another loading question

[winky]

Ive been loading this thing with pulled military bullets that arent in the best of shape some nose are peened over and others are damaged in other ways so i dont expect any kind of accuracy with these bullets. Thing is I was given two flat rate boxes full of them so Ive been shooting them with 335 and 332 and at 25 yards they shoot basicaly into one hole but at 50 yards there allready opened up to 3 inch or better. If a guy used quality bullets are these guns as accurate as say an ar10. Is this gun capable of 1.5 moa with good components the one i have seems to have a real smooth barrel. Ive shot even a 100 rounds of lead reloads out of it with a fairly hot barrel with no leading. I bought this thing cheap and in nice shape figureing on it just being a beer can blaster in the sand pit but would consider scopeing it and trying it at long range if its worth the bother. Ive seen movies where the h&ks were used as sniper rifles even. Is this gun actually capable of accuracy like that.

[Geilt]

Hard question to answer because it really depends on what you're shooting. You will get decent accuracy but sniper quality? No way. The HK "sniper rifle" you're probably refering to is the PSG-1 or the updated version. The formal designation for the updated model escapes me at the moment. I believe the PSG-1 is a highly modified version of the model 91. A lot was done to it to achieve that level of accuracy.

Keep in mind that the Cetme, G3 and 91 are battle rifles through and through. Not intended to do more than hit a man-sized target out to a few hundred meters. Probably no more than 400 meters and that may be pushing it. With practice you can reduce your group size out to that distance but never close to "sniper" accuracy.

You mentioned "shooting them with 335 and 332". What are you refering to?

[MicroPilot]

See Jfowl31's thread discussing shooting out to 600 yards:

Hunting and long range with the Cetme (pic intensive) (http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=121)

[Geilt]

I didn't say it was impossible just not what the Cetme was expected to do as a battle rifle.

[drine]

If you have a new barrel, you may see some decent accuracy but certainly not 1moa or less. Since they were an MG at one point, the tolerances are too loose to support the case as well as precision rifles do. Looking at all the locking piece demsions HK shows for various set ups, they have one for snipers but isn't clear for what rifle. One hole at 50 yards ain't bad. 3" at 100 is about the norm. Some better, some worse. My previous barrel wouldn't hit a piece of notebook paper 3 out of 5 times at 50 FEET!

[winky]

thanks again guys. 332 and 335 are hogdon ball powders.

[MicroPilot]

I didn't say it was impossible just not what the Cetme was expected to do as a battle rifle.

We posted almost simultaneously. I didn't mean to contradict what you said but to point Winky to a thread discussing what he was asking about.:thumbup:

[rep30cal]

Since you seen to know the reloading process, you may be able to get
some decent accuracy out of the rifle if you use a little better components
than what you are using. My CETME would shoot 3-4 inch groups at 100
yards, then I worked up a reload that I can get 1 1/2-2 inch groups out
of with no scope. I haven't shot it any farther but one of these days I'll
get to stretch it all the way to 200 yards, WOOT.

[robocop10mm]

The prevailing wisdom is that nose damage should not affect accuracy badly. Base damage is lethal to accuracy.

[winky]

that wisdom may hold up at 100 yards but it doesnt at 300.
The prevailing wisdom is that nose damage should not affect accuracy badly. Base damage is lethal to accuracy.