Turkish Army Pics

[Allwater]

I was doing a little "light" reading on the PKK and the whole Kurdish / northern Iraq "thing" that's going on (or should I say been going on forever!) and came across a bunch of photos of the Turkish Military...

So... They're Delayed Roller Blowback dudes, eh??? :thumbup:

[rustypirate]

Yeah, I always find it odd when people claim that the FAL is a sooo much better design, yet there seems to be much less photo evedince of FALs in the field.

Those old G3 rifles just keep showing up.......

[Player]

Yeah, I always find it odd when people claim that the FAL is a sooo much better design, yet there seems to be much less photo evedince of FALs in the field.

Those old G3 rifles just keep showing up.......

oh dear sir,

because you secretly know the FN FAL, expecially the L1A1 is an awesome, simple, effective, and accurate design
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss17.jpg
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss19.jpg

[Allwater]

Yeah, and after reading this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL) it sounds like we sorta "tricked" 'em - playing like we were going to go for that design, before deciding on the M14... interesting stuff!

OK - it's now quarter to two - TIME FOR SLEEP!!!


'night

[K.O.A.M.]

Turkey's military has always followed all things German. They got Germany's old G1's when Germany surplused them. They manufacture the G3's under a license from Germany.

[Grasshopper]

I was just thinking how I want one of them G3s
:icon_neutral:

[robocop10mm]

Oh come Henry, those pics are from 1974 Rhodesia. Everyone knows the FAL is an outdated design and only used by rag tag bands of African rebels who cannot find enough AK's to go around. JK.
I do love to see these and any "archaeic" weapons still used around the world.
And yes, the Turks have used German small arms since the late 1800's. Germany sold/gave thousands, maybe hundred of thousands of Mausers to Turkey.

[SteelCore]

also use the G-3...and the g-36 IIRC.

As for Fal vs G-3, put me in the latter category. Falling block breech just ain't my cup o tea, unless it is done rite. I'lll take the mechanically simple G3 in the desert or what have ye, and it looks like they did too.

Remember, even the Iraquis had a lot of dealings with the french and germans, and I'm sure all sortsa arms from all over made their way there.

[robocop10mm]

The Iraqi's have a lot of G-3's floating around. My 91 (with green furniture) has been referred to as the Iraqi version. I too like the simplicity of the HK/CETME system. No gas system to adjust or foul. No Inch vs Metric stuff to think about. I suppose if I had fallen into a good deal on an FN years ago instead of the HK, I might be of a different school now. There is a certain air to the FN's that is unmistakable. Very cool and sophisticated, for a battle rifle. I might like the M-14/M-1A better if it had been designed from the get go with an evil protruding pistol grip.

[Woodman in MO]

How is it we can have a FAL vs G3 discussion when we haven't settled the 9mm vs 45ACP question yet....

[SteelCore]

I thot we alrady had... .45 won! ;)

(Also, 762x39 beat 556x45, and 762x51 beat 556x45 too, and AK beat the AR. So there. its settled ! :icon_biggrin:)

"I might like the M-14/M-1A better if it had been designed from the get go with an evil protruding pistol grip."
-->The real turn-on for me with the m-14 is that brilliant short stroke piston gas system vs. gas tube...Brilliant! Why Stoner went 40 yrs backward in time to use direct gas is beyond me...I guess he was afraid that ppl would compare it to the AK (prolly it was to save on weight, actually)

[k98k792]

Not only did .45 beat 9mm,but so did Hunters pre coffee morning face.
He's been so uppity since then, there is almost no talking to him! :wink:

[Patria Povo]

Arrgghhh! I can't find my pic of the ....errr .....LARGE Turkish female soldier with her G3 to post here!!!! :eek:

Yes, I still have a chip on my shoulder about that whole Galipoli thing. :icon_biggrin:

I won't buy into trying to argue how much better the G3 is that the FAL, but I did come across an interesting article written by a Rhodesian soldier who served with some Namibian (I think) troops. He praised them, and especially their G3 rifles, while he only had a FAL! :thumbup:

[dpoe]

There are FALs in the first Austin Powers movie. I can't for the life of my find a photo of it but I know they're there!

[Woodman in MO]

There are FALs in the first Austin Powers movie. I can't for the life of my find a photo of it but I know they're there!

