Bubba vs Swiss Rifle

[redleg17]

What the heck was this moron thinking?
God just killed another kitten!
Looks like a drunken monkey gotta hold of that stock!
He should be beaten with his own abused butt stock!
I bet that rifle's killed hundreds of soldiers in several wars!
He butchered a piece of history!
I feel so sad for that rifle!
If you want a deer gun buy a Remchester or at least a Winmington!
Burn him at the steak!!!!!!!











Oh.......wait......This is the K31 that I bubba'd! I bought it from Cabelas for $139 as a hunting rifle. Yes like most of you, I do collect unaltered milsurp rifles as well but I prefer to collect wartime rifles from countries who actually go to war. I bought this one cause its very powerful, very very accurate and very very very cheap for the quality. It was everything I needed in a hunting rifle.....but boy was it ugly! So with some major help from my buddy I pulled out the sand paper, hack saw, tung oil and oven cleaner. I love the way it came out. I just couldn't find any good places for hose-clamps! (I am amateur Bubba) Now it has a St Marie clamp-on scope mount and a fixed 4x scope. And most importantly now I love it! And was MUCH cheaper than a Remchester, and more accurate too. A real tack driver perfect for hogs!

Please feel free to write your own comments or just choose from the list above!

[turbothis]

i love the idea of a MAN killing a 400 pound animal but cant pack around 6-8 pounds of rifle??? great white hunters....lol:nonono: i mean what do you do with the slaughtered animal? cut all the wood off it?

do what you will. not trying to bag on you just my standing. i have yet to fire mine.

[Optimus Prime]

I honestly never understood stocks like that... I usually want a little more weight out there to keep the muzzle stable... but I don't hunt, only target shoot really.

[wonderwolf]

http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=966

I got a 1911 a while back, a lot like yours. A company did a bunch of these up a while back. Mine shoots about 3' high at 100 yards....opps

[mojo00]

You took a Rolex and put a velcro band on it...:rolleyes:

[okie shooter]

Its your rifle, you are allowed to do with it what you will. I agree some what, its not a battle vet or anything like that. Really you didnt bubba the rifle, with a new stock you always could return it to orginal since you are using a clamp on scope. As wonderwolf says, these were common enough to be commerically done, like the fine swedish mausers were done enmass too among other ex military rifles. Seems if you dont fight a war the rifles stay in far better shape for sure.

[hunter_la5]

not my thing, but hey, it's your rifle. at least you didn't do an ugly hack job on it, yours actually looks pretty nice, imho.

just keep the hose clamps away from it and I'll be satisfied ;)

[SteelCore]

...even if you're not the one to do it.

I must admit that threw up in my mouth a little when I read:

"I pulled out the sand paper, hack saw":eek::eek::eek:

[Grasshopper]

God must be drinking kitten purees Poor things, (the kittens)
Looks pretty cool (I guess.)
You should see my old turk mauser stock, bubbed up with a plum AK handle on it! It lines rite up to the target.
I'll send my recipe if ya want it!!:icon_biggrin:

[nevada]

Nice surfer jammies.

[Buelligan]

OH come on, Its not that bad . I have seen some in Europe set up like that . Its a fine hunting rifle.:rockon:

[Norton]

Many of the swiss rifles were converted by the import agents in the late 40s early 1950s. I have a American Rifleman with an ad saying 'Fine Swiss Hunting rifle' in powerful 7.5 Swiss..Soft Point Ammo available!
Price $19.95. You might think that to be cheap, but compared to wages and inflation circa 1949.. it was not cheap. Compare the prices for new civilian hunting and sport weapons for around $25 more you could have a brand new Winchester M 94. The Model 94 still sold at $79 as of 1960. A brand New Mossberg 22. semiauto was selling for $21.95 in 1949. A surplus G43 sporter sold for $85 in 1949. While a brand new model 70 in 30 06 still sold for $126 in 1959. What did a model 70 cost in 1949 about $100. You see full power rifles were not cheap and there was a tremendous pent up demand for hunting rifles after the depression and WW2. These import outfits just gave the American public what it asked for, guns to kill deer with. They didn't care what it had been in it's former life.

[jfowl31]

I can't believe you took credit for that Thomas!

WE bubbaed the hell out of that sucker........ and I like it. I posted pics of it a while back in the bolt action rifles section.... right after my beauty with the sights removed, Boyds stock, and reblued metal. Neither one got good reactions.

