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M1 Tanker
06-15-2007, 08:49 AM
Hmm, how to start a world war......just add Iran and China.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/inring.htm

China arming terrorists
New intelligence reveals China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan, through Iran.
U.S. government appeals to China to check some of the arms shipments in advance were met with stonewalling by Beijing, which insisted it knew nothing about the shipments and asked for additional intelligence on the transfers. The ploy has been used in the past by China to hide its arms-proliferation activities from the United States, according to U.S. officials with access to the intelligence reports.
Some arms were sent by aircraft directly from Chinese factories to Afghanistan and included large-caliber sniper rifles, millions of rounds of ammunition, rocket-propelled grenades and components for roadside bombs, as well as other small arms.
The Washington Times reported June 5 that Chinese-made HN-5 anti-aircraft missiles were being used by the Taliban.
According to the officials, the Iranians, in buying the arms, asked Chinese state-run suppliers to expedite the transfers and to remove serial numbers to prevent tracing their origin. China, for its part, offered to transport the weapons in order to prevent the weapons from being interdicted.
The weapons were described as "late-model" arms that have not been seen in the field before and were not left over from Saddam Hussein's rule in Iraq.
U.S. Army specialists suspect the weapons were transferred within the past three months.
The Bush administration has been trying to hide or downplay the intelligence reports to protect its pro-business policies toward China, and to continue to claim that China is helping the United States in the war on terrorism. U.S. officials have openly criticized Iran for the arms transfers but so far there has been no mention that China is a main supplier.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Wednesday that the flow of Iranian arms to Afghanistan is "fairly substantial" and that it is likely taking place with the help of the Iranian government.
Defense officials are upset that Chinese weapons are being used to kill Americans. "Americans are being killed by Chinese-supplied weapons, with the full knowledge and understanding of Beijing where these weapons are going," one official said.
The arms shipments show that the idea that China is helping the United States in the war on terrorism is "utter nonsense," the official said.
John Tkacik, a former State Department official now with the Heritage Foundation, said the Chinese arms influx "continues 10 years of willful blindness in both Republican and Democrat administrations to China's contribution to severe instability in the Middle East and South Asia."
Mr. Tkacik said the administration should be candid with the American people about China's arms shipments, including Beijing's provision of man-portable air-defense missiles through Iran and Syria to warring factions in Lebanon and Gaza.
Apologists for China within the government said the intelligence reports were not concrete proof of Chinese and Iranian government complicity.
Pentagon spokesmen declined to comment. A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy did not return telephone calls seeking comment.

Iran boat threat
Iran is adding Chinese-made small boats armed with anti-ship cruise missiles to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy that can be used in attacks on shipping in the oil-rich Persian Gulf, according to the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).
"Iran still states that the [Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy] will employ swarming tactics in a conflict," ONI analyst Robert Althage said in an e-mail, noting that the paramilitary organization "continues to add boats armed with anti-ship cruise missiles, such as the FL-10, to its inventory."
China began supplying Iran over the past several years with small, high-speed C-14 catamarans armed with the optically guided FL-10 anti-ship cruise missiles.
Mr. Althage said in response to questions posed by Bloomberg News that recent exercises by the Iranians did not show any new capabilities and that the maneuvers appeared designed "for publicity."
Currently, Iran operates three Russian-made Kilo submarines but has not yet mined waterways, the ONI analyst stated.
A 2004 ONI report said the Iranian IRGC navy has more than 1,000 small boats ranging in length from 17 to 60 feet, and many are concentrated near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, where a large majority of the world's oil passes.
The boats can be used in attacks against shipping and include infantry weapons, unguided barrage rockets, recoilless guns, shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.

North Korea watch
U.S. intelligence agencies think North Korea is continuing development of nuclear weapons, as well as working on "miniaturization" of weapons for missile warheads, according to a senior Bush administration official.
Since the February nuclear accord reached in Beijing, North Korea has continued work on weapons, said a senior Bush administration official involved in North Korean affairs.
"There are no indications that they are not pursuing a nuclear weapons capability, to include the weaponization and miniaturization," the official said.
U.S. intelligence officials think North Korea, which received equipment through the covert Pakistani nuclear-supplier network headed by Abdul Qadeer Khan, obtained Chinese documents on designing a small warhead, the key to developing a nuclear weapon small enough for missile warheads.
The Chinese-language warhead design documents were first uncovered in Libya, which gave up its nuclear program in 2003.
Three recent missile tests in North Korea over the past several weeks were anti-ship cruise missiles fired during exercises that were not unusual for North Korean military forces at this time of year, the official said.
"Those who are looking at the six-party process and where we are today with [the Banco Delta Asia funds transfer] are very disappointed," the senior official said. "This doesn't build confidence. This is a time that is very tense and we want to go to implementing the 13 February agreement. So even though this is a normal exercises, I think there is an element of disappointment that North Korea would move in that direction."
North Korea has shown no signs of preparing of another underground nuclear test but "they could have a nuclear test at any time with minimal or no warning," the official said.
The October test was a "nuclear event" but the blast caused by the test was smaller than North Korea had hoped, the official said.
c Bill Gertz covers the Pentagon. He can be reached at 202/636-3274 or at bgertz @washingtontimes.com.

turbothis
06-15-2007, 09:06 AM
we really need to stop buying chineese products.

SteelCore
06-15-2007, 09:30 AM
I saw that and whent...whoa.