Is this what you're talking about? How can you tell they're FALS?
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/4618485415194684.JPG?0.09992072868374424

[Patria Povo]

Is this what you're talking about? How can you tell they're FALS?

They must be ban-era - no flash hiders :icon_biggrin:

[okie shooter]

They must be ban-era - no flash hiders :icon_biggrin:
Remember in the "The spy who shagged me" where the guards at the Cryo facility had them(sorry dpoe, not the first movie I think you are thinking of that sceen), they were British troops troops, thus L1A1's still I am not sure if those are them either.

[Player]

I'd always been turned off by how disgustingly "sooty" the G3/CETME rifles had gotten after a mere 20 shots... the FAL is way cleaner than the G3
and if the flutes get dirty enough... well you've got a single shot weapon then

sure i guess you can argue that the FAL is more sand sensitive? but the sand cuts in the L1A1's worked fine. let's also not forget the legend of the ol' dirty over on falfiles, where the STG kept on going, and going and going and going...

the adjustable gas system just made sense to me.
also, i liked the forged receiver over the sheet metal receiver

I also hate how it's a pain in the arse to reload shots fired from fluted chambers... either you clean them real well, or you can't even use them b/c it looks like stalin slammed his hammer on it

[Norton]

I have asked many of my workers who were in South and Central American Armies what did you like better the G3 or FAL? Every single one of them said they thought the FAL was better.

The Guys from El Salvador who were in the war liked the G 3 because of it's power, but said they would rather have the M 16 because as they put it..
''You can carry more bullets''

I had older Portugese concrete men who used them in Angloa say the liked the G3 and said it was a very tough weapon that always worked.
They were familair with the FAL and thought it be very good.. but said they had never carried one so could not comment on what was better.

I had one El Savador dude who said he Started out on the M 1 Garand/M1 carbine then G 3, then M 16. He thought the G 3 was good but brought up the ammo load as well

I have some dudes from the old Warsaw pact that sing prase on the AK 47 of course, they call the FAL the NATO rifle and the G3 the 'German rifle'

I ask Indians and Pakistanis about the G3 and Fal.. The Indians say FAL..
The Pakis Say AK but still say the G3 is a great rifle.. I have not asked them which is better.

I asked Iranians about the G 3 as well and they say they liked it, but again thought the AK was better. The older dudes told me the AK was junk.


I could go one, but rest assured I asked every single ex service man I work with about his countries issue rifle and they all have plenty to say.
It is very interesting to hear what they say.




*(Most use both the FAL and G3 at the same time)

[nowhereman]

oh dear sir,

because you secretly know the FN FAL, expecially the L1A1 is an awesome, simple, effective, and accurate design
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss17.jpg
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/ss19.jpg
I would have to agree the FAL has my vote.

[Optimus Prime]

I do like that second Turk... That's what a battle rifle looks like.

[K.O.A.M.]

I prefer the FAL, but I've got a PTR, a Vector 93 and a CETME. Next build is another FAL. I scored a South African kit and an Imbel receiver. It'll be number 5.

[loner42]

I think anyone who would pick a G3 over a FAL, has probably never owned a FAL.
(Inch or Metric).......................:rockon:

[Allwater]

I do like that second Turk... That's what a battle rifle looks like.

Yeah, that is the first one I stumbled over and made me want to post it here for y'all...

Yep, that rifle looks like she has some miles on her, fer sure...

So, whadda ya think - Worn in - or - Worn out ??? I guess the finish is no indicator of internal wear - but being humped around in the desert(-ish) conditions over there has got to be hard on 'em...

[dpoe]

Remember in the "The spy who shagged me" where the guards at the Cryo facility had them(sorry dpoe, not the first movie I think you are thinking of that sceen), they were British troops troops, thus L1A1's still I am not sure if those are them either.

yeah I may be wrong, it was either the first or second, definitely not the third.

ooh! either the first or the second have a ton of Beretta M12s too! but that's a different topic

[brewskzilla]

How is it we can have a FAL vs G3 discussion when we haven't settled the 9mm vs 45ACP question yet....

I will begin my response to your question by stating that I am making the assumption that you take a 9mm stance, as were it the other, you wouldn't even acknowledge that there was an issue. The FAL and the HK/CETME are the same caliber, and supposedly have the same capabilities, thus making them rivals in the who's better forum. the 9mm versus the .45 is the same as putting Shirly Temple and Ivander Hollyfield in the ring together... :fight:

By the way, that's Ivander on the left.

