accurizing a FAL?

[Otis61]

Anyone ever try accurizing thier FAL?

[chili]

I haven't. My understanding is that since the bolt locks in te rear, it make accurazing a little more difficult. If you can start with tight headspace, a new bolt and match grade barrel (if such an animal exists for the FAL) it might work. Oh, you migh want to free float the barrel too.

[Planning]

if your looking for a rifle that can hit an 8" pie plate @ 100yds,almost every time. that would be a fal. if your looking for a rifle that can be made to shoot a 3/4" group @ 100 yds it would be hard to do. i have seen in writing claims to do that, but never seen the rifle that has done it. the fal is my favorite rifle and i would like to be able to do it with one of mine, but it is not going to happen. the fal is a good utility rifle and it is what it is. some shoot better than others, but as far as accurizing, money would be better spent on another rifle.
IMHO
ron

[mga4848]

Planning
I like that advice about getting another rifle. I think it's better to have 2 rifles than i rifle and spare parts myself

[drine]

Anyone ever try accurizing thier FAL?
Did you try the trigger springs from Falcon? Maybe some handloads? Other than that I've not read anything but what the fellas already said about building it tight with a new high quality barrel and then like Ron said it was never made to be sniper-grade.
I was going to try the springs just to see how much better the trigger can get but mine is hitting within the norm.

[Planning]

Did you try the trigger springs from Falcon? Maybe some handloads? Other than that I've not read anything but what the fellas already said about building it tight with a new high quality barrel and then like Ron said it was never made to be sniper-grade.
I was going to try the springs just to see how much better the trigger can get but mine is hitting within the norm.

i use the falcon springs in some of my fal's. i am not sure they help that much, but it cannot hurt.
ron

[deth502]

working on it. need to find a receiver to go off of.

[chili]

working on it. need to find a receiver to go off of.

There is DSA and Coonan fore new production and Imbels can be had but are almost double in price. I think the others are pretty much out of the FAL game.

[Otis61]

First let me say I'm not tring to get this rfle to hit like a sniper. I have other rifles for that. I am however wanting the best performace I can get out of a good battle rifle.

Well I built my FAL a few years ago. Shot very little after initial function work. Enterprise receiver, imbel kit with original barrel, head space is tight. Went to the Orego FAL shoot last year, bad performace. Blamed it on ammo.

Decided I want to shoot it more. Took it to a local shoot a few months ago. It was performing well until I got to the 300yrd line. The POI seemed to shift, but I wasn't sure. I did notice that the lower was wobbling a little, and that the pivot pin screw was loose. So I tightened it up, made sure it was sighted in. And went to this years FAL shoot. In this shoot we had two positions. Did real well in the first position, then in the second it shifted again. I was sure of it this time. The screw had become loose again.

At the FAL shoot I ran into a guy that used to be a South African armorer. He knew a lot about FAL's. I wish I had talked to him more. He looked at my rifle and even after I tightened the screw said it was not tight enough. He said Take it apart, close the ears on the lower, then put some blue locktight on the screw.

[drine]

I will be sure to watch the pivot pin screw, too. Nothing like a new barrel, especially if you've got an old war horse with a lot of use.

[cwo4uscgret]

From this:

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/rimfire-guns/fn_fal_scoped.jpg

To this:

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/EBR/fal_6_001.jpg

The barrel assy is a DSArms 21" free floating barrel; stock and pistol grip are made by Weapons Arts; and the gun is built on a non-gear logo Imbel receiver. The chamber is reamed for .308 match ammo (tight chamber), and the trigger is, as far as FALS go, quite smooth. It has done 1" three shot groups at 100 yards.

[Otis61]

Very nice rifle there. DSA does not make those barrels any more.

[deth502]

There is DSA and Coonan fore new production and Imbels can be had but are almost double in price. I think the others are pretty much out of the FAL game.

im thinking coonan. cheaper, and im ALWAYS on a budget. and i have no problem making things fit if i have to, so any slight edge dsa may have in quality is not a draw for me.

ive got a few tricks i want to try, that, frankly, ive never even heard of anyone doing before. we'll see how it turns out in the end. the proof, or lack thereof, will be in the targets alone.