That rifle is indeed a tack driver, and it shoots even better now with the tighter receiver fitting and free-floated barrel.

Think of it as you will, but keep in mind we are talking about a rifle that never saw a war, never killed anyone (unless this particular soldier used it for a robbery or something), and has no real historical value except training in the Swiss army. They are an incredible buy, with great potential to be great deer or elk rifles...... it just needed some styling to take away the "military" look for ole redlegs to like it. He saw mine with the naked barrel, and I showed him some pictures of a bunch of K31's done up that way and the old ads of the 1911s sporterized like that. I think it has a sexy look to it with the chopped stock with the back half maintaining the original lines and look.

Also keep in mind that the stock was a damn tomato stake before we stripped and steamed and sanded out the hundreds of dings and gouges. We rubbed probably 15 coats of tung oil to put the moisture back in the wood that we had stripped with the oven cleaner, and then polyed it to seal in the color once it got to that nice blonde. Its a tad on the shiny side, but a good hard finish that will stand up to wear and tear in the brush for a long time to come.

[wonderwolf]

Somebody else had this posted but I don't seem to remember who. Imma post it anyways. Its the K11 but shows the style very nicely of what we are dealing with here

[ELEFANTMKVI (The Inbred clown)]

Where are the HOSE CLAMPS?:icon_biggrin:

[redleg17]

I can't believe you took credit for that Thomas!

WE bubbaed the hell out of that sucker........ and I like it. I posted pics of it a while back in the bolt action rifles section.... right after my beauty with the sights removed, Boyds stock, and reblued metal. Neither one got good reactions.

That rifle is indeed a tack driver, and it shoots even better now with the tighter receiver fitting and free-floated barrel.



Jfowl! Ive been waiting for you to come around this thread. I did not mean to discredit your work one bit, I only meant to spare your name from the criticism of the milsurp snobs! I do truly appreciate the fine wood work you did on this project! As a matter of fact I stole the pics from your previous thread, but they do it no justice. The finish looks much better in person.

Thanks for backin me up brother bubba! Proud bubbas like us are hard to come by in this neck of the woods

[hunter_la5]

to me it's doesn't really constitute a "bubba" job unless involves JB-Weld, hose-clamps, duct tape, rusty hacksaws, and the like. your rifle really does look nice. while it may not fit everyone's taste, it suits you and that's all that really matters

[redleg17]

to me it's doesn't really constitute a "bubba" job unless involves JB-Weld, hose-clamps, duct tape, rusty hacksaws, and the like. your rifle really does look nice. while it may not fit everyone's taste, it suits you and that's all that really matters

Thank you Hunter. One reason I put it on here is because it fascinates/surprises me how many people are repulsed or even offended by this type of project. Now clearly there are bubbas who cross the line and hook up washing machine(?) parts to Nazi Mausers, but even then, hey its their rifle so have at it! Because who's really to say where the line is thats not to be crossed? Only the rifles owner can make that call.

Personally I don't think I went too far with my modification of this rifle -only the stock was altered. But had there been other things I wanted to do to it I don't think this rifles "history" would have kept me from them. Fortunately the K31 has every thing I really needed in a hunting rifle.

[Perro]

holy hell!!

im a "milsurp snob" i spose, but this sort of thing repulses me


Think of it as you will, but keep in mind we are talking about a rifle that never saw a war, never killed anyone (unless this particular soldier used it for a robbery or something), and has no real historical value except training in the Swiss army
no history?
I know a guy who bought one and found a soldiers tag under the buttstock. He wrote to that soldiers family, and the guys grand daughter flew out from switzerland to meet the gentleman just to get a glimpse of the firearm that her grandfather (who she loved very very much) carried while serving his country. I still think to this very day that that was THE coolest thing ive ever seen since ive been involved in military style firearms.

sure its your firearm and you are free to hack it up to a worthless chunk of metal if you wish, but dont post it on a public forum, and ask our opinions, and not expect me to call you a BUBBA there bubba:D

[redleg17]

no history?
I know a guy who bought one and found a soldiers tag under the buttstock. He wrote to that soldiers family, and the guys grand daughter flew out from switzerland to meet the gentleman just to get a glimpse of the firearm that her grandfather (who she loved very very much) carried while serving his country. I still think to this very day that that was THE coolest thing ive ever seen since ive been involved in military style firearms.

sure its your firearm and you are free to hack it up to a worthless chunk of metal if you wish, but dont post it on a public forum, and ask our opinions, and not expect me to call you a BUBBA there bubba:D

Most commercial American guns have a richer history than a K31!

