Mosin Sighting in the News -- Thug Stopper

[Schmitty]

KANSAS CITY, MO.— Roger MacBride says that he's used to looking out for trouble in his old Northeast neighborhood. But usually the problems involve prostitutes or drug addicts, and he says that he wasn't ready for what he calls a mob of young troublemakers who threatened his home and family.


http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-metro-man-says-teen-mob-terrorized-his-neighborhood-20110616,0,4762112.story


EDIT: There seems be some controversy at another message board I frequent about whether or not shooting the 'thugs' throwing rocks and such would be justified.

[Lalvis]

12 people that are throwing rocks, causing damage to near by, and then turning to you! I would have done the same thing, as far as a show of force. Would I have shot them? Not first. If time permitted, then a warning shot. Would I fell that my life was in danger? YES!

[mitchstoner]

A bunch of punks throwing rocks can easily kill you! Even one punk throwing a rock. Serious and imminent personal danger is still grounds for self defense, if I am not mistaken. In MOST areas that is.

IF the sight of the rifle had not inspired them to seek entertainment elsewhere, and they intensified the attack--i.e. thinking the homeowner was bluffing and wouldn't really do anything, then a shot or 2 might be necessary. First in the air, then you might just have to shoot a punk. Too many punks are used to the idea that people will yell at them, but then run inside and hide and not follow through.

The world has a punk overpopulation anyway, imho. Although I think a less than mortal shot might be a good idea. In the groin, if possible.

[k98k792]

That man has a good neighbor policy that I could get behind! It makes me think of "Gran Torino".

[Planning]

That man has a good neighbor policy that I could get behind! It makes me think of "Gran Torino".

yep! me too.

[kagans]

This makes me sad, it seems more and more every day that our country is going to hell in a hand basket. Maybe they need to start arresting these kids at school instead of kicking them off school grounds. Though I do have to say, some of the school policies, especially round here, do not help things. For example, in my school district growing up, they told us if you fight back even if it's to save your life you will go in front of a judge and get punished for fighting. I know people say it's hard to tell who is fighting to fight and who is fighting to save their lives, but some times that just takes looking into the situation a little bit more. Sorry rant off, I would've done the same thing as that man may have fired off a warning shot even sooner though.

[RandyCOG3]

I applaud the man.

BUT, AFAIK, "warning shots" are almost universally a bad idea. Aside from running out of ammunition sooner, in the eyes of the law, and/or the other side's lawyers, you fired the first shot, and you probably shouldn't have, since your life wasn't in danger-- if it was, you'd have shot the person(s) involved. So, good guy is in legal trouble, and the bad guys look like innocent people walking down the street, minding their own business. Ditto for shooting somebody in the foot/leg, etc... if they need to be shot, they need to be shot somewhere more important.
Cops aren't even allowed to fire warning shots...
Plus, firing a "warning shot" may induce somebody to fire back.
There is no law against being a bad shot, and missing the target(s) if you're legally justified in firing. But "warning shots" might wind up with the "good guy" in jail.

RandyCOG3

[weasel_master]

If you got time for a warning shot, you're not justified firing IMHO.

[lnwilcoxson]

Those punks were lucky they pulled that crap in the inner city. Out here about 20 miles north of Independence we are a lot less restrained.

[kagans]

Yeah, your right about the warning shot. It would just be so easy to claim it was not self defense. I know in Texas you can shoot anyone who is on your property who you feel is a threat to you or your property. But that is still vague. In today's "don't spank or punish the kids" mindset of so many people it would be easy to turn you into the bad guy in that situation.

[Ted22]

Wonder what Davy Crockett would have done.

[Nazgul]

Can you image if it was at dusk and he fired off a warning shot with Albanian surplus and it's obligatory FIREBALL!!27951

[DAA1]

Warning shots are a bad idea. If you feel the threat is serious enough to warrent using a firearm, then it is serious enough NOT to fire a warning shot. Thugs with rocks or any other damage causing devices should be dealt with accordingly. Just be careful, once you pull the trigger, all bets are off.

[okie shooter]

Well reaching for the door, almost kicked in the castle defense. Thus the kids are very lucky as I imagine with hands on the door and comeing in, lethal force would have been justified.

[okie shooter]

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2011/06/ramjet_roger_macbride_northeast_neighborhood.php

Little more colorful discription of the incident by the gentleman. Love the lord of the flys comment.

[Schmitty]

Legal aspects aside, I don't thinking firing a warning shot from a Mosin is a good idea. You go from 4 rounds in the gun down to 3.

[k98k792]

He also had the option of a warning bayoneting with that m-44.

[mitchstoner]

Yeah, I like that idea, probably get 2 for each bayo thrust.

[kagans]

'There's enough of us. We can do whatever the ******** we want. And there's nothing you can do about it,' '" That mindset right there is a very dangerous one to have. I love his response to that though. Sadly kids have been taught either directly or indirectly that they can do what ever they want, especially if they have enough kids with them. I know we all get a little nervous around here when the local schools let out early and all the kids are walking down the streets. All it takes is one kid that has ill intent to cause issues.

[Schmitty]

He also had the option of a warning bayoneting with that m-44.
True, although a personal preference of mine is to poke bad guys with bullets and not bayonets. :D

[rustypirate]

I must admit to having a similar situation a couple of years back.
I was asleep in my house and was awakened by my dog. I could hear voices outside my window, so I took a peek. Outside on the street was parked an unfamilliar car with 7 teenaged people around it carrying on and drinking.

Not knowing who they were or if they were high, etc. I grabbed my .45 from the safe and went out the front door. I kept the firearm down by my leg, and pointed at the ground with the safety on as I approched the crowd. I called out to them and asked what they were doing.
One of the males started walking up my driveway talking, and I told him to "stop right there". I said that it was after 1:00am, and that I at least had to get up and go to work, so they had to move on or go home.

One of the guys started talking crap (I think it was to impress his girlfriend) and I said that I did not care what he said, so long as he said it walking away.

The crowd dispersed and I went back inside and back to sleep.

I never pointed the gun at them, and with the lack of light they never knew it was there, but I was not about to risk going outside with 7 strangers out there and not being able to defend myself.

Some people I have told this story to have asked why I did not simply call the police, and I have to say that police action was not necessary. Besides, if I had called it would have been 30 minutes to an hour before they showed up, and the kids would have probably have been more resentfull to me for getting them into trouble with the law. The situation was handled discreetly with very little fuss, and has not been repeated since.

rusty

[brewskzilla]

If you got time for a warning shot, you're not justified firing IMHO.
That's absolutely true. IF the sight of the rifle doesn't scare them off, a warning shot wont, either. No, If the rifle doesn't scare them off, chances are you're gonna have to drop one of them. Maybe two. Hell as many as you can hit in the "front"...

[SteelCore]

I think this guy showed proper restraint, whereas these kids did not. I think he could have made a case if needed about the increase in 'wilding' and flash mobs, and group snatch-and-grab raids on stores.

It's gonna come to a head some day, and not in a good way.

Kids today are totally different than they were 30 yrs ago, just talk to some. They seem to accepting of things, too prone to go aling with te crowd, not interested in paying theor dues up front, and act like the world owes them something. To be fair, I acaully have met some folks MY age that feel that way, too...
It was really irritating to go to a college job fair and talk to kids from my own alma mater, and to hear their 'demands' for a job as opposed to their qualifications...the EMPLOYER sets expectations, kid, not the potential employee. Frickin irritating. What happened to paying your dues up front?