G3 Furniture

[Tombstone]

I'm considering buying a set of the green furniture from Cheaper Than Dirt but have a question. Does going to this furniture affect 922r compliance?
Thanks.

[thebufenator]

922r is not very well written, but it only pertains to importing and manufacturing. It does not define what manufacturing is..........The way I understand it is, if you did not build it you can do what you want with it.

However I don't think the ATF has ever made one of their arbitrary rulings on it.....

[19Charlie_84]

It most certainly does apply to you. You may not have manufactured said rifle, but if you are in possession of it, how are you to prove you bought it like that and didnt swap parts out? It is up to the buyer/builder to ensure compliance. If you go with imported furniture, there are plenty of other parts on the list in the thread below to swap out.

http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=267

[Smokehouse69]

Yeah, if the Alphabet boys want to get you, they will get you and you'll go down. I honestly think you could in all good faith do everything that you think is legal and they'd still be able to find a way to burn you. Just keep your head down and follow the rules and don't take any chances with the law.

[Milsurp]

922r is not very well written, but it only pertains to importing and manufacturing. It does not define what manufacturing is..........The way I understand it is, if you did not build it you can do what you want with it.

However I don't think the ATF has ever made one of their arbitrary rulings on it.....

If a long gun is assembled with imported parts it must have and maintain the correct amount of compliance parts. You may switch out a compliance part for another compliance part but you may not exceed the allowable amount of imported parts.

[thebufenator]

If a long gun is built with imported parts it must have and maintain the correct amount of compliance parts. You may switch out a compliance part for another compliance part but you may not exceed the allowable amount of imported parts.

Can you show where it says that in 922r?

I am actually curious about that.

EDIT:

922r:
"It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to--
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General. "

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Title 27 Chapter 1 Section 178.39

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.



Where in there does it say the parts count must be maintained by an end user who did not build the rifle?

[HKaltwasser]

Can you show where it says that in 922r?

I am actually curious about that.

EDIT:

922r:
"It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to--
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General. "

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Title 27 Chapter 1 Section 178.39

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.



Where in there does it say the parts count must be maintained by an end user who did not build the rifle?

I agree with you, but it hasn't stopped the all knowing ATF from doing whatever they want. They wil linterpet the rules however they want and make up new and absurd ones on top of it.

[thebufenator]

I agree with you, but it hasn't stopped the all knowing ATF from doing whatever they want. They wil linterpet the rules however they want and make up new and absurd ones on top of it.

Oh I do know the ATF does make some strange decisions......

I think there is a difference saying that the law requires you to maintain parts count, and saying that the law does not say anything about maintaining parts count.

Its up to you to decide whats is the safest way to play. Innocent until proven guilty in this country I think.

[Milsurp]

922r:
"It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to--
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.


It says assemble,not build or manufacture. Is your long gun assembled? Or in pieces in a box? If it assembled than it must be 922r compliant. If you put a magazine in your long gun then you just assembled it. If you take it apart to clean it and put it back together then you just assembled it.

[jdowney]

Where in there does it say the parts count must be maintained by an end user who did not build the rifle?

While I see your point and agree with it, the question is really irrelevant. The burden of proof is going to be on you if you ever got caught, not on the ATF. When section 922r was originally conceived and written, I don't think they anticipated the sales of demilled kits and boom in home building, let alone how sophisticated home builders have gotten. As a result, there is a lot of interpretation that has to go on in 922r implementing, and its just a matter of practicality to make sure that this interpretation works in your favor instead of against it.

So back to the OP's question. If you want to stay legal and put on the green stocks, you just have to add 3 US parts - buttstock, handguard, and pistol grip - in place of those you remove (the black widow stock set I assume). In many cases, you'll end up with a better gun, even if the cost out runs the $20 or whatever the green stocks cost. Three easy ones are Turbo's improved trigger, his fire control cage, and a flash hider from Sswee or IFG (assuming you have the Spanish flash hider rather than the CAI loudner of earlier builds). You can probably do all that and the stocks for $100, and enjoy doing the work if you're wired that way - lots of us are :D

[seasmoke]

I bought a set of green from CTD... brandy new..nice metal, 'new' buffer.. seems to have never been used. You don't have to install. $20.00? Cripes.. Get this stuff while cheap. As new metal from these sets can be used on G-3 wood when you have your parts count right :airtight:

[Milsurp]