Oh and I completely expected to be called bubba! I take no offense from it, in fact you see my previous posts, I refer to myself as "Bubba"

[Perro]

Most commercial American guns have a richer history than a K31!
i say HORSESH!T to that :D i can tie the k31 to history at least somewhat.

the k31 was replaced by the swiss PE 57 assault rifle in switzerland

Germany adopted the Belgian FN FAL as the Gewehr 1 or G1 - didnt work out for them

Germany adopted the swiss PE57 as the Gewehr 2 or G2 - didnt work out for them

Germany adopted the CETME rifle as the Gewehr 3 or G3 - this did work out for them for many many years and it put a small little company named Heckler and Koch on the map and the CETME design still serves with distinction with MANY law enforcement agencies all acrossed the country.


SO - if it wouldnt have been for the k31 being old and outdated, you wouldnt have the PE 57, and if it wouldnt have been for the PE57 being so expensive and difficult to manufacture like a swiss watch, you wouldnt have had the CETME firearm, without the CETME firearm you would never have had cetmerifles.com, and without cetmerifles.com you wouldnt have had militaryfirearm.com

so - tell me again that the k31 has no history behind it :snicker:

[drine]

All the ARs that have been bought and shown off, the myriad of other touchy subjects and Perro pounces on this one. :airtight: You got served!

But, nice workmanship on the Swiss.

On a similar story, I was about to sell my CETME until I put the wood back on it. It is............beautiful. I can't sell it. I can see the AR going, not soon, the 226 maybe. The AK, never cause it's cheap.

[Perro]

All the ARs that have been bought and shown off, the myriad of other touchy subjects and Perro pounces on this one. :airtight: You got served!


i like my K31 swiss, it shoots great, and it is an important firearm in firearms history in MY opinion.

so what if it doesnt have WAR history behind it, it certainly does have military firearm history behind it, it is a straight pull rifle - just how many other straight pull rifles are out there?? i personally have a Swiss K31, a US Canadian Ross, and a Steyr M95 - can you think of any others?

The story about the girl flying in from switzerland to meet the milsurp collector is true. He used to be a member of the Cetmerifles.com website, and i bought one of his K31s. She had lost her grandfather and loved him very much. He wrote to her family from the information on the soldiers tag under the buttplate. She responded to steve and flew to Las Vegas. Steve had several K31s lined up on the wall, and asked her if she knew which gun was her grand fathers and she went right to it and picked it up.
Steve let her take photos with it, and i believe she may have been able to shoot it, but im not sure? i cant remember that far back. I do remember seeing him post the photos of him, and her at red rock in Las Vegas.
THAT was the coolest story i had ever heard reguarding ANY military firearm since ive been involved with military firearms.

To say the K31 has no history behind it is just wrong in my opinion. It is a very unique firearm, and it DID serve a purpose - ever hear the stories about why Hitler never invaded Switzerland? It had ALOT to do with the fact that citizen soldiers had K31s sitting inside there house.

[Longhorn789]

a US Canadian Ross,

Cool ! ! !

I've only read about these. Never seen one in person..

[jfowl31]

I never said it had no history... I said no HISTORICAL VALUE. The crap I just laid in the toilet has HISTORY, but it has no VALUE.

The fact that the rifle sat in a closet, unless the soldier was in boot camp to me does not constitute historical value... TO ME. Granted, that Swiss dude's granddaughter thought it was valuable, but I'm not related to them, nor the owner of my rifle. Tons of guys have sent letters to the address on the tag, and many have gotten responses, but that isn't something that makes a rifle more valuable to me... just my opinion, you got yours, I got mine, and I also have a really neat tack-driving deer rifle that is straight pull, and has a nice clean American look to it that appeals to me. I fully expect it to make some cringe, and some admire, but none of that matters... its really just about what I think of it, and how it serves MY purposes. Think of it this way... since I bubbaed mine and Redlegs bubbaed his, yours is now worth a ten-thousandths of a penny more.

[jfowl31]

also, about the ross, I've heard horror stories about the locking lugs shearing off... something about some guy dieing with a bolt lodged in his brain. No clue if its true or not, just an interesting tidbit.

