Need a favor

[Alaskagrown]

I need someone with a chronograph, a 91/30, a M44 and time to go shoot for me and tell me what the velocity difference between the shorter M44 and the 91/30 if any. I am just curious and this is a very unscientific test.

[turbothis]

hahahaha,lol. i did my 44 right after i got it. was maybe 3 feet away from the trap and fired it off. the flipping rabit ears flew about 15 feet away and we where laughing soo hard we did not even see a reading. oh brother, did i not know of the flame thrower!

[Alaskagrown]

whats the barrel length on your 44?

[weasel_master]

I'll see if I can get to the range after training today.

[Alaskagrown]

cool no sweat though if you can't it isn't time sensitive at all

[SteelCore]

I shot them with the same ammo, at 50 yds, at a cast steel plat that is 1.5inches thick. the surface is gridded in 1/4" increments.

M-44: left a 3/4" diameter hole, somewhere between 3/8 inch deep.

M 91/30: left a 1" diameter hole, somewhere between 3/4 inch deep. Cracked the back of the plate.

I figure that's goota be over 300fps in added muzzle velocity.

My 91/30 is at least 50% more accurate than the M-44. At 300yds, on a head/torso target (which looks mighty tiny at 300yds) I can score 2-3 hits outta a course of 5 rounds. M-44's lucky to get one. THis is prolly dure to 2 things:
1-longer bbl
2 -longer sight radius

how's that for unscientific? ;)

[weasel_master]

I didn't make it out today. Next time I go I'll bring them both and post the results.

[Jacobite]

Steelcore said:
"My 91/30 is at least 50% more accurate than the M-44. At 300yds, on a head/torso target (which looks mighty tiny at 300yds) I can score 2-3 hits outta a course of 5 rounds. M-44's lucky to get one. THis is prolly dure to 2 things:"

Now that is more like the way my 91/30 shoots. O.K. mine might not shoot that good. What is ashame is I can put 5 out of 5 in the head with my Swiss 96/11.
I have found the Mosin really pounds steel plates. However I think that is because I can only hit them at 50 yards with it.

[nevada]

Hey Jacobite, is that because:

you can't see past 50 yards

the rifles shoot that bad

you need help with the ladder sights

:icon_biggrin:

[k98k792]

Seems he does pretty dang good with the sights on the Swiss rifles!

[Jacobite]

Hey Jacobite, is that because:

you can't see past 50 yards

the rifles shoot that bad

you need help with the ladder sights

:icon_biggrin:


I just can't find a Mosin that shoots worth a darn is all, I guess. I get 2 inch groups at 100 with my 98/22 and that and better with my No1 Mk3 Lithgow so I don't think it is the sights.

[nevada]

OK, #2 from column A. I haven't tried mine on targets at a range, but busting head sized rocks at about 100 yards isn't hard. Probably not MOA, but good enough for fun shooting. Glad your swiss shoots well.

[kevin]

check out the ammo section on 7.62x54r.net it has all this info for you for most types of surplus and commercial ammo with detailed crohno tests

[SteelCore]

"can't find a Mosin that shoots worth a darn is all, I guess"

If you don't have an accurate mosin, I've found it comes down to these things:

1) Cleaning - The mosin will have tons of old copper fouling in there...clean, clean, clean using a copper solvent like Sweets, or Pro Shot' copper solvent.

2) Practice, practice, practice - The Russian military themselves said that the Mosin had the longest training cycle of all their weapon systems. I shot 140+ rounds thru mine b4 I started getting consistent and confident. It is not an AR, where all who pick it up are doing quarter sized groups at 100yds.

3) Trigger set - Some mosins have horrible triggers, some break nice. Always dry fire a mosin b4 buying...if you don't like the trigger, there are some adjustable triggers and replacement triggers...and clenaing really helps.

4) Oh, and remember to check the bbl and trig guard screws for tightness. if they're loose (and they do work themselves loose from shock/humidity change) you won;t get any accuracy.