better mp5 build

[turbothis]

my first one was not so pleasing so i am making this one around the drum mag of a suomi. this one is going to be more function over fashion of the original.

[hunter_la5]

here we go again :)

sounds cool. I can't wait to see how it turns out

[turbothis]

i just have to clean up some parts laying around, so it is easier to put them together than away.:thumbup:

now that i have a lathe i can build things much better , faster.

[Optimus Prime]

It's like you threw an MP5 and a Tommy Gun in a blender...

Looking pretty cool so far.

[WildBillCody]

Just don't get those cans mixed up when you use them, I don't know how good Right Guard works as gun oil, and the other stuff would burn the heck out of your underarms. :icon_biggrin:

I was thinking of something similar, have you seen the AK's converted to take the Suomi Mags?

[SteelCore]

I never can guess what you turn out next!

Question: What kind of welder do you use? MIG? TIG?

[texlurch]

You going for a pistol or registering as SBR?

[turbothis]

i only have a mig and arc. i am thinkng pistol but i can lathe a descent extension now. i am tooooooooo poor for sbr, and i have way to much to lose!

[pigpen]

Damn! Another creation that will make me wish I had skills like you.

Oh, I feel your pain about being po!

[Smokehouse69]

i only have a mig and arc. i am thinkng pistol but i can lathe a descent extension now. i am tooooooooo poor for sbr, and i have way to much to lose!

Imagine what he could do if he had a Tig setup! :eek:

Turbo... you aren't married are you? If you are what's your secret? :thumbup:

[turbothis]

[QUOTE=

Turbo... you aren't married are you? If you are what's your secret? :thumbup:[/QUOTE]

i am working on 5 years of marriage!!!!!!! she is cool as ice and is hot as...... well, shes got a nice little body too.:love1: my secret is a good match. not perfect but good and strong!

[texlurch]

i only have a mig and arc. i am thinkng pistol but i can lathe a descent extension now. i am tooooooooo poor for sbr, and i have way to much to lose!

Hexk, it's only $200 for the tax stamp... :icon_biggrin:

[turbothis]

i willl start taking donations now.......:thx:

[turbothis]

this thing is working flawlessly!!!! feeds perfect.:thumbup: got the bolt about half way and the mag guide started too. slides like butter.

[hunter_la5]

interesting! so are you doing this one straight-blowback then?

and what kind of trigger mechanism?

[Optimus Prime]

You know, if you ever need somebody to do any "extended field tests" of any of your stuff I'll gladly volunteer...

That thing's gonna be more fun than is probably healthy.

[turbothis]

interesting! so are you doing this one straight-blowback then?

and what kind of trigger mechanism?

yes, blow back is easy money and i am going to use a ak trigger and disconnector and a custom made hammer to suit my needs. and what pistol does not need a knife on the front???

i would like to get ahold of some suomi stick mags. i can trade a pps43 flat for some.???

[turbothis]

spent the day on this thing. i made the cocking handle reciprocating and relized if you really man grab the front grip you could have the handle run over your palm a little!:eek: might have to change that after she runs. got the ejection port cut out. mag latch done and the fcg done other than i need a trigger spring. the hammer spring wont reach my custom chit so i have to have seperate units.

i really like stocks so i made a extension for the barrel to 16.5". i got a piece of gas pipe and bored it out to lighty press onto the tip. the bayo still sticks out about 4-5" so i am happy with it. i am thinking about making the top cover and the butstock a unit and detatch together. i need to make a pattern in the barrel extension so it does not stick out so bad, any thoughts?

[predator86]

very nice......iam so jelous.....

[M1 Tanker]

Turbo, you never fail to amaze me, I think its pretty damn cool :)

[pgp888se]

turbo,did you consider going with no butt stock and leaving the barrel extension off?as long as there is no shoulder stock it would be considered a pistol and not required to have the longer barrel,correct?

just a thought.

[turbothis]

ya, i like the look of the pistol but just leaves me aicing for a stock and such needs the dam extension!

[hunter_la5]

this just keeps getting better and better.

how much does the bolt weigh?

[turbothis]

about 3 pounds. i have learned that the hammer fcg acts like a mild delay to the action. helps keep the needed wieght down.

[hunter_la5]

i have learned that the hammer fcg acts like a mild delay to the action. helps keep the needed wieght down.

makes sense. a stiffer recoil spring could also do the trick

[turbothis]

ya thats what i think.

[turbothis]

got the extension slotted and drilled for pleasure. i built an extractor from scratch! 1st try too! iall i need is the ejector and it will fire. i have to make the stock mount and the top cover still which will be the same piece. pics tomorow....

[predator86]

turbo about how long does it take to build one of these?? can you just pound one out in a couple days?? if so you da man:worthy::worthy::worthy::rockon:

[turbothis]

the buildoing part i could do in about 15 hours or less, but the added first time/engineering takes a ton of time. i am thinking about making some flats and trying that. i might make a kit of sorts but that would be way down the line.

[turbothis]

i cant get a very close up of the extractor cause my camera suks but here is what i got. i made the firing pin out of a bit. lol. my lathe would barely scratch it so i fires up my grinder right next to it and shaved it down to a nice ground perfect size! i had to elongate the end groove so the retaining pin had room the let the pin slided back and forth.

[turbothis]

flash hider

[jfowl31]

I hate you TT..................

























:D

[SteelCore]

This is coming along nicely!

[hunter_la5]

:rockon: SWEET!

I need to learn how to use a mill... and how to weld...

[Bulletboy]

I can't help but chime in and just say, "that is cool!!" I really can't wait to see when its done. :thumbup:

[turbothis]

thanks all. i would like to get one of these grips but full length not the supper shorty. any one have one or know where to get one?

[WildBillCody]

http://www.elmfg.com/store/kgrip.html

[turbothis]

i might have to get the grip and make my own adapter. i serously doubt my gun is the same specs as the real thing. lol

[turbothis]

i hope to get her finished tomorow.:bash:

[turbothis]

anyone have a spare butt plate/pad thing? i need one, mine is all swelled from gas or something.

[Otis61]

Think I got one you can have turbo.

[turbothis]

great!

i got the cover done, opinions? you slide it straight forward about 3/8" and then lift and back. very much like an ak.

[turbothis]

so it is about 9 pounds dry and about 12 loaded down with 72 rounds! all i need is an ejector now.:rockon:

[kevin]

is the top cover welded on? you could weld on two short sections of weaver rail and put a red dot scope on it

i like it!

ive got some stick mags somewhere, ill look for some

[turbothis]

here is the steps. 1 push forward 2 lift a little 3 pull backwards till cover is off. genous, it has a 1/4" dowel that is the guide rod and pokes thru the back plate to lock it all in. the only thing thats holds it together is the recoil spring. it has a small front clip to keep the front down. i was thinking about milling a rail to double duty this part.

[jfowl31]

are you sure you're not Chechnyan?

remember that thread about the improvised Chechnyan arms??? Genius idea TT, I can't wait to hear if it cycles.

Hows that 50 comin by the way?

[turbothis]

i am getting my experience points up some before milling the important parts.
i guess my old family tree is from some crazy little country!

[kevin]

what bolt parts did you use and what barrel did you use?

[turbothis]

so far i have the import parts as
1 suomi barrel
2 hk handgaurd
3&4 cetme grip and stock
5&6 ak trigger and disconnector
7 suomi drum or 7 8 9 stick mag

i make a lot of parts for this one.... a little mall ninja...

[hunter_la5]

dude, that is AWESOME! way to go, most impressive! :thumbup:

[turbothis]

well good news. i rattled about 170 rounds thru it today and it went good. the hammer spring is a weak piece of chit so there was several light strikes. easy fix there. the extractor and ejector worked flawlessly! the recoil spring (cetme full length) was started with 2 helper pieces about 1" long to make sure it was good to go. i took them out one at a time to see the difference and it hit the cocking handle with out them so i put them both back in. none of my parts are heat treated yet and the only one showing damage is the feed lip on the bolt! i thought this was funny but i can weld it back up and then off to the torch to get some rockwell out of them. i am very pleased with it so far. the red dot got spot on and the report is like a very acute little crackle. no need for ear plugs at all. barely more recoil than a little .22lr.

[kevin]

what kind of bolt is that?

[jfowl31]

I think you'd call that bolt a TT-5 bolt.

by that I mean I'm pretty sure he made it himself.

[turbothis]

i might stamp "made in usa" on it and all other parts i made.

[Optimus Prime]

Not a bad idea... CYA.

[pigpen]

i might stamp "made in usa" on it and all other parts i made.

What parts did you not make??

[kevin]

you know turbo, i bet you could make a fake mp40 with a metal tube and home made bolt, mg42 grip parts and have it be a blowback

[turbothis]

i can make anything.........

[turbothis]

What parts did you not make??

so far i have the import parts as
1 suomi barrel
2 hk handgaurd
3&4 cetme grip and stock
5&6 ak trigger and disconnector
7 suomi drum or 7 8 9 stick mag

[hunter_la5]

glad to hear it runs well. you da' man! :worthy:

[turbothis]

i was very excited to pull the trigger real fast out of the gate and have it run. paint tomorow.

[ctdemolay0405]

cant wait to see it "finished finished"

[hunter_la5]

how wide is your firing pin? for some reason it looks really thick to me, maybe that has something to do with the "light strikes"?

or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about... :1087:

[predator86]

so here is a fairly important question.....how does it group?? and well done you chechnya wannabe.....:rockon::2pistol::thumbup:

[tony]

All I can say is, WOW! :thumbup:

Amazing what you can do with the right tools and a vision of what you are after.

And it worked the first time out, you have skills.:rockon:

[SteelCore]

I believe that now.:kookaid:

[turbothis]

it is about a 1/8" thick pin. as for the grouping i dont really have an answer. once the dot was on it shot a antifreeze jug on its side everytime at maybe 50 yards. seems real good to me. i will get some farther shots soon now that it fires.

i am thinking about trying to make a die to stamp out the 2 sides and then weld them together. i mean i have to build something with a ffl 7.

[texlurch]

Excellent job; now you got me thinking about doing the drum/stick conversion to a CETME.

Wonder if the neck on a 7.62 x 25 cartridge is the same as 7.62 x 51.. just need to shorten the chamber on a barrel and go from there.

[turbothis]

not a bad idea....

[turbothis]

tease...

[hunter_la5]

wow, looks 10x better! can't wait to see the end result

[BIG 54R]

that's impressive! great vision and creativity, you are a man to be emulated.:kookaid::2pistol:

[turbothis]

i will get a sunlight photo tomorow. porn for now... whack away gentlemen.

[Optimus Prime]

Not bad... not bad at all.

[turbothis]

what would the value of a weapon like this be???

[jfowl31]

I don't think you can sell a weapon that you manufactured yourself TT.... kinda like bending your own flat for a Cetme. Its now just your rifle.

well, I shouldn't say "can't", I'm sure you can, but there are all kinds o hoops to jump through, like getting serial numbers and then having the design approved by BATF, and I'm sure there's more to it than that.

[turbothis]

maybe better lighting....

[turbothis]

I don't think you can sell a weapon that you manufactured yourself TT.... kinda like bending your own flat for a Cetme. Its now just your rifle.

well, I shouldn't say "can't", I'm sure you can, but there are all kinds o hoops to jump through, like getting serial numbers and then having the design approved by BATF, and I'm sure there's more to it than that.

true that and i would say this is a prototype for a good run. waiting on the paper work now!:thumbup:
there is no way any full auto part could be attached or scabbed onto this at all! i have worked my mojo on that fact!