[Longhorn789]

Interesting "bathroom" analogy Jfowl...... :crazyeyes2:

[97th Signalman]

Its your rifle, you are allowed to do with it what you will. I agree some what, its not a battle vet or anything like that. Really you didnt bubba the rifle, with a new stock you always could return it to orginal since you are using a clamp on scope. As wonderwolf says, these were common enough to be commerically done, like the fine swedish mausers were done enmass too among other ex military rifles. Seems if you dont fight a war the rifles stay in far better shape for sure.

Like Okie says.

[97th Signalman]

Somebody else had this posted but I don't seem to remember who. Imma post it anyways. Its the K11 but shows the style very nicely of what we are dealing with here

Wonderwolf,
Whose catalog was that from? I remember pouring over similar catalogs for hours in the fifties and sixites. I remember a catalog called the Martin B. Retting Co. from that time. They had pages that looked like that.

[Perro]

also, about the ross, I've heard horror stories about the locking lugs shearing off... something about some guy dieing with a bolt lodged in his brain. No clue if its true or not, just an interesting tidbit.
yes, the earlier Ross 1905 rifles were known to put your eye out if the operator assembled the bolt incorrectly, but they made improvements to the design fixing that on later models. i have the updated 1910 version (which most people who own a Ross have)


OK - your crap you just flushed down the toilet has history yes, but the k31 also has historical significance as well. During WW2, Hitler had plans on taking switzerland, there are many documented sources that he had plans on annexing all german speaking countries including switzerland. During WW2, Switzerland massed its troops on the switzerland border, and those troops carried the K31. So, Switzerland never officially went to war with Germany, they certainly prevented Germany from going to war against them, and it was done by soldiers carrying the k31.

you are using the fact that switzerland never went to war with Germany as justification for ruining a k31. it is your firearm and like i said, you are able to hack it down to a useless piece of metal if you want to, but dont post it on a public forum and ask my opinions of it and not expect me to call you a BUBBA there bubba. It certainly is your gun, and if it suits you, then you may paint it pink with hello kitty on it and nobody here will stop you, but dont get butt hurt that i call you a bubba when you openly say yourself that "WE bubbaed the hell out of that sucker"

[amd65]

Use your rifle as you see fit, and don't give a rat's a@@ about anyone else's opinion. I for one, love shooting my K31 in it's original state, and would not alter it. If, however, I were to find a "crack stock" special K31 of no other particular value, I would love to make an 18" carbine out of it.
There were many other reasons Germany never tried to take Switzerland, in particular because Switzerland was useful to Germany outside of the third reich sphere.

[Perro]

Use your rifle as you see fit, and don't give a rat's a@@ about anyone else's opinion.


on the flip side of that coin, dont post pictures of your cut down military firearm and say "Please feel free to write your own comments" and not expect Perro to HAMMER you on the fact that you are a bubba that just destroyed a military firearm.


Per the bosses own instructions on bubba guns
if you post it on the internet, its fair game for criticism

[drine]

Oh, I forgot to mention, I have a Swiss K-11. My Dad gave it to me a few years ago. I haven't touched a thing. The stock is rough as a cobb but the metal, you know if you've seen one, is better than most new rifles. I shoot it and clean it only. I'm not touching the stock at all. I would like to get some accessories but the K-11 stuff is WAY higher than the K-31 so I may just leave it bare.:icon_biggrin:

[jfowl31]

I must have missed when anyone asked you NOT to comment Perro. In the same way you are allowed to call me and Redlegs Bubba, we are allowed to argue our side too.

I never got my panties in a wad or my feelings hurt by your comments, I just commented back. I fully expect (as I said earlier) that many will hate what I did to min and Thomas' rifle.


I'm jsut glad you're posting again (even if it is at mine and my buddy's expense :) ).

[jfowl31]

Oh, I forgot to mention, I have a Swiss K-11. My Dad gave it to me a few years ago. I haven't touched a thing. The stock is rough as a cobb but the metal, you know if you've seen one, is better than most new rifles. I shoot it and clean it only. I'm not touching the stock at all. I would like to get some accessories but the K-11 stuff is WAY higher than the K-31 so I may just leave it bare.:icon_biggrin:

Check out the forums at swissrifles.com There's a guy there going by the SN Guisan (he's on gunboards too) that can probably get you just about any accessory you would need.