So back to the OP's question. If you want to stay legal and put on the green stocks, you just have to add 3 US parts - buttstock, handguard, and pistol grip - in place of those you remove (the black widow stock set I assume). In many cases, you'll end up with a better gun, even if the cost out runs the $20 or whatever the green stocks cost. Three easy ones are Turbo's improved trigger, his fire control cage, and a flash hider from Sswee or IFG (assuming you have the Spanish flash hider rather than the CAI loudner of earlier builds). You can probably do all that and the stocks for $100, and enjoy doing the work if you're wired that way - lots of us are :D

+1 on this. And seeing as I kinda stomped on your thread and as a welcome to the forum. If you want I will send you a thermold mag that counts a 3 compliance parts. But you will always have to use only this mag to be compliant. If you do it jdowneys way you can use any mags. Let me know and pm me your addy if you want it.

[drine]

I will vouch for Turbo's Hammer, trigger, sear combo. It will also improve the horrible trigger pull and over travel by HUGE amounts. It's flat and wide like a nice target trigger, too. I don't recall the cost, maybe $60-70 but it will be three parts so will have what you need. Your pistol grip is US made I'll bet. You only "need" two parts then if switching out furniture.

[jdowney]

I will vouch for Turbo's Hammer, trigger, sear combo. It will also improve the horrible trigger pull and over travel by HUGE amounts. It's flat and wide like a nice target trigger, too. I don't recall the cost, maybe $60-70 but it will be three parts so will have what you need. Your pistol grip is US made I'll bet. You only "need" two parts then if switching out furniture.

Ahhh.... I forgot he also did hammers and sears.... that's three parts right there and costs about the same as a trigger job. True, you only need 2 parts if you keep the black grip, I was assuming it came with a green one - like the G3 kits apex had. Sorry to say I haven't actually looked at the CTD set that we're discussing (shame, shame :D)

[okie shooter]

Guys, it says "any person" thus you the owner are still any person, who assembles. IF you cannot see that there, you arent reading the law. Thus you change parts you are the manufacturer too.

IF you wernt any person, this would be moot. I have discussed this over and over and if you want, try putting in a letter to them and ask. I bet you will enjoy the time where I was born, Leavenworth.

[The Great 308]

Guys, it says "any person" thus you the owner are still any person, who assembles. IF you cannot see that there, you arent reading the law. Thus you change parts you are the manufacturer too.

IF you wernt any person, this would be moot. I have discussed this over and over and if you want, try putting in a letter to them and ask. I bet you will enjoy the time where I was born, Leavenworth.

Thanks for typing that for me. It always makes my head hurt when someone thinks that for some reason 922r does not apply.

[ShuckersFan]

You can always get some OD green Duracoat...

[M1Marksman]

You can always get some OD green Duracoat...

Only if the Duracoat is US made...:America:

[archangel_jx]

Only if the Duracoat is US made...:America:

lol

[operatingengineer15]

I'm considering buying a set of the green furniture from Cheaper Than Dirt but have a question. Does going to this furniture affect 922r compliance?
Thanks.
OR you could just buy one of these like i did, in case the ATF guy :rolleyes:runs up on you at the range,the mag is US made and it replaces the 3 us counts you lose with getting rid of the cheesy US furniture.


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/57887



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[moondog55]

Not to change the OP.Does anyone know if anyone has been charged with violating or not complying with 922r,namely an individual and not a manufacturer.Not that I would suggest anyone to ignore 922r,I'm sure if I did I'd be the first person charged with violating it.That would be my luck.

[operatingengineer15]

Not to change the OP.Does anyone know if anyone has been charged with violating or not complying with 922r,namely an individual and not a manufacturer.Not that I would suggest anyone to ignore 922r,I'm sure if I did I'd be the first person charged with violating it.That would be my luck.
I have never heard of anyone being sited for 922r violations,but if the ATF or FBI ever raid your house for anything you can bet the charges would include illegal assualt rifles.

[dragon5126]

Only if the Duracoat is US made...:America:

It is!

[dragon5126]

Not to change the OP.Does anyone know if anyone has been charged with violating or not complying with 922r,namely an individual and not a manufacturer.Not that I would suggest anyone to ignore 922r,I'm sure if I did I'd be the first person charged with violating it.That would be my luck.

I personally know 2 individuals who were charged on this bs. It was used to "pile on more charges" above and beyond the illegal charges they were hit with in the beginning, which will undoubtably be thrown out. The couple (man and wife) are/were politically vocal and quite active against the powers that be...