[brewskzilla]

Arrgghhh! I can't find my pic of the ....errr .....LARGE Turkish female soldier with her G3 to post here!!!! :eek:

Yes, I still have a chip on my shoulder about that whole Galipoli thing. :icon_biggrin:

I won't buy into trying to argue how much better the G3 is that the FAL, but I did come across an interesting article written by a Rhodesian soldier who served with some Namibian (I think) troops. He praised them, and especially their G3 rifles, while he only had a FAL! :thumbup:

Large turkish female soldier? She hot?

[loner42]

I will begin my response to your question by stating that I am making the assumption that you take a 9mm stance, as were it the other, you wouldn't even acknowledge that there was an issue. The FAL and the HK/CETME are the same caliber, and supposedly have the same capabilities, thus making them rivals in the who's better forum. the 9mm versus the .45 is the same as putting Shirly Temple and Ivander Hollyfield in the ring together... :fight:

By the way, that's Ivander on the left.


:lolgreen:


9mm = .45acp set on "stun"

[Patria Povo]

Large turkish female soldier? She hot?

Soooooo NOT hot, hahahaha. Someone did post a link on the old site with lots of pics of female soldiers - including both some attractive and less attractive ladies with G3s. :airtight:

There were probably also some L1A1s/FALs in there as well, but who cares about them? :icon_biggrin:

[Player]

There were probably also some L1A1s/FALs in there as well, but who cares about them? :icon_biggrin:

I guess the Germans and their friends don't.

[AZPhil]

They have been allies for a looooong time.

just look at all the WW1 turked commision 88.

[rustypirate]

Geez.....

I did not mean to start up THIS discussion again!

I will now officially go on record as saying theat I feel the FAL is a fine firearm, and has many design features that are superior to any other.

My only point was that as we find images of soldiers in the field, I am noticing that more of those photos are of soldiers carrying G3 weapons than FALs.

Of course the most commonly displayed rifles are AK amd M16 varients, but that does not make them better than the FAL either.

[Allwater]

Soooooo NOT hot, hahahaha. Someone did post a link on the old site with lots of pics of female soldiers - including both some attractive and less attractive ladies with G3s.

Oh yeah - there were the some pics of IDF girls in there :clapping: sweeeet!!!

So, should we bring it back in a new thread??? Who's game....

Hey admin(s) - can we, can we, can we??? (damn, i sound like my kids)

[IL DUCE]

I think anyone who would pick a G3 over a FAL, has probably never owned a FAL.
(Inch or Metric).......................:rockon:

I own a Cetme now and all I can say is............I miss my STG58 FAL :cry2:

[jettag]

My wife picked out an Israeli heavy barrel but I don't know enough about them to sink 1000+ into it yet.
I've read about the good the bad and the ugly & I'm no fool so I want it to appreciate in value as well as shoot at my leisure.
My only other experience with Izzys was a Browning HP copy that sucked then failed (slide bent and deformed after first mag).

Are the Izzy Heavies a decent investment & reliable?

[nowhereman]

If I had it to do over I would have not bought one of my AR's or CETME and bought the FAL.

[loner42]

My wife picked out an Israeli heavy barrel but I don't know enough about them to sink 1000+ into it yet.
I've read about the good the bad and the ugly & I'm no fool so I want it to appreciate in value as well as shoot at my leisure.
My only other experience with Izzys was a Browning HP copy that sucked then failed (slide bent and deformed after first mag).

Are the Izzy Heavies a decent investment & reliable?

Izzy HB's have appreciated in price in the last 5-6 years but there are alot of mixed part guns out there advertised as Izzy HB's. For one to maintain it's value it needs to be 100% izzy except for receiver (preferrably DSA or Imbel) even if it isn't all matching numbers, and most people would'nt know what to look for to insure that it is.

They are also VERY HEAVY,and you'd only want to shoot it benchrested or prone with the bipod. Not offhand at all.

If i could only have 1 FAL, It would be a STG58 kit built on a DSA OR Imbel receiver. 2ND choice would be a G1 built the same. Either would be a cheaper investment and a gun you could enjoy shooting as much as you want.

My 02 centavos...................

[jfowl31]

The obvious answer is that neither are better than the other.

It was stated that anyone who chooses a G3/Cetme has never owned a FAL, I'll submit that anyone who chooses a FAL has never owned a sweet shooting Cetme or G3 or 91 for that matter.

Ive shot some FAL's both good ones and bad ones, and I would take MY Cetme over them any day of the week if SHTF. I ran I think it was 600 something rounds through my Cetme without any cleaning of any type before I had a failure that wasnt even related to anything dirty, but a magazine riding too low.

They are both equally good, equally different designs that both have faults. My main complaint with just about all European Semis is the lack of a last round bolt hold open.

The ultimate 308 battlerifle would be a gas piston 308 AR-10..... all the adaptability to be any kind of weapon you want, great sights (sights on FAL and G3/ Cetme both blow ass), great balance, ease of maintenance, and totally modular.

Before buying after holding both a DSA FAL and my LTD Cetme, I went with the Cetme because it pointed more naturally for me, and I have always thought the FAL sights looked like a 5 year old was playing with a drill in the rear sight. I also like the lack of a gas system because its just one less thing to fool with. I clean the crap out of all my chambers anyways, so the fluted chamber doesnt bother me in the least when it comes to cleaning.

But I'll say it again, none of us can judge the G3/Cetme design based on our rifles... 90% of them are basically CAI hackjobs, whereas the original weapons ran smooth as a top. There are some great builders of FAL's though and that is one thing the Cetme/G3 is lacking. If we were choosing the original weapons from when they were brand new from the arsenal... IMO G3 hands down. Now if we are choosing a CAI black widow vs a DSA FAL or the likes, the choice is pretty obvious. But that said, I wouldnt trade MY Cetme for an FAL........ but I got a good one.

[Patria Povo]

Now if we are choosing a CAI black widow vs a DSA FAL or the likes, the choice is pretty obvious. But that said, I wouldnt trade MY Cetme for an FAL........ but I got a good one.

+1! All good points, jfowl. :thumbup:

Only thing I'd add is that a JLD/PTR receiver is about as close to the GI original as the DSA is to its own.

I'm trying hard to keep out of the rest of the argument on G3 vrs FAL - as there really isn't THAT much difference, they are both fine rifles.

I shot SLRs (L1A1s) in the reserves and carried a G3 around, for a little while, in a war. I like and respect 'em both - my personal preference just happens to be for the G3.

[loner42]

[QUOTE=jfowl31;56273]

They are both equally good, equally different designs that both have faults. My main complaint with just about all European Semis is the lack of a last round bolt hold open.[QUOTE]


Guess which of the 2 HAS that feature..??:lolgreen:

[QUOTE]
The ultimate 308 battlerifle would be a gas piston 308 AR-10..[QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
I also like the lack of a gas system because its just one less thing to fool with.[QUOTE]

Somethin don't seem to sound right there...........:rolleyes: :confused:

[jfowl31]

I wasn't aware that the FAL was equipped with a last round bolt hold open feature.... the 3 I shot most certainly did NOT have this feature, or at least it was not working correctly. I did some quick google search reading, and the FAL apparently DOES have that feature, but CAI ground the pin off their rifles, and it wont work unless the gas system is adjusted to send the carrier ALL the way back. That doesn't sound like too much of a pain.

And what doesn't sound right about me not liking a gas system that needs adjustment, but liking a completely different weapon that is totally modular, and gas piston driven? The reasons for liking an AR-10 also have to do with comfort of the weapon. I HATE direct gas impingement, but the AR line of rifles point better than any other battle rifle in the world IMO, and have incredible sights compared to the other 2 rifles in discussion here.

Its obvious what your choice is by your sigline...... but its time to realize that the FAL nor any other rifle is the end-all-be-all of rifles. And quite honestly, as much as noone wants to admit it, a modular system like the M16 and AR-10 is about the closest we have to that right now. Virtually any caliber you would ever want to shoot with just hte push of 2 pins. Any kind of aftermarket accessory you would ever want to put on a rifle and more... stocks for men and women of any size and shape, great sights, great pointability, light weight, low recoil, great trigger........

and with that said, I would put my rifle up for a torture test against either the AR-10 or any FAL if I had the money to waste. MOA out to 700 yards (with SA surplus).... failure free on G3 mags (you know, the ones that cost a buck!), and plenty of furniture sets for just about any application I can think of... all in a package that looks WAY cooler than an FAL :)

[loner42]

Well i guess it's all a matter of taste, different strokes and all that stuff.

