When liberals make war movies

[jef1911a1]

I have been stewing about this for a few days now, and can't take it any more.
I rented the movie "Rescue Dawn" that is supposed to be a true "story" about a Navy pilot shot down in Laos in '65. Done by Werner Herzog. First off, I have never heard of a fighter pilot(helocopter maybe) pilot wearing a 1911a1 on a waist belt. Always a shoulder holster, from what I have seen.
Now it gets worse. Once shot down, this guy(Christian Bale playing pilot Dieter) throws away his issue .45!
About 1/2 way into the movie he, armed with an AK, and his bud, armed with an SKS, throw both into a river!
Am I wrong, or is this not a good move. Aside from the threat of the enemy, the jungle is not a good place to be unarmed. I have been in a jungle, and when it gets dark they are not a "rain forest." Any one else seen this film and feel like I do? Jef

[nowhereman]

I have been stewing about this for a few days now, and can't take it any more.
I rented the movie "Rescue Dawn" that is supposed to be a true "story" about a Navy pilot shot down in Laos in '65. Done by Werner Herzog. First off, I have never heard of a fighter pilot(helocopter maybe) pilot wearing a 1911a1 on a waist belt. Always a shoulder holster, from what I have seen.
Now it gets worse. Once shot down, this guy(Christian Bale playing pilot Dieter) throws away his issue .45!
About 1/2 way into the movie he, armed with an AK, and his bud, armed with an SKS, throw both into a river!
Am I wrong, or is this not a good move. Aside from the threat of the enemy, the jungle is not a good place to be unarmed. I have been in a jungle, and when it gets dark they are not a "rain forest." Any one else seen this film and feel like I do? Jef

I have been wanting to see it. What caught my eye in the movie ad in the magazine was the pic with them with the AK and SKS. Sounds like it might be frustrating to watch as a gun enthusiast.

[Phirebug]

if it makes you feel any better, i watched Born On The Fourth Of July in Iraq. when i was done i shot the dvd.


turns out oliver stone IS a lazy communist.

[Optimus Prime]

Saw a preview for "Stop Loss" at Cloverfield yesterday... made me say to the friend next to me, 'yay... let's make heroes out of deserters... @$#&ers...'

[Norton]

Ok Rescue Dawn is no good..

Try a Movie Called ZULU Dawn if you you like movies about Dawn, this one will not disapoint you..

By the way Burt Lancaster could knock Christian Bale's Teeth out.

[Woodman in MO]

Man I had high hopes for that movie. I only made it through a third cause I just thought the acting sucked.

[nowhereman]

Ok Rescue Dawn is no good..

Try a Movie Called ZULU Dawn if you you like movies about Dawn, this one will not disapoint you..

By the way Burt Lancaster could knock Christian Bale's Teeth out.
How about those canister shots. Mmmm....tough.....Laid out bout 50 Zulu at a time......

[nowhereman]

Saw a preview for "Stop Loss" at Cloverfield yesterday... made me say to the friend next to me, 'yay... let's make heroes out of deserters... @$#&ers...'

What the smell is Cloverfield about?....

[bladeworks123]

I have been stewing about this for a few days now, and can't take it any more.
I rented the movie "Rescue Dawn" that is supposed to be a true "story" about a Navy pilot shot down in Laos in '65. Done by Werner Herzog. First off, I have never heard of a fighter pilot(helocopter maybe) pilot wearing a 1911a1 on a waist belt. Always a shoulder holster, from what I have seen.
Now it gets worse. Once shot down, this guy(Christian Bale playing pilot Dieter) throws away his issue .45!
About 1/2 way into the movie he, armed with an AK, and his bud, armed with an SKS, throw both into a river!
Am I wrong, or is this not a good move. Aside from the threat of the enemy, the jungle is not a good place to be unarmed. I have been in a jungle, and when it gets dark they are not a "rain forest." Any one else seen this film and feel like I do? Jef


I think this is a Hollywood tradition that carries through from the old westerns where the cowboy in the desert drains the last few drops of water from his canteen and then tosses it into the sagebrush. As a kid when I saw that the first time I asked my dad, "why did he do that....what's he gonna put his water in when he finds some?" My dad answered "good question, guess that's just how they do it in Hollywood" From that day on we always made a verbal note to each other of the fact that the cowboys threw away another perfectly good canteen. So that's all you get here NUCK,,,,,,,,,"good question, guess that's just the way they do it in Hollywood."