He can even get taller sight blades for those of you (Wonderwolf) who have 1911's and all the others shooting a tad high. Its a great forum, I just wish it talked about more than just swiss rifles.

[Perro]

from my limited research on these, the k31 suffered from being rubbed against a soldiers boots which had nails in the soles. It appears from my research alot of the wood was roughed up around the butt from the hob nails.

i have a ww2 dated k31 with a walnut stock with very minimal hob nailing marks on it

for those who want to do this to there k31, let me give you another option. there are other ways to accomplish making your k31 into a "deer gun". Last time i checked boyds stocks made replacement wood for the k31. You could save your original wood and just buy the boyds stock and contour that all you wish without destroying anything. You could have the best of both worlds, a military correct stock, and a hunting profile stock and not destroy a milsurp gun.

some day these cheap mil surp rifles will be long gone and worth a grip load of cash, and some day those who bubbad there stuff will hate themselves for it. They used to sell 1941 johnsons for CHEAP, and lots were sporterized at the time. The ones that werent sporterized now sell for upwards of $4- $5000.00 and the sporterized ones sell for a fraction of that. The johnson is a rare firearm and part of the reason why it commands such a huge price, but they also used to sell 1903 springfields for less than $15.00 as well, and look what they sell for now (and there were a GRIP load of them sold).

they arent making anymore k31s and all that are left, are all that we have left. Id much rather not see my firearms increase in rarity due to bubba destroying another gun but im a purist, and see the beauty of a stock as issued gun.

using the excuse that the old import outfits used to sporterize these doesnt take away from the fact that you removed the "as issued" state of your gun, and moved it over into the category of guns that just sit dormant on gunbroker without selling because nobody wants a sporterized military firearm. whats the purpose in buying a military firearm if you remove its ties to the military, and make it look like fudds deer rifle? There are FAR better hunting rifles available for just a bit more money - why not start there for your "deer rifle" and leave the milsurp collecting to those of us who like military firearms as issued?

[Perro]

(even if it is at mine and my buddy's expense :) ).

this isnt directed towards you or your buddy jfowl. I have no issue with either of you.

I have become a purist in the way i view military firearms, so the issues i have with this are not with you or your buddy personally but with the act of destroying a military surplus firearm.

you can bet one thing, im going to try my hardest to persuade other people NOT to do this kind of thing, and this is the only reason why i post to these kinds of threads.

[okie shooter]

To post a comment to state there are far worst fates for military rifles, no matter where they were made and what their history and provonance. Remember the Germans when they reunified, they took all of their SKS rifles and destroyed them, along with the remaining g-1 kits as I understand. In many parts of the world they have to burn the military rifles out there to keep them from the hands of those who would either kill thy neighbor or try to over throw the goverment. Thus is the fate of a bubba worse then total distruction of a machine which took many hour of labor and engineering? I don't know but we have seen since the US civil war to now, with huge historical surplus dealers, like Bannerman, to IMA today, able to buy huge amounts of surplus military and bring them to our shores. Thus many "bubbas"(or converted military sportsters) will happen, Just ask your self if atleast reuse as a functional firearm better than reuse as springs on diaper pins, or sheet metal parts imported from china after the cut up scrap is reused.

[Perro]

bubbafying is not as bad as total destruction of arms from a govt - there is no doubt about that, but it doesnt excuse people in my opinion from destroying an as issued military firearm to make it into a "deer rifle"

There are FAR better hunting rifles available for the same price that was spent on the k31 with scope mount, and everythng else done to it, and you dont have to ruin a military surplus gun in the process.


It is no different in the collector car world. There is nothing worse than seeing a 1968 dodge charger with all the aftermarket chrome crap, msd ignition box, fuel injection, edelbrock valve covers, and yellow spark plug wires all over the engine bay. The original stuff long gone and all this crappy chrome stuff all over the place in an attempt to "dress it up a little bit"


there will always be 2 schools of thought on ANYTHING collectable
1. will be from the purist
2. will be from the bubba who feels he is improving on the item to suit his needs better

the purists and bubbas will NEVER agree on this, but one thing ALWAYS holds true - the non modified item will always sell faster, easier, and for WAY more money - every single time no matter what we are talking about collectable wise

[nowhereman]

I have seen tons of Enfields "sporterized" like this. It's your rifle and you can do what you want too it. I call the Enfields done like this Bubba's so I guess the K-31 is Bubba'd too. But, the Enfields were done in the 50's,60's and 70's for hunting rifles. IMO the "fat" action just doesn't match the slim forearm... I just like to leave them the way they are. When I first started collecting a patient of mine commented on how he wouldn't have a k-31 cause it was never used in battle. Well I had shot mine and knew full well it was the finest shooting rifle in my collection. It even had the tag in the stock which I found to be extremely interesting. I just love the full length stock, maybe because my father and I build black powder rifles from kits, my favourite is the Kentucky long rifle.

