Mossberg Cruiser NFA?

[Noskov]

Fellow on another forum posted this article, it's about 2 months old but it's a bit confusing as usual from the ATF.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/atf-position-on-pistol-grip-shotguns-creates-new-danger

[7.62guy]

well if that ain't clear as mud.:icon_confused:

[thor32382]

Typical goverment beurocrats trying to find another way to justifly there existence. It drives me nuts how they try and word these laws to make them iron clad and they end up confusing as all get out. If you read the law its not classified as a shotgun but, it fires a shotgun shell so its legal but, try arguing that with an ATF agent. Even if you win the case imagine the pain in the rear it would be the next time you make a purchase from a dealer. :sparta:

[pidaster]

The ATF is about as useful at tits on a boar hog.

[RandyCOG3]

I am getting old, soon to be 51, and, my tired eyes just aren't willing to read the reports of WTF the gov't is currently up to. ESPECIALLY the alphabet soup folks.

Somebody help clear me up on this: I bought my Mossberg 500A, with a PISTOL grip, in prep of Y2K. Bought several cans of beans, too.... and that's all the prep I did, since I know somebody high up in Electronic Funds Transfers, and he was watching what happened after the clock rolled over on the International Date Line. I could have gotten more beans if things went south.

Ugh. Is it now a machine gun, an AOW, or WHAT? That's a rhetorical question, t'is what it always WAS: A lawful, riot-type shotgun. OR: a wild-assed guess by some stuffed-shirt bureaucrat..

DOH!. I suspect that the BATFE has "interns" or something similar....pistols, which often come with pistol grips, since they are pistols, are sometimes chambered to work with .45LC, OR, .410 shot shells. And, I'll point out to "us" that .410 is smaller than .50. And that a .410 shot shell behaves an awful lot like stuff fired out of shotguns. And, with their pistol-like appearance, what with the pistol shape and pistol grips, THEY are *not* shotguns. Even though they fire shotgun shells. OK by me, either way.

This isn't as serious as the "shoestrings ARE machineguns" determination, but, it's coming pretty close.

Check back next week to see if they're still pistols.

RandyCOG3

[dogsoldier]

It is the 3 "L"s of liberial anti-gun government.

Legislate, if that fails, litigate, if that fails LIE!

I never knew the BATF was empowered by the Constitution to make national policy. They were supposed to be tax collectors.

[weaponoffemdom]

no not NFA, the cruiser 500 has an 18.5 in barrel. it is not NFA. go buy you one. Hyatt's gun shop in Charlotte, NC has a great selection, and they are great people to work with. www.hyattgunshop.com

[Noskov]

no not NFA, the cruiser 500 has an 18.5 in barrel. it is not NFA. go buy you one. Hyatt's gun shop in Charlotte, NC has a great selection, and they are great people to work with. www.hyattgunshop.com

I know the Mossberg Cruiser was never an NFA weapon but the link by the ATF on what their new idea of one can be is so vague it put into question all pistol grip shotguns.

[weaponoffemdom]

now i understand, however; it says: ''the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell''. you are right, it is vague and up for interpretation. but one can pick apart anything and say it is vague to an extent. they have a tubular magazine ( for the most part ) which you will find exemption from the NFA assault weapons situation. but tell that to california.

i was looking up some of the 2000 Calif gun law crap, and notice something odd about their banned list: ar series, ak series, fn-fal series, galil series, streetsweeper, spas-12, uzi, tec-9, and so on but no Ruger 10\22, Ruger Mini 14/30............WTF?
a mini is just as effective as the other, why are they not on the list?

[lakeracer69]

Hummmmm Ask Bill Ruger, He was the one who coined the phrase " No one needs a magazine of over 10 rounds". Seems as though his "friends" in congress went along with it.

[Perro Del Diablo]

it has been this way for YEARS

a shotgun by definition is fired from the shoulder so a pistol gripped cruiser style shotgun is not a shotgun by definition
so what is it, a pistol?? Nope, pistol needs a rifled bore

so it is classified as a title 1 firearm - not a shotgun, pistol, or rifle

this is why you must be 21 years old to buy a pistol grip shotgun but only 18 years old to buy one with a stock on it because only shotguns and rifles can be purchased by 18 year olds.
pistol gripped cruiser style shotguns have been classified as not a shotgun for many many years

[pidaster]

it has been this way for YEARS

a shotgun by definition is fired from the shoulder so a pistol gripped cruiser style shotgun is not a shotgun by definition
so what is it, a pistol?? Nope, pistol needs a rifled bore

so it is classified as a title 1 firearm - not a shotgun, pistol, or rifle

this is why you must be 21 years old to buy a pistol grip shotgun but only 18 years old to buy one with a stock on it because only shotguns and rifles can be purchased by 18 year olds.
pistol gripped cruiser style shotguns have been classified as not a shotgun for many many years
So where does that put it?

[Perro Del Diablo]

So where does that put it?
as a title 1 firearm


the Browning 1919a4 semi automatic shares the same classification. A rifle is designed to be fired from the shoulder, and the 1919a4 does not have a buttstock and is tripod mounted so it is classified as a title 1 firearm. Since it is not a rifle, it is also not bound by the short barrel rifle rules, so you can attach a short barrel to the 1919a4 without any special NFA restrictions but dont ever attach an a6 stock to it because then it becomes shoulder fired
http://home.roadrunner.com/~tlcguns/1919_SBR_letter.jpg

a pistol grip shotgun with a barrel less than 18" becomes an AOW though

[HKaltwasser]

It is the 3 "L"s of liberial anti-gun government.

Legislate, if that fails, litigate, if that fails LIE!

I never knew the BATF was empowered by the Constitution to make national policy. They were supposed to be tax collectors.
I've always wondered why and who gave them this power?