[dpoe]

personally I hated Rescue Dawn. Christian Bale disappointed me.

[Optimus Prime]

What the smell is Cloverfield about?....

Cloverfield = giant monster movie...

[hunter_la5]

personally I hated Rescue Dawn. Christian Bale disappointed me.

+1 I was really looking forward to it, and it was a huge disappointment

the movie was "based" on the true story, but from what I've read Werner Herzog pretty much butchered the story so badly that there was little accuracy left in the movie.

[jettag]

One of those awesome Hollywood class3's that never needs to be reloaded.
.308 Please!
And a pistol in .45 with a million rnd magazine.:rockon:

[M1 Tanker]

When liberals make war movies......

Recently Hollywood, our glorious, communist, ultra liberal morons that call themselves Americans released 4 war movies, all pretty close together. "In the Valley of Elah, Rendition, Redacted and Lions for Lambs" I have seen none of them, as I'm sure you haven't either. We American's rejected them all, because they were all anti war, anti military anti soldier and down right anti American. Luckily the rest of America agreed with me and almost NO one went to see these films....despite the names like Reese Witherspoon, Meryl Streep, Tommy Lee Jones, Charlize Theron, Tom Cruise, Robert Redford and Susan Sarandon being big stars in them.

Guys, we all remember the films we grew up with as kids. Those great Hollywood WWII films, espeically those made during the war. They were full of propaganda for OUR side, they didn't aid the damn enemy. Even post war, the films continued to be the right kind of movies....the ones we watched with our dads on saturday afternoons.

Too bad Hollywood has forgotten what being an American is about. If they made a film about the heroes of the Global War of Terrorism, inside of the nasty side of it, maybe America would go see it.

Hollywood....what a bunch of wackos.

[brewskzilla]

Actually, most Naval pilots, from what I've seen, carry a .38 revolver in a shoulder holster. At least that's what they carried when I was in. The Marine pilots still carried the .45, but the Navy guys seemed to love the .38. Go figure. Me, I'd carry Dirty Harry's .44 mag. All you got to to is point that thing at someone and they die of a heart attack.

[nowhereman]

When liberals make war movies......

Recently Hollywood, our glorious, communist, ultra liberal morons that call themselves Americans released 4 war movies, all pretty close together. "In the Valley of Elah, Rendition, Redacted and Lions for Lambs" I have seen none of them, as I'm sure you haven't either. We American's rejected them all, because they were all anti war, anti military anti soldier and down right anti American. Luckily the rest of America agreed with me and almost NO one went to see these films....despite the names like Reese Witherspoon, Meryl Streep, Tommy Lee Jones, Charlize Theron, Tom Cruise, Robert Redford and Susan Sarandon being big stars in them.

Guys, we all remember the films we grew up with as kids. Those great Hollywood WWII films, espeically those made during the war. They were full of propaganda for OUR side, they didn't aid the damn enemy. Even post war, the films continued to be the right kind of movies....the ones we watched with our dads on saturday afternoons.

Too bad Hollywood has forgotten what being an American is about. If they made a film about the heroes of the Global War of Terrorism, inside of the nasty side of it, maybe America would go see it.

Hollywood....what a bunch of wackos.
Lions for Lambs was actually not that anti American or war or whatever. IMO it left you with a decision YOU have to make about the movie. It showed how the Iraq war was spun, how the media helped press it there "huge role", and a theoretical on how senators do a little dirty business. It shows how the media is backsliding now after hyping the "cause." Now there were some parts that rubbed me the wrong way as my father and grandfather are war vets whome I respect. You might want to watch it I will admit it is leaning left but it shows views from both sides. The roles both sides play and the effects of it. Its hard for me to explain. You as any political movie have to take it w/ a grain of salt. And yes I miss the good old movies we all grew up with. Just recently we had Saving Private Ryan, "great movie", and The Thin Red Line "great movie but not accurate at all." Now we have Flags of our Father and Letters from Iwo Jima which caused the Japanese govment to change the name to its "real name" Iwo To... Yes I wish the actors would just act and keep there mouth shut. Tom Cruise has got to be the biggest dehydrated douche bag on earth did you see his scientology award. Douche, douche.......

[hunter_la5]

+1 on Saving Private Ryan, I think that was probably the last great war movie ever made. there have been several good ones made since then (and alot of terrible ones), but SPR to me was the last truly Great war movie.


