront community. Owned mostly by African-Americans. Thusly, it wasn't perfect (in "their" eyes), and damned near was lost to "Eminent Domain", so a developer could plow it under and rebuild a fresh, new waterfront community with higher property taxes.
I lost track of that story, but IIRC they did manage to put a stop to it.
It's unbelievable that such things could even be considered by a gov't here
in the USA, but, it's happening.

What I always want to know about such stories as this fellow's turn up:
WHO'S THE RAT THAT CALLED THE GOV'T? And, WHY?

People that live in tidy little neighborhoods often own dogs that crap like mastodons (I guess that's why they "walk" them, so they can crap on other people's lawns), sometimes multiple dogs. That's OK, though. They
drive nice cars, wear proper clothes, etc. This guy has 38 acres. He's old.
He's paid his dues, and probably doesn't have the scratch to hire a lawyer.
THIS is where the ACLU ought to step in, but, we all know they wouldn't touch a case like this...

( I wish he could get 99+ weeks of unemployment compensation...)

RandyCOG3



RandyCOG3

[okie shooter]

Again, I say, I hear of no one taking his property away, just they want him not to live in the place without the improvements. The area was zoned thus its the planning commission making the moves.

He still owns the place and could do with it what he wants, as long as he follows the laws there.