65 ways we are losing

[RicePaddyDaddy]

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/65-ways-that-everything-that-you-think-that-you-own-is-being-systematically-taken-away-from-you

How can anybody get ahead in this climate ? We're going to be very lucky to hold on to what we have.

[yellowhand]

yepper, the author seems to understand and also believe what is right in front of his face.
thx RPD...

[Buddymack]

In the last couple years we have lost a great deal, we have lost before and this time was no surprise.
I was playing some online game when on the net trying to keep my mind off things last election and the person I was playing was excited of the "new Prez" and I just said, of all the things I will be losing it is hard to give up what is left of my America the most.
One thing I don't think people have held this admin responsible enough too is the "Cap in Trade" policy, it was repeated in a very scamfull way that no one would have a tax increase under 250K... ummm if you increase everyones energy costs and the result is taxation on energy ...when you pay your energy bill "skyrocketed to quote the prez" that is a tax, and a tax you can't write off.

[jbruney]

One word describes the read...Amen.

Can't say more or I will froth at the mouth and have blurred vision for hours.

[k98k792]

Boy, I bet they sell the heck out of their sponsors gold coins!

[RandyCOG3]

In the last couple years we have lost a great deal, we have lost before and this time was no surprise.
I was playing some online game when on the net trying to keep my mind off things last election and the person I was playing was excited of the "new Prez" and I just said, of all the things I will be losing it is hard to give up what is left of my America the most.
One thing I don't think people have held this admin responsible enough too is the "Cap in Trade" policy, it was repeated in a very scamfull way that no one would have a tax increase under 250K... ummm if you increase everyones energy costs and the result is taxation on energy ...when you pay your energy bill "skyrocketed to quote the prez" that is a tax, and a tax you can't write off.

AND we can look forward to more of this "Green" BS, renewable energy, X% of our energy by the year 20xx... THAT is going to raise everybody's energy costs, a LOT. So, who is going to suffer the most? The people that can barely afford their electric bill. So, I'm guessing people well above poverty level will have to also subsidize the nearly-broke. Nobody wants Grandma roasting, or freezing, after all. I guess it won't be long before most of us are paying 2X or more for electricity, heating oil, and fuel for our vehicles, all the while sending $ overseas in the form of "carbon credits" to countries where people mostly live in mud huts and have to kill what they eat. They weren't GOING TO USE any "carbon", so, that's like me getting a paycheck for the air in my yard that I didn't consume.

RandyCOG3

[mga4848]

pretty damn depressing

[Thauglor]

I actually researched quite a bit into Cap and Trade and Carbon Tax. I do not like Cap and Trade because corporations/people get to keep any profit they can make from selling the credits. I do believe we need to get a Carbon Tax going. In 2006, at just $15 a ton, the average person would pay $290 in taxes, and $88 billion would be the total taxes from it. With those taxes the government can easily give tax breaks to low income families and invest into more renewable energy. I would not mind paying more for clean air to enjoy walking outside without smog, plus less money would be used for doctors visits resulting from crappy air.

[jets]

I actually researched quite a bit into Cap and Trade and Carbon Tax. I do not like Cap and Trade because corporations/people get to keep any profit they can make from selling the credits. I do believe we need to get a Carbon Tax going. In 2006, at just $15 a ton, the average person would pay $290 in taxes, and $88 billion would be the total taxes from it. With those taxes the government can easily give tax breaks to low income families and invest into more renewable energy. I would not mind paying more for clean air to enjoy walking outside without smog, plus less money would be used for doctors visits resulting from crappy air.

really????

[Thauglor]

Yeah, doing a debate on that in one of my graduate classes. It made a believer out of me for Carbon Tax. Most of the info about emissions I got from the Energy Information Agency, I just had to look elsewhere for US population.

I don't know what is causing or even if there is any global warming, I just want it cuz it will make us less dependent on oil and reduce smog.

[Buddymack]

Global warming is a scam, it has been proven over and over, we can't control the climate that is up to things that are beyond our power.
The only thing it will reduce is your money, money is a funny thing the more it costs the more it costs and it duplicates into many other factors, such as cost of doing business then they have to recoup the losses, then our costs go up further and further all in the name of the "green movement", which is also used in taking away private property and so on.
More government equals less freedom and less money, and trusting what "they" say about it, is setting yourself up for failure.
I would rather the free market be .....FREE.:icon_neutral:

[Thauglor]

The free market will not care one bit if you get cancer from all the crap they put out in the air. The free market will never regulate itself to spend money to help out the general good of society. I certainly do like the FDA. I do know that in MBA programs, they teach the "oath" of doing whatever is legally possible to maximize shareholder's profit.

[Windy]

Gentlemen, I fear for the Republic.

When I think what we're handing down to our children I become ashamed, angered and saddened.

I often ask myself... can it still be saved? I dunno...

Some days when I see whats on the news and when I am forced to see, really see, what we've became as a Nation and society I think we're too far gone.

Still, I hope... and raise my two young sons to be honorable, hard working, and productive members of society, where they will be an exception to the norm.
Thats all I know to do.

[RicePaddyDaddy]

Our best hope is across the water now.The men and women wearing America's uniform.....our finest.Eventually they'll come home and some will enter public service others will work for change.The old politicians that have always ate at the federal trough fed by taxpayers will be voted out.Right now our leaders don't want the troops home.All those combat vets on the street,no way.Many would be homeless because of no jobs,some would head to the already blown out VA for healthcare and they would have too much free time.....time to think and maybe reflect on things.These leaders now don't want independent thinkers around they just want to keep hammering us into the ground draining every nickle out so they can "redistribute the wealth".The wealth is being stolen not redistributed.