So, boycott on Commie-Mart yet? ;)

drine
06-15-2007, 09:33 AM
Some folks who question the "small incursions" we find ourselves in right now and seem to get the anti-war label are actually looking at the bigger picture. Your gas price is higher because 10 years ago you had 300,000 povs in China, now 3 mil. Same with India. The raw oil is needed in the East, hence higher prices per barrel! Refinery problems? That's our guys padding their pockets.
You go to Wal-Mart and most of the stuff is from China. You know what's worse? Foodstuffs are coming also. Your dogs and cats are dying(albeit a small amount) because of a "foul up" over there. What if they wanted to do something on purpose? Some food additives that may take years to build into lethal doses?
So, old Nixon may be right when he "feared" China. A religious man who read his Bible and believed the passage about the "Great Kindgom from the East".
I work for THE medical device/consumer product/baby powder company. We make injection molded products, silk suture, needles, etc. at our locale. China of course supplies the silk, are far more experienced with injection molding and would love to make cheapo needles for us. Luckily we haven't let them. Another nail in the coffin if we rely on our base health care supplies to be made in China!
A good report Tanker shares which sheds more light on the way our nation needs to move. Greed from within is costing all of us in the long run. We can't live with such a trade deficit with China and try to keep them at bay behind the scenes on the war front.

kevin
06-15-2007, 10:04 AM
you saw the counterfeit colgate toothpaste thing on the news didnt you? had antifreeze chemicals (poison) in it from china though it said made in south africa i think on the label

lately a lot of stuff from china (including pet food) has been found with toxic chemicals and poisons in them, i find that disturbing, they could do a lot of damage if those things arent caught

SteelCore
06-15-2007, 10:50 AM
Yeppers!

I have a buddy in China who is an excise cop in Beijing and neighboring areas...they crask down on counterfeit breweries, that make fake bud liight and stuff...they use formadahyde and other stuff in it. bad news.

They don;t have an EPA or an FDA...think US in the 1920's to 1950s...like Pittsburgh...acid rain, heavy metals in the H2O, all the fun stuff!

okie shooter
06-15-2007, 11:38 AM
We say its the Chinese fault, but really whos paying for the arms, if the Chinese don't sell, the Iranians will get some one else to sell weapons to them, if not the chinese, the russians, or the french or germans or anyone else willing to make a buck and sell the arms. We need to deal some what with the source of the money of the arms, that would cut the head off, dealing with the chinese is after the fact and if we got them to stop who do we go after next.

NavajoNPaleFace
06-15-2007, 01:15 PM
I agree with boycotting China...and any OTHER country that would sell us out.

The problem with that theory is if we boycotted all of those countries that iwll go behind our backs we have few to choose from...except, of course,...ALL AMERICAN GOODS!

And then...those major American companies will still sublet to other countries like China, Mexico, etc.

The issue of protest lies with our elected Congress and President who sell us out first.

nightprowler311
06-15-2007, 05:19 PM
Im a plumber and i save all my copper and brass and the price is way up there. And its not only gas prices as the media likes to tell us that is driving prices but China also. They are buying as much copper and brass as they can possibly get us to send to them. So if they are building the weapons that are killing our men and women, whos fault is it that they get the materials from us to do it.We as a nation have to smarten up. We are letting the people in it for money wipe us out slowly.

Rampager
06-15-2007, 07:06 PM
We have to remember that we (the US) made the Chinese government as powerful as it is. It was good old US dollars and investments that made China's economy what it is today.

Our nation chose to ignore China's totalitarian communist government that represses freedom and jails Christians and literally ran over it's own people that wanted democracy with tanks...all while we looked the other way just good old globalism and corporate profits could soar.

I've never understood why we fought communism in Korea and Vietnam and isolated Cuba (to this day) and are now embracing China. They are no better then the others...other than the fact they are now allowing US corporations exploit the vast cheap labor there and supply us with cheap consumer goods. What ever happened to "Red China" as it was called? Now it's a "blue light special". :wink:

We are seeing the dawning of a mega superpower. In 20 years China will be like Japan on steroids only with unlimited labor and materials...we ain't seen nothin' yet.

To me, it's similar to the government wanting to keep the borders open to allow corporations to have cheap labor. It's like they are saying to us....the hell with our country's future as long as we can make a quick buck. Globalism will be the end of this country, at least as we have known it. Time will tell.

Ok I'm done ranting...:icon_biggrin:

:America:

iocane
06-15-2007, 08:22 PM
What helped make America great was that the vast majority of Americans agreed America was to aim for being the best. That is now long gone. America has many millions of people with no united effort. If one builds something up, another rips it apart. That is really why so many companies go to China. It is becomming a nightmare to do business here. China goverment has simply decided China is to be the best. No freedom over there so no debate on it, the matter is settled. A dictatorship could never acheive what China is doing, we are making it happen. The results of the fruits of America freedom and innovation drive the Chinese industrial might. For democracy to matter it has to produce. On our current course the worlds most powerful dictatorship will have the power. Even if they choose to be peaceful do not expect to like the results. China leaders will do as they please, not as you want. We have voted with our wallets, to throw away the power of our money.

drine
06-15-2007, 08:35 PM
It's our own greed! Maybe not you and I but those "over" us. Be they elected officials or big business, they got us by the short hairs. They whip us into a frenzy over this or that then watch us take the bait like an old catfish. They'll sell out to the lowest bidder and charge the highest price. Capitalism yes but a what price? Our founding fathers left us a Billof Rights but somehow forgot the Bill of Responsibilities!
A bit OT but I liken the responsibilty aspect of it to flag burning. If a physcial act is protected as freedom of speech then why can't I punch the flag burner in his face? That's how I would communicate my feelings...see where that's going? We have rights but should be responsible enough to not abuse them. We are getting abused now don't you think?

SteelCore
06-18-2007, 12:07 PM
Yep, totally agree...we'll have no industrial base, little food processing, scant energy resources, and soon our roles as powerbrokers and middlemen will cut us outta the loop.

wait...are we there yet? :wink: