U.S. no longer top death by firearm?

[ctdemolay0405]

so i stumbled across this? is this for real? i mean, the liberals would have you believe we're the most violent people on earth and all gun owners are evil etc.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita


#1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
#2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
#3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
#4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
#5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
#6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
#7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
#10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people
#11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people
#12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people
#13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people
#14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people
#15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people
#16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people
#17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people
#18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people
#19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people
#20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
#21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
#22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people
#23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people
#24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people
#25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people
#26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
#27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
#28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
#29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
#30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
#31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
#32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people


check out the site for graphs, etc.

[pigpen]

Liberals leave out the 3rd world countries so that puts the US right at the top.

These countries don't count to liberals because the people who live in these countries are not as human as we are.

#1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
#2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
#3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
#4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
#5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
#6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
#7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people

[Optimus Prime]

It's been that way for a long time, like pigpen said, those other countries aren't "civilized" so they don't count.

[ctdemolay0405]

bulls**t, they count to me!

[Optimus Prime]

That's because you don't share their political views. And you're smart enough to know that we are civilized because of guns, and want to keep things that way.

[ctdemolay0405]

well, i'll attribute our civil attitudes not just to guns, but they play a large part.

[brewskzilla]

Civilization has nothing to do with it. They dont count to the liberal media, because they're ahead of us. Therefore, they are ignored, because they get in the way of someone's political agenda.

[cma g21]

According to a retired Scotland Yard official the U.K. would be much higher, but they only count crimes (including gun related) if there's a conviction. They also count multiple crimes committed by one person as one crime (for statistical purposes).
For example, an unsolved shooting counts as zero. One gunman shooting thirty people counts as one (if there's a conviction).

[SteelCore]

statistics are all in how the deaths are tallied. I don't doubt that S Africa is #1 tho, or Colombia a close 2nd.


Note that Iceland did not make the list...know why? NO GUNS at all on the island. There's 2 in a museum, and they're 200 yr old ones.

The other issue is that Iceland does not have crime. There was a tourist that stole something from a shop back in the 80's, but that was it.

[okie shooter]

You guys might want to check those stats, they are over eight years old now. Just my two cents.

[robocop10mm]

They count "Intentional Homicides". Police shootings and self defense shootings are "Intentional Homicides", they are just (usually) no billed and justifiable. It adds unduely to the stats. Take the justified homicides out and the US would probably be #15.

[hunter_la5]

You guys might want to check those stats, they are over eight years old now. Just my two cents.

it wouldn't matter if they were 8 minutes old, I still wouldn't put too much stock in them.

don't you know that 96.7% of statistics are made up on the spot? :icon_biggrin:

[ctdemolay0405]

that stats i just found are 80 years old?

[hunter_la5]

that stats i just found are 80 years old?

he said 8 not 80, which is confirmed by the website you linked to:



SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

[ctdemolay0405]

8 years old, yea, thats fine, but i'm willing to bet it hasnt changed all that drasticly

[ctdemolay0405]

and sorry about the typo

[okie shooter]

8 years old, yea, thats fine, but i'm willing to bet it hasnt changed all that drasticlyI am thinking it has, southafrica, but brazil and Venezuela are pushing the numbers. I imagine Iraq now would be up there too.