[Otis61]

ive got a few tricks i want to try, that, frankly, ive never even heard of anyone doing before. we'll see how it turns out in the end. the proof, or lack thereof, will be in the targets alone.

No clues for us?

[deth502]

No clues for us?

i could, but then id look like an idiot putting all that work into a rifle that only shoots 3moa!! but i will stake this claim--- the heaviest bull bbl the fal world has ever seen!!

[Otis61]

When I took my lower off to squeeze the ears together I also had to take a little material off the end of the this side of the pin to allow the both sides to fit tight.

[Otis61]

Man!!! I gotta learn how to do pics all over again.

Anyway the third and forth pics show the front and rear sights. That guy from South Africa, Bobby was his name, said to take the front sight off and turn it down to more of a point, then also to take the rear sight off, and squeeze the sides of the aperture till they just fit back onto the rail. then last but not least put some bedding material right under where the the hook at the rear of the reciever fits in the lower. Thats what the last pic shows.

[Otis61]

Of course none of that will do any good if you don't have a good barrel, and a good trigger to start with.

[deth502]

the bedding in the rear makes a lot of sense. never heard of that before either, but since the rear sight is on the lower, precisely locating it in the back sounds like a definite necessity.

i dont think it will help me, as im planning on a receiver mounted scope, but i may try that on my other rifle.

[Otis61]

Bobby the South African said that the target guys down there used to weld the rear sights solid tothe lower, then do all the adjustments witht the front sight. But that seems like a big pain to me.

That guy was really cool.

[Otis61]

the bedding in the rear makes a lot of sense. never heard of that before either, but since the rear sight is on the lower, precisely locating it in the back sounds like a definite necessity.

i dont think it will help me, as im planning on a receiver mounted scope, but i may try that on my other rifle.

I've heard of gunsmiths doing that to AR's even though the sights are on the upper. I think its just to make the whole rifle as solid as posible, to minimize any movement whatsoever.

[Planning]

CWO4, that is a very nice looking rifle. i like it very much.

otis, keep us posted on your progress, that is getting interesting.

ron

[Otis61]

Here is a target I shot yesterday. I blew the last shot. 100 yards, 200yrd zero. It was after a long day of shooting, 6+hrs my eyes were getting tired the light was getting bad.. Got the rifle sighted in. Practiced the course up from 2,3 4, then 500yrds. Then back down again. Plus spoted for my 12 year old. He's going to shoot a shoot this weekend with me. Plus we shot my PSL, and saiga 308. This was the last group I shot.

I dont think the gun is actually stringing. I think its just because I couldn't see the target clearly in that light. With my 50yr old eyes all I saw was an orange blur.

Enough excuses. I think got where I want it. I'll let you know how the shoot goes.

[cwo4uscgret]

Thanks Ron. It came as a Parts Kit from James the Gun Parts Guy (miss his website) it was that kit or (now I wish I'd bought it) a C2 kit...

[chili]

im thinking coonan. cheaper, and im ALWAYS on a budget. and i have no problem making things fit if i have to, so any slight edge dsa may have in quality is not a draw for me.

ive got a few tricks i want to try, that, frankly, ive never even heard of anyone doing before. we'll see how it turns out in the end. the proof, or lack thereof, will be in the targets alone.

There is nothing wrong with Coonan.

Otis61--Thanks for the info you have posted. Good info.

Seeing these FALs makes me want to drag out one and give it a hug.

[rudrules]

From this:

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/rimfire-guns/fn_fal_scoped.jpg

To this:

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/EBR/fal_6_001.jpg

The barrel assy is a DSArms 21" free floating barrel; stock and pistol grip are made by Weapons Arts; and the gun is built on a non-gear logo Imbel receiver. The chamber is reamed for .308 match ammo (tight chamber), and the trigger is, as far as FALS go, quite smooth. It has done 1" three shot groups at 100 yards.


Nice Looking FAL there Buddy!
My FAL is pretty but it shoots 3.5 to 4 inch groups at 100 yards, but it could be me, but I am Happy with that!
Here,s a Pic of my only FAL I got left, I had Three but needed funds you know how that goes!
:America::2pistol:

[Otis61]

Most of my shooting with this rfle hase been open sights, and I don't see so good any more. I should see what it would do with a scope. I've got a Millet TRS1 not doing anything.

I'm just sitting here going hmmm.