[redleg17]

There are FAR better hunting rifles available for the same price that was spent on the k31 with scope mount, and everythng else done to it, and you dont have to ruin a military surplus gun in the process.



Please suggest a specific hunting rifle that you feel is "FAR better", or even just on par with the K31, that has a total scoped price tag of less than $250.

My brother's $700 Remington 700 is probably almost as accurate but that price of course does not include a scope. I even like the newer "cheap" Savage rifles with their accutriggers but again they were WAY out of my price range.


Earlier you suggested the Boyd's stock as an alternative to the bubba process. This was my original plan but I changed my mind when I saw how raw the stocks were sold as. Jfowl had significant problems fitting his and he is skilled at woodwork unlike me. I've never glass-bedded a rifle either and decided against this aftermarket stock. Its a shame no cheap synthetic stocks are sold for this rifle as I would have gone that route.

[redleg17]

It is no different in the collector car world. There is nothing worse than seeing a 1968 dodge charger with all the aftermarket chrome crap, msd ignition box, fuel injection, edelbrock valve covers, and yellow spark plug wires all over the engine bay. The original stuff long gone and all this crappy chrome stuff all over the place in an attempt to "dress it up a little bit"


there will always be 2 schools of thought on ANYTHING collectable
1. will be from the purist
2. will be from the bubba who feels he is improving on the item to suit his needs better

the purists and bubbas will NEVER agree on this, but one thing ALWAYS holds true - the non modified item will always sell faster, easier, and for WAY more money - every single time no matter what we are talking about collectable wise

I agree 100% Although the purist can sell his product faster for more money, this is never the goal of bubba! And bubba always gets more functional use, and more importantly, more fun out of his bubba'd rifle/ supped up car. BTW Im much more experienced in bubba-ing cars and trucks than rifles!

Remember since I didn't buy my rifle bubba'd up, I had an original K31 for a good amount of time. I know what its like to have the "as issued" rifle, I know what its like to shoot it as well. The ammo was way too expensive for plinking or even much target shooting so it sat around my house. After I "ruined" it, it became my favorite rifle. Now once again it sits around my house, but this time as a champion, a veteran hog killer -I love my K31!

[jfowl31]

+1 Redlegs... I would LOVE to see the option for a Commercial rifle, scope, rings, mount setup for $250. Mine actually ran me closer to $350 after spending $65 on the Boyds stock (not recommended for anyone not familiar with wood work) and the stain and sealer, scope and mount, and it shoots sub-MOA with Wolf Gold. I shot 4 or 5 1" 100 yard groups with the rifle pictured with the Irons from a benchrest. I was doing all I could to get 1" groups from a Remington VLS (bull-barreled laminated stock) 700 in 308 with a Leupold VX-III 6-20 power on it, and the rifle alone ran me $700.

I will NOT ever say you don't have the right to hate my work, but saying I can get a commercial deer rifle with a mount, scope and rings for cheaper than this K31, you are sadly mistaken.

Again, I'm in no way offended by your comments Perro, I just don't agree with em, and I'm fine with that.

[redleg17]

Again, I'm in no way offended by your comments Perro, I just don't agree with em, and I'm fine with that.

I agree with Jowl, Perro. In fact I appreciate yours and everyone else's comments on my rifle weather pos or neg, I find them interesting.