Yes I wish the actors would just act and keep there mouth shut. Tom Cruise has got to be the biggest dehydrated douche bag on earth did you see his scientology award. Douche, douche.......


yeah I saw that, I'm about ready for Tom Cruise to just crawl in a hole somewhere and go away. It amazes me how silly these celebrity fads can be. first it was Kaballah, and now this

Tom Cruise and his medal of stupidity are starting to remind me of Flava Flav :icon_razz:

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[pigpen]

The acting was real bad in rescue down along with most of the things everyone has already mentioned. I just want to know why did all the SKS's had the bayonets removed??

[Allwater]

Hunter - Thanks man... Your Cruise/Flav pic post made me spill my coffee!

Well done - I got a good belly laugh from that one :worthy:

[M1 Tanker]

While I throughly enjoyed Saving Private Ryan, I truly think Band of Brothers was better.

[Schmitty]

Am I wrong, or is this not a good move. Aside from the threat of the enemy, the jungle is not a good place to be unarmed. I have been in a jungle, and when it gets dark they are not a "rain forest." Any one else seen this film and feel like I do? Jef
I thought the movie was retarded too. I was like, "WTF?" when they threw their guns in the river.

[nowhereman]

While I throughly enjoyed Saving Private Ryan, I truly think Band of Brothers was better.
Oh man I forgot about Band of Brothers, they are SPR and Band are awesome movies. There is one more HBO special that came out right around that time that was good too WWII based I can't remember what it was... I just remember it having Dwight Yokam in it, was that Band of Brothers?

[Optimus Prime]

Band of Brothers had the advantage time to get really into the characters and really go in depth with the story... but I have to agree, there haven't been any good war movies for far too long.

[nowhereman]

Band of Brothers had the advantage time to get really into the characters and really go in depth with the story... but I have to agree, there haven't been any good war movies for far too long.

During the late 90's we had a rash of movies focusing on WWII. America or "hollywood" woke up and figured out we fought this whole other war and we were loosing heroes by the 10 of hundreds every day "then." There was a Mel Gibson movie that I liked that was about the first clash in Vietnam involving American troops, can't remember what it was called though. Blackhawk Down was good but I think that goes into a whole other category in this discussion.

[Patria Povo]

Interesting ... I haven't heard of this one.

I did see a brilliant Hertzog documentary called 'Little Dieter Wants to Fly', interviewing a German-born US naval pilot shot-down in Laos and held as a POW until he escaped. Hertzog went back to Laos and Vietnam, retracing his steps. It was an incredible story, well told and documented and very moving.

[M1 Tanker]

Oh man I forgot about Band of Brothers, they are SPR and Band are awesome movies. There is one more HBO special that came out right around that time that was good too WWII based I can't remember what it was... I just remember it having Dwight Yokam in it, was that Band of Brothers?


The movie you are taking about is called "When Trumpets Fade". Its about the 28th ID (the bloody bucket) during the battle of the Hurtgen Forest....which was a terrible waste.

Amazon.com carries it, but it was originally an HBO movie.

[nowhereman]

The movie you are taking about is called "When Trumpets Fade". Its about the 28th ID (the bloody bucket) during the battle of the Hurtgen Forest....which was a terrible waste.

Amazon.com carries it, but it was originally an HBO movie.
Thats it, a little lower budget but same indepth character acting and Band of Brothers authenticity. Good movie IMO.

[hunter_la5]

Interesting ... I haven't heard of this one.

I did see a brilliant Hertzog documentary called 'Little Dieter Wants to Fly', interviewing a German-born US naval pilot shot-down in Laos and held as a POW until he escaped. Hertzog went back to Laos and Vietnam, retracing his steps. It was an incredible story, well told and documented and very moving.

that's the story that the movie is about

[hunter_la5]

you're right Tanker, I forgot about Band of Brothers. it and SPR are about as good as war movies get imo


The movie you are taking about is called "When Trumpets Fade". Its about the 28th ID (the bloody bucket) during the battle of the Hurtgen Forest....which was a terrible waste.

Amazon.com carries it, but it was originally an HBO movie.

I bought that movie from the bargain bin of the video store a few years back, I wasnt that impressed with it (not because of the low budget, I've enjoyed low budget war movies like Lost Battalion, just in general I did not care for it).

[nevada]

Zulu Dawn is OK, but I prefer ZuLu! Same stuff, only better.