[big jmh]

Thomas Jefferson said government is best which governs least. I want no more taxes in any form. I want less government that is the only way to defeat the rising spiral of taxes and socialism in this once great country. Our forefathers fought against taxation without representation but that is what continues to happen when they add tax after tax. Last year it took until April 9, 2010 for tax freedom day, this year it is April 12, 2011. No new taxes in any form. We are now bankrupting our childrens children with this insane rising spiral of federal debt to fuel ever more social programs.

[rpmfly2]

We need more taxes like we need more liberal ideas to improve the economy by SPENDING MONEY and RAISING TAXES!

Every place I have ever worked did just like the liberals! If it doesn't sell, repackage it and raise the price and just make a rationalization why my product is better or different NOW!

SOSDD! ALL OVER AGAIN!

Vote em ALL OUT!

If ya don't like what your constituants want, freekin QUIT! We will get a real representative!

And, while your at it, move to Iran or somewhere with your personal views on socialism and communism!

We don't want to here a word about how WE cannot make good decisions for ourselves!

[okie shooter]

Ironically though you do get for much of the taxes they list, what you pay for. Thus what you pay in most states in gasoline taxes, directly funds the highways you drive on, the same with interstates and the federal gas taxes, thus if you dont want to pay taxes, decide what you want to give up. Remember what ever you say, there is not a Right to drive on the roads, it was left out of the the COUS and the furthers admendments thus its a privlege left to the states they they were given the right to regulate and tax if they saw fit.

Its a world that does cost money, and the Goverment does not own the methods of production thus giving it a source of income(abet the nazi SS and others tried that with varing methods of supporting public structures). Thus if you want services from the Goverment you do pay for them.

Boy, I bet they sell the heck out of their sponsors gold coins!

I agree with that thought for sure.

[Patria Povo]

Most of those listed are user-pays taxes. Drive on roads and you'll pay for their maintenance and construction, hunt on public land and you'll pay for it's management, get married and you'll pay for your record to be created and stored, etc.

There should be much more of this, IMO. Tobacco tax should never go into general revenue - it should be directed solely towards children's health education and cancer treatment research.

[k98k792]

I wonder why "they" (the sponsors of that website) take U.S. money for their gold coins. I mean,if there is a coming economic collapse,shouldn't they just hold on to their gold coins?
Must be a nice bunch of fellas,helping folks get rid of that soon to be worthless paper.

[rpmfly2]

I wonder why "they" (the sponsors of that website) take U.S. money for their gold coins. I mean,if there is a coming economic collapse,shouldn't they just hold on to their gold coins?
Must be a nice bunch of fellas,helping folks get rid of that soon to be worthless paper.

and imediately buy more gold to hold and or sell! The cash or funds in the account are imediately converted to gold! Nobody needs firestarter when the stuff is worthless!:icon_biggrin:

[HKaltwasser]

I actually researched quite a bit into Cap and Trade and Carbon Tax. I do not like Cap and Trade because corporations/people get to keep any profit they can make from selling the credits. I do believe we need to get a Carbon Tax going. In 2006, at just $15 a ton, the average person would pay $290 in taxes, and $88 billion would be the total taxes from it. With those taxes the government can easily give tax breaks to low income families and invest into more renewable energy. I would not mind paying more for clean air to enjoy walking outside without smog, plus less money would be used for doctors visits resulting from crappy air.

Why ? So we really won't be able to compete worldwide. I guess you have to believe that humans are the cause to believe this. Oh, more taxbreaks to people that dont pay taxes=redistributing wealth. Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of all taxes. I want a clean environment as much the next guy,but doesn't mean we need more government,overbearing regulations.

[HKaltwasser]

The federal government needs to stop operating outside the confignments of the constitution. Enough is Enough:kookaid:

[Patria Povo]

Why ? So we really won't be able to compete worldwide. I guess you have to believe that humans are the cause to believe this. Oh, more taxbreaks to people that dont pay taxes=redistributing wealth. Top 10% pay 70% of all taxes. I want a clean environment as much the next guy,but doesn't mean we need more government,overbearing regulations.

Who needs tax breaks if you don't pay any tax?

http://money.msn.com/taxes/latest.aspx?post=26d490bd-7317-4f93-8b43-e1da1151ea5f&GT1=33005

[HKaltwasser]

Yeah, doing a debate on that in one of my graduate classes. It made a believer out of me for Carbon Tax. Most of the info about emissions I got from the Energy Information Agency, I just had to look elsewhere for US population.

I don't know what is causing or even if there is any global warming, I just want it cuz it will make us less dependent on oil and reduce smog.

You forgot the unintended cosiquences, higher prices for everything. Think about the delivery system for all good around the U.S. Alternative energy will come will the acceleration of science and a market for that science . It will not come any faster with us forcing it. It will come organicly with the market.

[Buddymack]

There are already enough fines fees levies that the EPA puts out, and that is another huge Albatross around the American peoples neck..
Cancer? Cap and Trade is not going to limit anything except large companies desire to even do business in the USA, and if they will do it, they will just pass more along to me the consumer in "costs to do business"..
Then if any cancer is involved it will be the consumer reducing his nutritional budget into third world banana republic levels.
This is not about pollution, this is about fleecing America for more money, more taxes and collapsing our dollar.

[HKaltwasser]

There are already enough fines fees levies that the EPA puts out, and that is another huge Albatross around the American peoples neck..
Cancer? Cap and Trade is not going to limit anything except large companies desire to even do business in the USA, and if they will do it, they will just pass more along to me the consumer in "costs to do business"..
Then if any cancer is involved it will be the consumer reducing his nutritional budget into third world banana republic levels.
This is not about pollution, this is about fleecing America for more money, more taxes and collapsing our dollar.

Well said sir!