[hunter_la5]

what would the value of a weapon like this be???

something you made (mostly) yourself? priceless....

looks great :thumbup:

[predator86]

i dont know what it would be worth but i would pay for a parts kit and instructions on how to make my own reciever......

[ctdemolay0405]

your skills still astound me

[Bulletboy]

your skills still astound me

Same here, I am jealous of that build! Also because I live in a non-SBR state. That is freakin sweet though. If you come out with some sort of kit or build plan, I'm in. I'll pin a fake suppressor to it for the length if I have to. :thumbup:

Now that I look at it more, it looks like that barrel might be 16" with that muzzle device?

[turbothis]

i think the snow blinded my chitty camera! if i could only build one of those...:rolleyes:
my dot is kinda whack, lol but it is true.

[ctdemolay0405]

do you have more than the drum mag?

[Optimus Prime]

are the cross hairs crooked in your sight, or is that just a weird effect of the camera?

[Otis61]

I think the black G3 stock looks better than the CETME wood. Unless the handgaurd was wood too.

[turbothis]

i had a stick mag but i chopped it to make it work in my tech 9 pos. i would like to get some more suomi stick mags but i am poor these days!!!

my red dot for some reason rolled in the housing? still works and shoots straight so i just roll with it.

i am going to see about making kits using sub gun barrels. this one was a suomi barrel and i would like to make a tokarev one too.

[texlurch]

I was thinking of building a semi CZ26, but after the ATF gathered all the kits up last year it kind of makes me leary.

[SteelCore]

Its lookin good.

[hunter_la5]

how sturdy is the top-cover? is there any play to it? do you think it'll hold any semblance of a zero after removing it?

[turbothis]

it is very sturdy. it really does not move at all on the receiver. as for zero i have not tryed to much but if i go some where with a good target i will do some tests on it.

[texlurch]

I'm curious about all this building stuff from various parts. I know if you want to build a semi from a FA gun, you have to submit the gun for testing by the ATF so they can do an approval letter. All that 922r "cannot assemble an otherwise banned from import blah blah blah"....

So, here's where the grey area comes in. Can you use parts of multiple weapons like Turbo did, and come up with something of your own design? I mean, since it never existed before, how can it be banned from import?

Or does the letter of the law mean any and all parts cannot be used?

In this case, I know there are approved semi versions of the MP5, but obviously this one Turbo built has nothing in common with those..


just curious.. legal wise.

[M1 Tanker]

Tex,

As an individual, you don't have to submit anything to ATF for approval. If you are a FFL07, you do. I think he took a proven semi trigger group and made sure a FA pack wouldn't be able to be installed. Looks perfect to me.

If that gun was produced overseas, it would be non-importable because its a non sporting firearm. Pistol grip, high capicity detachable magazine and maybe the flash hider. So yes, 922r applies. It says you cannot assembly from imported parts a non sporting firearm, it doesn't specifiy the type of firearm.

[texlurch]

So as long as the design cannot be made to fire FA, and/or the FA parts do not fit, you are good to go?

That is basically what I thought, but I was thinking out loud "so to speak"

I am also aware that if you build as a pistol, parts count and barrel length do not apply. That is what I have been thinking about a CZ26 for a long time.

Guess it's time to dig out the Soumi kit and get the evil juices flowing... :)

[rifleman]

:worthy:im not worthy, im not worthy:worthy: kits w/ instructions pls.:lol2: just dont know how you do it

[wwIIBuff]

really cool

[predator86]

:worthy:im not worthy, im not worthy:worthy: kits w/ instructions pls.:lol2: just dont know how you do it



agreed!!!!

[SCGrotz]

lmao turbo...your mutant frankenbabies are amazing.

youve managed to mix aks suomis mp5's and cetmes all together in one horrific creation i can only describe as pure eye candy. its so ugly its beautiful

[turbothis]

next up a tokarev caliber. and then hopefully a 45 caliber model!
i can make a front end kit pretty easy if any one wants to provide a barrel of you best flavor. i can add to that and make a bolt complete matched to it if that is wanted. i can make a blind pinned extension for the carbine types. say 75$ for the front end, another 100$ for the complete matching bolt, and another 25$ to finish it off with a 16.25 barrel length.

this would be the first stage and i still have to slot for the cocking handle and weld the tube to the trunion. this could be made lefty or righty or straight up if that is what you like.

[predator86]

what type of barrel would we have to supply? i got an extra AK barrel with a good bore that im not using....

[ctdemolay0405]

i say you should building a serling next

[turbothis]

the barrel would have to be a sub gun barrel 9mm,45auto,7.62x25, any pistol caliber.

[predator86]

i am going to have to keep my eye out for a 9mm sub gun barrel then:airtight:

[turbothis]

i bought 6 uzi barrels from here.
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/barrels/barrel.html

[turbothis]

jeez anyone seen one of these?http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=97990081 look at the price!!!! mine would be half of that. mine is 9 pounds empty and this one is 10+

[Optimus Prime]

"Comes with a 71 Round Sounami drum. Rifle also accepts all Sounami stick magazines."

What's a Sounami...?

[turbothis]

a big ass wave of water. lol:eek:
i think that thing looks more put together than mine by a mile!

[Buelligan]

I havent seen one in a few years . Looks like an M11/9 on a fal lower. I dont know why they dident us fal front grips on it.

[rifleman]

TT i like yous alot better

[turbothis]

thanks. i might have a bunch of better than this ones up for sale in the near future.:rockon:

[rifleman]

that would be awesome

[kevin]

for sale?

[turbothis]

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[rifleman]

how soon .................................................. .................................................. ............................

[do what]

Why did never take a shop class? Looks awsome

[kevin]

how can you legally sell a home build?

[turbothis]

07/sot here i come!

[rifleman]

Que?

[Smokehouse69]

Que?

07 is a type of FFL for manufacturing of weapons.

[turbothis]

ssshhhh! i dont want to make waves.....

[rifleman]

gracias senor

[kevin]

if you did get that license think of the money you could make building bren guns!

[turbothis]

you have no idea... i am only in it half for the money and half for the guns!

[jfowl31]

my only question would be how you can get the designs approved in any sort of timely manner. The fact that they aren't clones of anything really means the ATF will probably want samples to approve and all sorts of stuff like that.

[turbothis]

i willl send them a care package.

[rifleman]

hey send me a care package too hehe

[turbothis]

i have parts showing up soon.

[predator86]

this will be sweet....i can still afford to shoot 9mm......

[ctdemolay0405]

so, if we buy parts kits and what not, and send them and some $$ your way, u'd build them?

[turbothis]

basicly

[turbothis]

check this guy out. very kool little 22lr
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=98081624

this looks bad ass too. i really like the stock on the carbine barrel only! very crafty little bugger...

[Optimus Prime]

I want a GSG-5... eventually.

[kevin]

hurry up and get some designs approved and ill give you some business!

[turbothis]

dude i am looking for money like never before. i have the pappers getting signed and dated now. i really need to get this going my wife is riding my ass!

[xernex]

turbo, I'll be sure to send some money your way if you get something off the ground, my only requirement would be your signature on the product so I could tout my totally custom signature model:rockon:

[turbothis]

it will be m.y. guns but i need a stamp of 2 t's in a neato fashion.

[rifleman]

man those are going to be great

[kevin]

are the ppsh41 and suomi drums interchangeable? just wondering

[turbothis]

no they are about 1/8" thickness difference.

[Old Jimmy]

HEY Turbo,
I want mine to have that new emblem on it you getting made!!!

[turbothis]

i figured i would make stickers of it and a stamp for metal. and maybe some t shirts too.:thumbup:

[papple]

Thats about the coolist little gun Ive ever seen. Did I understand your going to build them to sell? If so count me in for one. If you give them away and we make a donation would that be classed as manufactoring? Just a thought.
P

[turbothis]

anything that leaves my possecion is a sale and taxed and recorded as a transfer. i would love to sell you one of my limited edition military rifle forum spacials though!