[Perro]

Please suggest a specific hunting rifle that you feel is "FAR better", or even just on par with the K31, that has a total scoped price tag of less than $250.
certainly you dont believe that its impossible to find a good hunting rifle with scope used for around $250.00?

everyone try this little experiment with me
type in www.gunbroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com)

in the upper right hand corner (in the green navigation bar) they have a search bar and an orange search button, and just below that a link that says "smart search"

click on the smart search link
now in the search box enter simply 30 06

then under current bid type in $1.00 to $250.00 and then perform the search
a simple scroll down features this auction with words that really caught my eyes - near mint

scoped, in a GREAT calibre for deer, and a proper hunting firearm that doesnt require you to destroy a military surplus firearm
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91425401

:533:
:bubba:

[jfowl31]

no way in hell that rifle will sell for $250 first of all with 13 days left, and second, theres no way it will shoot as good as my K31, and 3rd, it doesnt have the cool factor of a straight pull action.

[Perro]

no way in hell that rifle will sell for $250 first of all with 13 days left, and second, theres no way it will shoot as good as my K31, and 3rd, it doesnt have the cool factor of a straight pull action.

you gotta be kidding me right? wont shoot as well as your k31??

you know what.... never mind

[jfowl31]

I mean honestly, do you think that rifle will shoot sub-MOA out to 600 yards like my K31? Seriously, I was shooting caly pigeons at 600 yards with my rifle. I have my doubts that that scope will even see that far on the Savage.

[mojo00]

I was shooting caly pigeons at 600 yards with my rifle.

You must got a 100X refractor telescope duct taped to that wacky rifle :rolleyes:

[pigpen]

Why can't we all agree to disagree on the whole bubba thing.

Personally I don't like seeing a milsurp gun effed with & wouln't do it to any of mine. I also use my milsurps for hunting but I go unaltered with iron sights. Of course where I hunt the longest shot might be 150yrds, might be. I could understand a drill/tap receiver but i never understood why alter the stock. I mean is a couple of pounds that important? Or do you not want to look different than the other hunters? My enfield was drilled/tapped & I used to have a scope on it but I have never been to trusting of scopes.

[nowhereman]

Why can't we all agree to disagree on the whole bubba thing.

Personally I don't like seeing a milsurp gun effed with & wouln't do it to any of mine. I also use my milsurps for hunting but I go unaltered with iron sights. Of course where I hunt the longest shot might be 150yrds, might be. I could understand a drill/tap receiver but i never understood why alter the stock. I mean is a couple of pounds that important? Or do you not want to look different than the other hunters? My enfield was drilled/tapped & I used to have a scope on it but I have never been to trusting of scopes.

Off topic but Pen I shot a nanny head this weekend w/ My WASR. I bought a 5 rnd mag especially for it. I used Wolf JHP, I shot it while it was in a gallop. Got alot of hair on the ground alot of blood, tracked it for about 500yds through the wooods before the trail went dry. Well the 7.62 x 39 won't go hunting again. "It could have been a bad shot" gut colored blood... 7.62 x 54r next time.... First deer I ever lost....

[Rampager]

When I first got into military surplus rifles I too had the theory “screw it, I’ll make it the way I want it to look.” Problem is over the years my own tastes have changed. Now I like the “as issued” look…I wish I hadn’t done what I did to some of them, so I’m speaking from experience.

If I were now to do something like this (modify) I’d want it to be reversible. I’d save the original stock, find another stock and mod it. Find a scope mount that doesn’t require drilling, etc. That way I don’t find myself years from now wishing I hadn’t done that.

Or as a last resort if you insist on trying to get the maximum accuracy out of a “common” surplus rifle you can always float the stock’s barrel channel and still keep the stock full length. Roll up a piece of 60 grit and go at it. If you can slide a dollar bill between the barrel and stock that’s plenty and it’s not that noticeable…not that I condone this on most surplus rifles, but to me it wouldn’t be as damaging appearance wise. Remember too that most wal-marts have some decent deals on ready made hunting rifles.

As a side note…this past deer season, I left my scoped Remington 788 rifle at home. Instead, went deer hunting with an FR-8 totally in its original form, open sights and all. I may try a bone stock K98 or Enfield next year just for kicks…it adds to the challenge, makes it more interesting to me as of lately (been getting sort of board with hunting past few years). The places I hunt now are thickly wooded and optics aren’t a huge advantage there.

Anyhow I say it’s your gun, do what you want, but my only advice is to keep in mind your tastes and likes in many things may change (as in my case) over the years.

[pigpen]

As a side note…this past deer season, I left my scoped Remington 788 rifle at home. Instead, went deer hunting with an FR-8 totally in its original form, open sights and all. I may try a bone stock K98 or Enfield next year just for kicks…it adds to the challenge, makes it more interesting to me as of lately (been getting sort of board with hunting past few years). The places I hunt now are thickly wooded and optics aren’t a huge advantage there.