[Norton]

Yes ZULU was the better.. who could ever forget
At One hundred Yards... Volley Fire Present!

The Mel Gibson Vietnam movie Nuckledust brought up was called

Once We Were Soldiers..

I thought it was very good, carefull attentions was paid to the correct weapons, 1965 period US Army uniforms, haircuts and attitudes.
The NVA army's view was presented as well. I felt the overall feel of the movie was that of a 1950s Korean war movie. Cynical about the war, but protraying American soldiers as brave and very well trained. The North Vietnam Army was not romantized or shown through a PC filter either.

As for obscure movies there was a Aussie movie about Vietnam made in the early 80s called 'An Odd Angry Shot' It showed the point of view of Australian light Infantry circa 1966. They had the correct uniforms, carried FALs and a single M 16. it also showed how they lived in rear.. i.e. drinking these 'huge' cans beer and gambling with the Americans.

[nowhereman]

you're right Tanker, I forgot about Band of Brothers. it and SPR are about as good as war movies get imo



I bought that movie from the bargain bin of the video store a few years back, I wasnt that impressed with it (not because of the low budget, I've enjoyed low budget war movies like Lost Battalion, just in general I did not care for it).
Watch it again, I am 31 and I believe it came out around 97. I didn't really see much difference besides the budget. It had a few lame parts I don't know I saw it again a few years ago and still liked it... I think I like anything WWII I guess.

[SteelCore]

Any good? Was it just _Blair witch project_ with monster instead?

[nowhereman]

Any good? Was it just _Blair witch project_ with monster instead?

Hate any giant monster movie since the most recent Godzilla. I am skeptical of any movie that wont give you any hint of what it may be about either.

[Old Jimmy]

Well guys,
It is really hard to make even a semi accurate war movie anymore because NONE of our actors today are veterans. If you think about it, almost every GOOD quality war movie we ever saw had REAL WAR VETS in them.

John Wayne wasnt a vet, but I woulda followed him anywhere.

You had Audie Murphy, Charles Bronson,Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine,Eddie Albert and many more.

Today you have "actors" who have never even shot a real weapon but they look good posing with it pretending to know what they are trying to do.

Old Jimmy

[hunter_la5]

Watch it again, I am 31 and I believe it came out around 97. I didn't really see much difference besides the budget. It had a few lame parts I don't know I saw it again a few years ago and still liked it... I think I like anything WWII I guess.

will do. I remember liking the beginning, but I think there was probably some minor cheesy thing that happened that I probably got hung up on later on in the movie, which always seems to happen :icon_biggrin: but it's been a few years for me so I should probably give it another shot

[Patria Povo]

Yes ZULU was the better.. who could ver forget
At One hundred Yards... Volley Fire Present!

The Mel Gibson Vietnam movie Nuckledust brought up was called

Once We Were Soldiers..

I thought it was very good, carefull attentions was paid to the correct weapons, 1965 period US Army uniforms, haircuts and attitudes.
The NVA army's view was presented as well. I felt the overall feel of the movie was that of a 1950s Korean war movie. Cynical about the war, but protraying American soldiers as brave and very well trained. The North Vietnam Army was not romantized or shown through a PC filter either.

As for obscure movies there was a Aussie movie about Vietnam made in the early 80s called 'An Odd Angry Shot' It showed the point of view of Australian light Infantry circa 1966. They the correct uniforms, carried FALs and a single M 16. it also showed how they lived in rear.. i.e. drinking these 'huge' cans beer and gambling with the Americans.

Ha, yeh, Odd Angry Shot was a great film with Graham Kennedy, of all people, in the lead. Can't say I was that impressed by We Were Soldiers Once, but t did stay fairly true to the book - which was written by a friend of my father's. I'm still waiting for James A Webb's Fields Of Fire to be filmed! :thumbup:

[nowhereman]

Well guys,
It is really hard to make even a semi accurate war movie anymore because NONE of our actors today are veterans. If you think about it, almost every GOOD quality war movie we ever saw had REAL WAR VETS in them.

John Wayne wasnt a vet, but I woulda followed him anywhere.

You had Audie Murphy, Charles Bronson,Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine,Eddie Albert and many more.

Today you have "actors" who have never even shot a real weapon but they look good posing with it pretending to know what they are trying to do.

