Need help on ID & value

[SSwee]

The one I figure is a K31 by the ring pull in the back. 7.5x55 cal. It's missing the sling mounts and has a bolt replaced on the left side of the mag with a square farmers nut.

The other, I'm not familiar with. Marked CAI 7.5 French very small and MAS MLE 1936 large. Shells came with it are marked 8-74 / LM VA / 7.5
Missing screw and I think sling attachment from the forestock band.

SS

[drine]

Maybe a K-11, or possibly earlier, I can't enlarge. My K-11 has the red/orange handle also but not the huge rear sight sides. Definitely a Swiss. The French MAS rifle is neat too. I've only seen a couple, never owned one. Good find.
Sorry, to answer your question, I don't know the values. My K-11 isn't a recent import and should fetch @$400.00 since all no.s match. The mag is totally different. I'm waiting to see what the knowledgeable folks have to say!

[Smokehouse69]

The one on the top is a MAS 1936 bolt action rifle, it was a main battle rifle for the French during the short time they actually fought.
http://www.gunsworld.com/french/mas/m36_home_us.html
Here's link to some information on them.

[SSwee]

I can take close ups of particulars if it will help.

The Swiss has matching numbers on the bolt, reciever and barrel. The mag has an odd number. No letter marking found, just the cross by the numbers and on the bolt.

SS

[MicroPilot]

:google:

MAS Mle 36 (http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl13-e.htm)

[SSwee]

I guess at $50 a piece I didn't mess up to bad.
How can you tell the difference between a K11 and a K31?
The French pricks sure put a heck of a point on the bayonet.
Anyone have links to places that might have parts?
SS

[drine]

Google: Schmidt-Rubin
You'll see your rifle as well as a K-11 Carbine that I have. Your mag appears to be the same as 1889(?). The big ears on the rear sight also make it look so.
You'll be able to tell better the exact model.

[drine]

Someone over on Gunboards pointed that out to me. I don't recall the site though. drine
BTW 50.00 each ain't bad for a Daisy BB gun these days so you came out smellin' like a rose!

[Norton]

The MAS 36 looks like a 1970s rebuild as they reparked and restocked them for storage. Your stock looks new (1960s) The CAI 7.5 French is the importer mark. The Other is the real French marking that could be from 1936 to the early 50s. There is a good web page that has all the date codes to see when your rifle was made. The French started making the semi auto MAS 44 after we overran their arms plants. That became the MAS 49, their main rifle. But they kept on making the bolt action MAS 36 and giving it their draftees and rear area types. They sent them to the Vietnam and the Algerian war as regular equipment as late as 1962. I have one and it is a practical combat bolt action. But you have to say
to the American, German , British or Russian eye it has a weird layout.
But I like it anyway, Now you need the MAS 49/56 to go with it.
If I can find the web page with the production codes I will post a link

[drine]

Lord knows that will be hard to find if you want it back to original.
But still 50.00.......I miss out too much.:thumbup:

[drine]

http://swissrifles.com (http://sissrifles.com)

[SSwee]

It falls in your lap when you least expect it. A friend of a friend got married to a woman that layed down the no guns in the house rule. My friend wanted the sporting guns but took all to help him out. He aked me if I knew someone into old military firearms. I guess you know what I told him. LOL

The Swiss can only be a 1889 by the rear site and the mag. A barrel stamp shows inspected by Major Vogelsang 1879-1912. I saw mention of the 1889 having been sporterized but didn't find a pic of it yet. I would have preferred the original stock configuration but I'm not going to complain at the price.

Only dropped once? Not as much info on this one unless you can read French. Did see pics of the forward sling mount it needs. The stock is blocky compared to the pics of the older guns.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. If I go out and shoot them any at all, I'll have to watch out on the ammo. 7.5 x 54 and 7.5 x 55 are too damn close. Any other info is greatly appreciated. Is it rare to find parts for these two?

I haven't checked the book yet, are both of these C&R?

SS

[drine]

My K-11 was missing the front sight insert. Numrich had it! That's been several years ago but you can start there.
Research a bit more on the ammo for the Swiss gun. Same caliber but I think the 1889 is a different load. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT! It may be just the same, the selective memory and all........
Again, if no one here can help more, try the Gunboards Swiss site. I found more in 30 minutes than the last 30 years on mine!

[drine]

http://p083.ezboard.com/WTB-a-few-K11-items/ftheswissriflesdotcommessageboardfrm14.showMessage ?topicID=919.topic
Supposedly this guy has it all. High costs it looks like. When you are the only game.....

It's the "Guisan" guy who has parts.

[Smokehouse69]

First of all your friend is doomed if he married a woman like that.. On the on the other hand is that you got a couple of nice rifles because he's doomed to be whipped!
:icon_mrgreen:

[SSwee]

Now, do any of you have an extra sling front mounting ring with screw for a MAS1936?
Can you tell me what the 2" prong on the metal fore stock end cap is for? I guess it could be to tie a white flag on but I've seen similar to it on other rifles.
Thanks
SS

[drine]

Not sure about the French, Bayonet tube?

Sporterized on the Swiss, so I'm no help!

[SSwee]

This prong, hat hook?

[drine]

Stack arms on the French one too. The hook them together when the prop them all up.