[rifleman]

yeah, YEAH, tt stuff

[pelos]

so, if we buy parts kits and what not, and send them and some $$ your way, u'd build them?


Turbo, if you get the license, and i have a cetme parts kit around W/ Barrel could you build it? if you can, just let me know and ill send some $$$$ your way.

[turbothis]

i could

[M1 Tanker]

my only question would be how you can get the designs approved in any sort of timely manner. The fact that they aren't clones of anything really means the ATF will probably want samples to approve and all sorts of stuff like that.


It only took us 3 days to get the semi auto MP40 approved. Once your a 07/SOT, things more at a different pace.

[turbothis]

got any pics?

[turbothis]

wow 15 pages! does any one know where to get some ak fcg minus hammers? like 100......

[turbothis]

uh ooooooooo, you know what this means?

[rifleman]

i'm going to pee myself
:rockon:

[turbothis]

by the end of this week i might have a drill and tap trunion option for the welder impaired! :thumbup:

[rifleman]

oops yeah i was right.

[turbothis]

by the end of this week i might have a drill and tap trunion option for the welder impaired! :thumbup:

i just reliezed the flat still has to be welded! lol sorry

[turbothis]

i made a die to stamp the middle line. works perfect! the rest is simple, bent by vice and hammer method.

[hunter_la5]

impressive! :thumbup: looks like a professional stamp job

[texlurch]

Turbo, you need to put your mind to work on CETME mag base plates.... stamp a gross of those and you'll have some customers.

[turbothis]

i might give those a try....

[texlurch]

i might give those a try....

I've been studying them a bit; hardest part looks to be getting the lips on the edge rolled tight..

http://cetme.homestead.com/files/floorplates.jpg

That and the detent punched out on the end.........

[turbothis]

ya

[dahondaboy]

I have been trying to figure those out myself.. I cant get that part down. I was thinking of taking a big punch and squaring the end of it off, cut a u-shaped groove in it and it might roll the lip with a hammer and finnesse.
but some one needs to make a jig for using a press that does both sides at once. then you could knock em' out quick.:thumbup:

[texlurch]

I figured to make two jigs; one to press the dimples and lock notch, then a slim one to hold it in place to roll the edges and lips. If the slim one had cuts where the dimples are, it should hold it in place so the edges are uniform each time.

Actually, you could make a 2-part press jig, that would put the dimples in, and roll the edges up 90 degrees at the same time. Then finish the lips off by hand with the slim flat jig.

hmmmm

I was planning on making enough for me, because it looks to be labor intensive and not worth the time to make a bunch, but if you could figure a way to streamline the process and punch out a batch, it would be worth it.

I would also not spend much time trying to get it to match "perfect"; as long as it fits the bottom of the mags secure and stays on, it would be good. And obviously different so no issue with whether it was US made or not.

[turbothis]

i think it is a multi step process
what would people pay????

[texlurch]

If you could mill out a couple plates, I think you could do it in a couple steps, not including cutting the metal...

So far as $$$, it would be another compliance part for all us trying to build legal CETME's.... $10-15 wouldn't be unreasonable.

Here is what I was thinking for a 2 parts press jig/stamp

[dahondaboy]

Depends on how much and how long it takes to make the tools,Then how much labor to pop one out, and time to cut out the flats and materials....
when you talk about it like that its soundin expensive.. But if you could work it down to like 25 shipped youd probably sell out. not alot to pay for a compliance part. and shipping wouldnt be much at all, you can mail em in an envolope.

[turbothis]

i could mill the female die easy but the male would be the trick. i dont want to flatten one of my good base plates. if i could get a donated one for the return of a us one i would try it. hint hint....