Old Jimmy
I completely understand Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Eddie Albert etc. but, lets look at Tom Hanks "awesome" "led the 90's campaign to recognize WWII vets", and on the other hand we have Tom Sizemore a crack head/ meth addict. Both great actors and "as far as I know not vets or even served" Just throwing out some hope... Man Sizemore let me down what a pathetic dumb ass..... I don't want to hear its a disease from anyone either, its pure lack of self discipline and selfishness....

[nowhereman]

Did anyone find Full Metal Jacket or Platoon accurate or just action or action accurate. Still love those movies. My dad's favorite is Apocalypse Now, I ended up borrowing his VHS years ago and lost it. He was pissed....

[Old Jimmy]

I love both those movies but in Platoon all the men like Bunny and Sgt. Barnes were kill crazy and the only decent acting person was Sgt. Elias but when Cris goes into the hooch for the first time, Elias waves at him like a gay guy. Sgt Oneil acted like he was tough but was a total coward. What about the movie with Michel J. Fox and Sean Penn? The liberals ALWAYS try to make everyone babykillers and rapists or cowards. Your real war movies with vet actors would not put up with this kinda crap and thats why they dont use vets anymore I think. Another liberal war movie was Jarhead in my opinion.

Old Jimmy

[k98k792]

One of my favorite WW2 movies "A Walk in the Sun"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Walk_in_the_Sun

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0038235/#comment

[nowhereman]

I love both those movies but in Platoon all the men like Bunny and Sgt. Barnes were kill crazy and the only decent acting person was Sgt. Elias but when Cris goes into the hooch for the first time, Elias waves at him like a gay guy. Sgt Oneil acted like he was tough but was a total coward. What about the movie with Michel J. Fox and Sean Penn? The liberals ALWAYS try to make everyone babykillers and rapists or cowards. Your real war movies with vet actors would not put up with this kinda crap and thats why they dont use vets anymore I think. Another liberal war movie was Jarhead in my opinion.

Old Jimmy
Jarhead, I wasn't in the Army so I don't know if you were treated like that in the 80's/ 90's. But how much did the infantry really engage Iraq army. It focused on a war won by air, and infantrymen not having a chance to do much. I have a friend in the Marines and he said that the really stupid guy in Jarhead "the one that shot the camel" there are a few of those that he went through training with. Well I am beyond my knowledge of actual military experience so I won't comment beyond. I was in ROTC in college and found it to be really, really childish. I think its the reason I never committed to OCS.... As I approached my late 20's I just lost the fire I had at that period of time that and finding out I was born w/ a mild form of MS which gives me chronic leg and foot pain. :boohoo:

[Norton]

[QUOTE=nuckldust;56578]Did anyone find Full Metal Jacket or Platoon accurate or just action or action accurate. Still love those movies.QUOTE]


I liked FMJ's Boot camp segment it looked real and Lee Emory was a real DI.
But I was in the Army not the USMC so I cannont say how acurate it was from first hand knowlege. So I began thinking about Army Boot camp movies and believe it or not. I know this was not a real war picture per say. But for me 'Stripes' was a fairly accurate reperestation of the FT Jackson/Knox type boot camp or the late 1970s or at least until 1981.
I went in late 1979 and unless you were a Ranger, Paratrooper or some other High Speed MOS.. You were 'stuck in' with a fair amount of weirdos, out of shape fat guys, and former drugies..
Bill Murray, John Candy could have been my Platoon mates.
Sgt Hulka played by Warren Oats (real Army Veteran) was fairly accurate as a late 70s early 80s Vietnam veteran Drill Sergeant.
He and Bill Murray's little talk in the latrine was right on the money.. As they could still punch you and they would do it .
The pow wow scene where everybody had to tell, where he was from and why he joined the Army was 100% accurate.

The dude who told everybody ' I don't like anybody touching my stuff .. if you touch my stuff... I'll kill you!" We had one of those guys.

anyway I still enjoy that movie for a laugh

[Phirebug]

stripes was filmed at ft knox. it was kind of weird watching it, because those barracks buildings are still there. they use them for mout training now. it was just bizarre to be watching the movie and go, "hey, i cleared that building once"
when i went through basic it was a little bit different than when you went through, norton, but a lot of the things were still pretty much the same. the pow wow scene is right on. they can't hit you anymore, and the drill sergeants are iraq vets instead of vietnam, but they sure do throw you in with a bunch of weirdos.

[ctdemolay0405]

i like Band of Brothers best, though technicly not a movie....