700 yds !!!!!!!!!. Man i can't even see that far..................:poke:

Not sure what you're referring to about the Century FALs bolt hold open but the gas system or adjustment has nothing to do with its function. It either works or it doesn't and i've not had one that does'nt.

As far as the sights go, the only difference in the FAL rear sight and an AR is a knob instead of 2 opposing screws for windage adjustment and a slider instead of a crank wheel. Both are elevation and windage adjustable. You can also buy a FAL lower from DSA that uses a AR rear sight and someone makes an adaptor to put one on a reg. lower.

Front sights on both are almost identical, as a matter of fact i believe Mr. Stoner copied the AR Fr.sight from the FAL.

[QUOTE=jfowl31;56414]

And what doesn't sound right about me not liking a gas system that needs adjustment, but liking a completely different weapon that is totally modular, and gas piston driven? The reasons for liking an AR-10 also have to do with comfort of the weapon. I HATE direct gas impingement, but the AR line of rifles point better than any other battle rifle in the world IMO, and have incredible sights compared to the other 2 rifles in discussion here.[QUOTE]


Now you really have me confused:


AR-10
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AR-10
AR-10 Rifle
AR-10
Type Battle rifle
Place of origin Flag of the United States United States
Service history
In service 1958–1985 (Sudan) 1960-1976 (Portugal)
Used by Guatemala, Sudan, Portugal, Italy, Cuba, Burma
Wars Angola, Mozambique, Sudan, Dominican Republic, Portuguese Timor
Production history
Designer Eugene Stoner
Designed 1955-56
Manufacturer Fairchild Armalite, Artillerie Inrichtingen (AI)
Produced 1956–1960
Number built approx. 10,000


The AR-10 is a lightweight, air-cooled, magazine-fed, gas operated, select-fire rifle that fires 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win cal.) ammunition. Designed by Eugene Stoner, the AR-10 operates on the direct impingement gas principle and features an in-line stock, aluminum alloy receiver, and reinforced fiberglass furniture. The AR-10 was built in relatively small numbers with perhaps 10,000 rifles assembled.

The FALS are gas piston operated...............

Bushmaster 308's are also gas impingement, and use FAL mags.

[QUOTE]
Its obvious what your choice is by your sigline...... but its time to realize that the FAL nor any other rifle is the end-all-be-all of rifles. And quite honestly, as much as noone wants to admit it, a modular system like the M16 and AR-10 is about the closest we have to that right now. Virtually any caliber you would ever want to shoot with just hte push of 2 pins. Any kind of aftermarket accessory you would ever want to put on a rifle and more... stocks for men and women of any size and shape, great sights, great pointability, light weight, low recoil, great trigger....[QUOTE]

I don't think that FALS are the end-all-be-all of rifles , I have 4 of them and a bunch of unbuilt kits,receivers and parts.
3 Cetmes, with 2 kits w/o receivers
An FMP G3 kit with no receiver
A couple 308 bolt guns
Bunch of AK's ,SAIGA's, VZ58 kits waiting to be built AND a Bushmaster xm-15 that i dearly love................

As far as looking way cooler than a FAL, well, that's a matter of opinion..( yours, not mine) and thats fine with me.

Just thought i'd straighten out a few things you seem to be confused on ,and you obviously have never owned a FAL.............

By the way that's a very nice Cetme you have........:thumbup:

My 02 centavos

Sorry Allwater for jackin your thread.....................

[jfowl31]

I am aware of everything you are saying... the only thing I wasnt aware of was that the FAL had a last round bolt hold open, because the ones I have shot did NOT lock open after the last round.

I am completely aware that the AR-10 is direct gas impingement, and that is precisely why I stated that a Gas piston AR10 WOULD BE the best 308 battle rifle.

I am completely aware that the FAL is piston driven, and never once stated that it was not.

Anyone who looks though the sights of an FAL and then looks through an M16 based rifle can tell you the sights are not even on the same plane as far as picture goes. they can be as adjustable as you want them to be, but if the picture sucks, they do me no good. That is precisely why I scoped my Cetme.

The thing is, all these rifles are lacking in some area. The FAL is heavy (as is the G3) long and IMO uncomfortable to point and shoot (my opinion only on that one) The G3 has faults IMO with no forward assist (for chamber checks) and no hold open, though it does have the advantage in afordable mags (50 for $50 is hard to beat). The AR-10 is lacking 1 thing IMO, and thats a gas piston. It HAS forward assist, shell deflector, light weight, short length if desired, a modular design that can have any accessory you would ever need added, ease of assembly and cleaning, and abundance of US made replacement parts if they are ever needed... if it had a decent gas system it would be the ultimate 308 battle rifle.