Exactly. I used my enfield year before last & next year I'm gonna try my Yugo M48. Benn so busy these last few months I didn't even buy a hunting license.:wallbash::mad::crying::1087::icon_sad:

[turbothis]

i was thinking about bubba'ing my bren and bag a deer some time but i cant find enough wood to cut of. :bag:
in all serious ness, i would pack my bren all over the mountains to shoot something worth it. but i might be a little bit tougher than most.:flexion:

[redleg17]

If I were now to do something like this (modify) I’d want it to be reversible. I’d save the original stock, find another stock and mod it. Find a scope mount that doesn’t require drilling, etc. That way I don’t find myself years from now wishing I hadn’t done that.


Anyhow I say it’s your gun, do what you want, but my only advice is to keep in mind your tastes and likes in many things may change (as in my case) over the years.

Thanks for the advice, I'd say it sounds pretty solid. If I could go back, maybe I'd wait till I had a spare stock to cut on so I could save the one that it came with. At the time I didn't have the cash or the patients! Had I done that, I don't think I'd ever use the original stock but just keep it around incase one day I come to regret my conversion as you suggest. But with any luck, and more good hunting trips, that day will never come!

[redleg17]

in all serious ness, i would pack my bren all over the mountains to shoot something worth it. but i might be a little bit tougher than most.:flexion:

Do it! How much do those bad boys weigh? More than the 240 B I have to lug around?

[turbothis]

they really dont seem to heavy. 24 pounds with an empty magazine. my dam mg-53 is 26 empty but seems heaver due to the length of it.
but who am i kidding? i could never hurt a poor little deer. i do not hunt. i am a bargain hunter at the local market. and pork is my perfered meat product.:thumbup:

[hunter_la5]

Off topic but Pen I shot a nanny head this weekend w/ My WASR. I bought a 5 rnd mag especially for it. I used Wolf JHP, I shot it while it was in a gallop. Got alot of hair on the ground alot of blood, tracked it for about 500yds through the wooods before the trail went dry. Well the 7.62 x 39 won't go hunting again. "It could have been a bad shot" gut colored blood... 7.62 x 54r next time.... First deer I ever lost....

well first of all I wouldn't hunt with Wolf ammo, that may be part of the problem, its generally inaccurate and underpowered, not to mention inconsistent. and of course the accuracy out of a WASR is another thing. if you're gonna hunt with 7.62x39, you gotta be confident that you're going to make a good heart or lung shot

my brother killed two deer a month ago with his CZ-527 bolt carbine in 7.62x39. one of them dropped without taking a step, the other only made it about 20 yards before it bled out and collapsed. I think on one he used Remington PSP and I forget what ammo he used on the other one.

[nowhereman]

well first of all I wouldn't hunt with Wolf ammo, that may be part of the problem, its generally inaccurate and underpowered, not to mention inconsistent. and of course the accuracy out of a WASR is another thing. if you're gonna hunt with 7.62x39, you gotta be confident that you're going to make a good heart or lung shot

my brother killed two deer a month ago with his CZ-527 bolt carbine in 7.62x39. one of them dropped without taking a step, the other only made it about 20 yards before it bled out and collapsed. I think on one he used Remington PSP and I forget what ammo he used on the other one.
The deer was about 40 yds away. Wolf should have enough power to do the job. The shot was bad per blood.... I had to crank around and basically shoot across and behind me while the deer was sort of trotting. If this was my .270 Done deal... "they either sieze up and fall over, fall over get up and fall back down etc... The 7.62 x 39 just lacks the hydrostatic shock of the harder hitting calibres. I'm sure it has killed many deer but its not worth calling the as*hole neighbore and ask if you can track your deer on his land again.

[k98k792]

The SKS is one of the most popular deer rifles now in Missouri. We have some BIG deer here. A good friend of mine gets ,with special permits,two to three deer a year,in north Missouri. He tried Wolf HP and had the same problems as you. The Wolf HP ammo is a known poor performer. It tends to make shallow wounds with poor penetration. Honestly,you would have better results with other ammo.

[brewskzilla]

Winchester makes 7.62x39 hunting ammo. About 10 bucks a box here in Georgia. Good stuff. Hollow points and Soft point.