Canton OH CCW notification arrest - you gotta see this!

[holescreek]

It's a long dash cam video from a Canton OH police cruiser. Starts out a little dry with only a little abuse of power then turns south really fast. Looks a lot like roid rage on the officer's part.

http://ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html

[kagans]

I heard about this, according to the link he was fired.

[RandyCOG3]

I heard about this, according to the link he was fired.

All I saw said "relieved of duties", and www.cantonrep.com says he's been on "sick leave". Seems appropriate, because he clearly is sick...sick in the head. No tellin' what's gone wrong with him, but he needs to never be a cop again. He needs to see a little jail time, IMHO.

RandyCOG3

[drine]

I'll play devil's advocate: What was CC man doing in the city at night, brother in the backseat, talking to a hooker (alleged)? "Rights" are the first response I'll get and while I agree, stupidity is not a right. As a cop I would have checked the situation out, too. There's enough of you LEO guys who have been there and the "profile" fits. You take certain responsibilites when you get that CC. Keeping your nose clean is one of them. BUT........YES, that cop needs to be fired, I hate when the power goes to their head and they think they have more control over you than constitutionally allowed. No win situation that us CC guys need to keep steered clear of.
I go to Wal-Mart with wifey and kids, cc'd. I don't look out of place. I have no reason to go to Atlanta (or the big city) at night but I would carry if I did and might find myself in the same situation.

[Otis61]

I saw that. That makes cops look completly unprofessional. He was way over the top. I do understand him being upset though.

[kagans]

All I saw said "relieved of duties", and www.cantonrep.com says he's been on "sick leave". Seems appropriate, because he clearly is sick...sick in the head. No tellin' what's gone wrong with him, but he needs to never be a cop again. He needs to see a little jail time, IMHO.

RandyCOG3
Sorry, when I read "relieved of all duties" I figured that was PC talk for fired.

[RandyCOG3]

Sorry, when I read "relieved of all duties" I figured that was PC talk for fired.

I think that's probably PC talk for "He'll be fired as soon as we get the Union on board with us". It may be impossible to fire him without following some particular protocol.

RandyCOG3

[kagans]

Understood.

[okie shooter]

You can be "relieved of all duties" but not seperated from the department. Thus without some sort of due process the officer will not be preforming duties for the department, but may still be paid and such until he is removed from the department, actually fired after due process is completed.

[jbruney]

Well....It happens to all of us when the bad day time rolls around.

[bladeworks123]

First off, one of the poorest examples of officer survival skills, and proper search protocols I have ever seen. Nobody asked the driver, (registered owner) for consent to search the vehicle. Search incident to arrest is real shaky, because they had no probable cause to arrest the passenger in the back seat in the first place. It was the officers "opinion" that the passenger was lying to him and there is no such law as "lying" to a police officer. Had any of those officers worked for me, none of them would be working for the simple fact that they had no control over the situation or themselves. The officer searching the back seat with his head down and a driver in control of the vehicle behind the wheel, that makes my blood boil as bad as the Lead Loudmouth. He stated he saw a bulge, I call bullshit,,,,, he didn't see anything. What set him off was the sudden realization that he had screwed up, and screwed up really bad. He was so focused on being billy bad ass that all form of officer survival and safety was the furthest thing from his mind. The first thing that set me off was seeing them driving "blacked out". No place I have ever been allows officers to disregard traffic laws in the course of their duties, unless in pursuit. Guess maybe it's a good thing I don't do this for a living any more....And the most amazing thing of all is that they all obviously are aware that they have a dash cam...that leads me to believe that their behavior is accepted as the norm or they are completely incompetent.

[RandyCOG3]

It's gotta be awkward as Hell, being one of his fellow LEOs, and running into him for the first time since this happened. What do you say? You surely can't act like it was all the civilians' fault, and yet you can't really say "hey, you are a dumb ass for doing that", either. I guess you just shrug your shoulders and move on.

There's 1001 things wrong with that situation, but worst, IMO, is he can't really watch his partner's back while he's boiling over and thumping his chest, especially, as Bladeworks said, with his head down and the driver behind the wheel. I've never understood why cops don't take the keys away from the driver and put them on the roof of the car, every time.

RandyCOG3

[Perro Del Diablo]

man, thats rough.
i find this to be especially unsat

"I tell you what i should have done. as soon as i saw your gun, i shoulda taken 2 steps back, pulled my Glock 40, and just put 10 bullets in your ass and let you drop. And i wouldnt have lost any sleep, you understand me? And he would have been a nice witness as i executed you, because youre stupid"


It reminds me of when our local police department "executed" an Army vet with a lawful CCW license in the parking lot of Costco out here
http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-army-veteran-shocks-friends-98223884.html


Police scare the crap out of me!!! Im uneasy when im around any of them and my dad was a cop for many years.

[rep30cal]

A Canton radio station stated tonight that there have been eleven different prior complaints of this officer flipping out on people with death threats and violence.

[rudrules]

WOW!:airtight:

That Officer should be removed from duty and put in a High Security mental Hospital with lots of meds and serious counseling until he can show that he is not a danger to him self or others!

Cops are just humans like everyone outs, their not any better than your average Joe, their some Great Police officers but also some real Bad ones, you never know what your going to get!

Is a real tough job!

My Respect and appreciation to the great ones! Which are the minority in my opinion.

That is why I tell everyone specially the young kids, to be smart and think of who and where your going to hang out with.

You can't afford in todays World to make a bad choice and be in the wrong place at the wrong time cause it may cost you your LIFE!

:America::2pistol:

[SteelCore]

Whoa...making a sketchy situation into a effed up one in seconds.

[RandyCOG3]

I hope that he gets whatever long-term help that he clearly requires.

OTOH, I hope that he's not able to flip this nasty episode into some way of taking an early "medical" retirement. Maybe he deserves one...but I think not, and hope not.

In FL, if a "civilian" freaked out like that, he'd be "Baker Acted" and put into a psychiatric facility against his/her will for 48 hours, until an evaluation could be made to show that he wasn't "a danger to himself or others", assuming that just your typical arrest wasn't carried out for the threats made.

RandyCOG3