AND... with that said, Id still keep my Cetme over an FAL or AR10.

As usual "arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... if you win youre still a retard." The only reason Im responding is because you are talking down to me and telling me stuff I already know (granted, you did enlighten me on the bolt hold open)... I have no problem with agreeing to disagree.

and yes, it will always be my opinion that FAL's are ugly beasts compared to the sexy look of a Cetme or G3. As Ive stated, they are both fine weapons with faults, and if I had to choose 1 (in their original glorious forms), I'd grab a German G3 or a Cetme C if available.

[Patria Povo]

As usual "arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... if you win youre still a retard."

You asked for it :D

[loner42]

Jfowl31, sorry if you took my method of trying to point out to you some misstated facts about FALs as "talking down to you". That was not my intention.

Just opinions and we all have em............................

My apologies.

:fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::fn-fal::thumbup:

[Optimus Prime]

So yeah... Turkish Army Pics...

[Allwater]

Well, it took a little longer than I originally thought (posted back in Jan), but hang on to your hats - THIS (http://www.citizen.co.za/index/Article.aspx?pDesc=1,1,22&Type=top&File=080222090708.jashzagm.xml) could get interesting...

Allwater


More here (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080222/D8UVC4NO0.html) too

[K.O.A.M.]

I have a Gunplumber built G3 clone and three Gunplumber built FALs. I prefer the FALs because they recoil less and I find it easier to make followup shots. I like the G3 because of the cheap accessories (mags, scope, sling) and the ease of changing things out.

They're both great guns. I would carry the FAL if I had the option. Since I don't, I carry an M14.

[W.E.G.]

Somebody said they wanted pics of FAL's in action?

All your FAL are belong to us!!!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/FalklandFALpile.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/Falklandsgunpileonboatpic-pow.jpg

[Smokehouse69]

Somebody said they wanted pics of FAL's in action?

All your FAL are belong to us!!!



That had to be in the Falklands:thumbup:
I wonder if the Brits dumped those in the ocean?

[nowhereman]

Just one thats all I want.... Just one...

[Allwater]

Those pics are amazing! That's a ton of hardware...

[Perro]

I think anyone who would pick a G3 over a FAL, has probably never owned a FAL.
(Inch or Metric).......................:rockon:
i own several FALs and id still take a cetme / g3 over the fal

the cetme (which includes hk) is shorter, lighter, simple blowback, headspace correcting to a certain extent, alot less parts which equals less parts to break when you need it most.
whoever said the cetme/g3 kicks more than a FAL is crazy in my opinion (but i will say fealt recoil is different for different people).

there are 2 things im willing to give the FAL for credit over the g3
1. its easier to clean
2. when its time to correct headspace, even total hacks with no skill can drive out a locking shoulder with a hammer

the cetme / hk has it beat hands down everywhere else for me

[jef1911a1]

I hate to bring this up, but did any one who read Allwater's first link also read the link on the "silly prank" of the guy who hooked up a compressor to his bud's rectum and filled the guy with air? Oh, mother ship, please, I'm ready, lets go! Get me out of here!

[Rampager]

Having both a FAL, a Cetme and a G3 clone, I like many of the features of the Cetme, G3 designs for all the reasons listed above including being a slightly more accurate, and having less recoil than the FAL. I’ll add too that the G3 looks cooler to me “sexier”.

But there are a few things I like about the FAL over the Cetme/HK:

- Non-fluted chamber (more brass friendly).
- Adjustable gas for variable types of ammo.
- Gas piston design.
- Charging system feels better, smoother, less travel, less noisy to me
- Stronger milled receiver, be it heavier.
- Mag release is a better design, at least on our US clones.
- Bolt hold open on all but the L1A1, but it can easily be added.
- Easier to maintain, push a lever…within 2 seconds you have the bolt carrier and bolt in your hand. Dust cover slides out so you can clean and inspect the innards.

But my take is on them both is to simply buy both and enjoy both designs, they are both great guns.

[rideronthestorm]

A while back someone said they were there when they "fell of the back of the boat". What a waste!