[texlurch]

i could mill the female die easy but the male would be the trick. i dont want to flatten one of my good base plates. if i could get a donated one for the return of a us one i would try it. hint hint....

Shouldn't have to flatten one.

The female will be the depth of the rear edge, plus the amount rolled over for the sides. Width and length same as the stock baseplate.

Male, would have to be the same, less the metal thickness.

If you had some clay, you could make an impression with the stock one, giving you the outline and shapes for the female and male.

But again... I wouldn't spend to much time making an exact copy. As long as the outside and lips are in spec, the dimple can pretty much be any shape you want. Even a TT.

[turbothis]

oooo aaaaa tt'ies lol

[texlurch]

Plus you can make all these you want while waiting on your 07SOT... :)

[rustypirate]

You may not even need to worry about the male part of the die.
I have heard of a trick used to form metal into a female die using hard rubber as the male portion. the rubber does not need to be exactly the right shape as it will flex to fill in the female shape as pressure is applied.

You will need a very powerfull hydraulic press for it, probably around 40-50 ton.

[turbothis]

my 20 ton bent my flat no sweat!

[rustypirate]

It may work, but bending small pieces with tight radiuses usually requires a LOT of force, and you will need to compres the rubber into the corners of the piece to get it right.

You may want to try with the press you have now, and upgrade the ram if need be.

[turbothis]

i have another 20 ton, i can double down.

[predator86]

so turbo...how are we going to be able to order one of your mp5 clones? and where do i put my name on the list for one? and will it arrive at the local ffl fully assembled and we will have to do a transfer or is it going to arrive to us as a parts kit, transfer the reciever and then put it together??



oh and my girlfriend drew up some really sweet designs of your tt's but my parents scanner wont work properly....so i will just keep trying..maybe find a computer nerd and give him some pop tarts to fix it...

[turbothis]

so turbo...how are we going to be able to order one of your mp5 clones? and where do i put my name on the list for one? and will it arrive at the local ffl fully assembled and we will have to do a transfer or is it going to arrive to us as a parts kit, transfer the reciever and then put it together??

it would be just like buying from century or any other manufactorer or dealer. it seems a weapon unassembled is not taxed so i might sell a 100% kit and then you just weld or bolt the front end together.

[kevin]

i found a company locally that speciallizes in stamped metal parts, they could have built me g3 floorplates but the minimum order would have had to be 10,000 pieces. Because of the cost of the "dies" it would have ran roughly 2 dollars per floorplate by the time i would have made one run. Thats about 20,000 dollars! i donthave that kind of money so i passed. maybe you can find a company to do it cheaper, sure would be easier, the one i talked to would have had an automated process run all by computer

[texlurch]

Actually, all we need is a group buy on CETME or G3 floorplates.

You need $20000 to start, for 10,000 floorplates.

Set the group buy at $5 per floorplate, + shipping.

That means you need a commit on 4000 floorplates. The average owner would probably be in for lets say 5, maybe more. So we need to find 800 buyers for CETME floorplates.

hmmm, maybe not.

[dahondaboy]

there's well over that many cetme+g3 owners out there,but they arent all here.
damn.......:533:

[Signal9]

Maybe track down who made the usa made followers and floor plates for FAC.
Dies could be sitting on someones garage floor at this point.

Maybe contact Harlen from NoDak Spud.

[hunter_la5]

there's well over that many cetme+g3 owners out there,but they arent all here.
damn.......:533:

but the majority of them do not need floor-plates and followers for compliance parts either

[Otis61]

but the majority of them do not need floor-plates and followers for compliance parts either

I think that the majority might. Then they could change out thier CAI brack/loudener, or black widow furnature for wood. I personally would buy 10 sets of floor plates and followers.

[rifleman]

i'd be up for 17.

[mofocus]

i needd me one of them turbo guns now....

[turbothis]

lol, did you go through all these pages?

[mofocus]

yes im alittle late hah, but ive already got 2 useless suomi kits with drums that need to be made useful

[turbothis]

well this is a good option. i think......