Hesse Receivers???

[Smokehouse69]

Are they really that bad? Are they worse than the Century cast SS receivers?
What about Federal Firearms Aluminum recievers, I vaguely remember that there were some strength problems with them, was I dreaming that?

[kevin]

dont get the aluminum ones! you will regret it, and they look UGLY!

[okie shooter]

from the other thread
I beleive if you research, hesse receivers are the basis of the stamped century receivers. (some one correct me please if I am mistaken on that one)

The FAC/federal aluminum body receivers were made for home builts, that all you did was take the receiver stub off of your trunion and then pin it to the receiver, thus no welding. If done right it will make a good rifle, if not will be a problem child. Springfield armory built sar8 rifles built on them marked springfield not fac. The fac have built in scope rails, and will not take the collapseing stocks from g-3's. The material is much heaver than either the cast stainless or stamped steel receivers though.

[rep30cal]

I have no personal experience with Hesse products, but on every forum
and everything they build, there is nothing but gripes and problems.
I would stay away from them, as for the CAI cast stainless recievers,
my understanding is they are far better than the CAI stamped units and
are great to build on and seem to keep a scope mount on better.
I had a FAC and was really happy with it, zero problems, fairly accurate,
ate any ammo I gave it and ejected without a hitch and recoil was the
same if not less than my CETME. It must have been done right the first
time, I chatted with a gent who finally stabbed his into the ground barrel
first and used it as a target.

[okie shooter]

On the issue of strength of the aluminum receivers from FAC, they are huge and thick thus proably just as strong as a stamped receiver, just as kevin stated they are ugly. The receiver on a rifle like the CETME/G-3 or many other stamped steel rifles(ak for example) do not take the forces in lockup of the bolt to the barrel assembly, the cast trunion does. Thus the receiver holds the front trunion in line with the back one and carries the recoil assembly and keeps the trigger group in place, but is not involved with lockup like on a SKS, FAL(with the locking shoulder in the upper), M-1 rifle or carbine and such. Even a AR-15/M-16 deal with the lock up with the bolt locking directly to the barrel.

[Trueno]

Besides the cosmetic side of things, never heard of a problem with FAC receivers.

As far as G3 Hesse receivers, the guys I know that run them have never had a problem.

t

[Lon Moer]

The stamped steel CIA receivers are made on the old Hesse tooling.
The cast stainless steel CIA receivers are made on the old Special Weapons tooling.
The aluminum FAC receivers are still available from FAC Supply (http://www.facsupplystore.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RE1067%2DN), but they are the newer typeIII, "after ban", style that will accept the collapsing stock.

http://www.facsupplystore.com/images/Receivers_Actions/72l_RE1067-N.jpg

[Smokehouse69]

It isn't that ugly... just sorta blocky looking... how in the hell do you build one of those things? How do you hold the trunion in? The website says all you need is a drill and screw driver to build it.

[Trueno]

It isn't that ugly... just sorta blocky looking... how in the hell do you build one of those things? How do you hold the trunion in? The website says all you need is a drill and screw driver to build it.

Normally, when an FAC receiver is mentioned, this is what comes to mind.

http://nas4.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/073560000/73560827/pix1341494609.jpg

The one in Lon Moer's post looks more "tactical", I almost like it :wink:

t

[okie shooter]

Smokehouse, I think to install it, you just remover the receiver stub from your existing trunion/barrrel, assembly. Then without changeing the head spaceing/bolt gap, you press, or fit the trunion/barrel to the receiver. Then drill a new hole thru their receiver and your trunion, and then pin the trunion in(not sure if there is a pre drilled hole in the receiver or you just drill the pin hole on a press thur both items). Then you have to some how attach the chargeing tube to the receiver, or weld it to the triple frame(I think thats what others have discribed as you cannot weld aluminum to steel). Not much different than Century did with the stamped receivers and kits they built, thus why some are within spec for bolt gap, and others arnt, as they were shot out. Makes assembly easy for the home builder and no welding required.