Anyone ever shot a NM AK?

[WildBillCody]

I remember seeing these at the National Matches at Camp Perry, back in the early 90's and laughing, has anyone ever shot one, and if so did it shoot really well?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=68702538

[wonderwolf]

I can safely say that for the past few years the line has been dominated by the mouse gun....That thing could be fun for rattle battle though. I don't see the point to a NM AK...its like making a bullseye gun out of a Mac 11:snatch:

[okie shooter]

Did a little research on these things, seems if you hand load and if they live up to the touted air gaged barrels, they can deliver around a MOA. I would think with some work you might get better but then there are many other rifles out there you can work with.


I don't see the point to a NM AK...its like making a bullseye gun out of a Mac 11:snatch:

I imagine thirty years ago they said the same about M-16's/AR-15's, in the sixties M-1A's/M-14's, and in the forties M-1 rifles. There has been huge resistance to beleive you can make a semiautomatic rifle accurate. I imagine if this were a valmet hunter not a chinese built rifle there would be less snickering.

[k98k792]

I have shot one. It was a little better then say,a Yugo. Shot Wolf through it I think. Honestly I have a WASR that shoots as well,with the right ammo (S&B). They are nicely made though.
That said,almost nobody works with an AK for accuracy like they do other weapons. I would not be surprised to see someone get MOA with them. So I also, would have to disagree with W.W.

[SteelCore]

to shoot bowling pins at 200yds, 100yds really effetively.

Having fired Yugo, Saiga, and WASRs, I say a well built WARS is OK...but match levels? You might get that with a SAKO (good luck finding one), Valmet, or Galil build?

[k98k792]

There are individual rifles that are outstanding,just as there are indivdual rifles that are pieces of crap. Most fall in between.
That's why I always crack up when people try to base their opinion of a type of weapon on one example. It takes a bit more then that.

I own or shoot more different types of AKs then 99 percent of the folks on the AK forums,I have to tell you you can be very surprised by some of them.

Most NM Chinese AKs are going to be more accurate then most WASRS without a doubt.

Have you really worked with a WASR? Have you handloaded for it? Have you worked with it like you would a Remington 700? Almost no one I know does.
So till you do,you don't know what that individual rifle can do.

Considering match levels are sub MOA, I would say MOST 7.62x39 AKs are not capable of that accuracy. But with the right rifle and right ammo,who knows till they try?
Want be surprised? Try some Lapua 7.62x39 out of your AK sometime.

I have been told that PSLs also are not capable of Sub MOA also,but I have posted the pics here that show with the right ammo they are.

Never know till you try.

[cimmaronkid]

I have to agree with k98 as to the accuracy of the NM AK. Have to remember that these guns had a better barrel and were built to tighter specs than the usual AK as these were to be target guns and not fielded. The one I shot was exceeding accurate. Handloading is the single one thing you can do to improve accuracy immediately in a rifle next to giving it a decent bedding job. Ak's can be very accurate with just a little work.

http://www.odcmp.com/NationalMatches.htm

Check out the CMP site as to some of the matches being shot, and you might be suprised. Even have a match for the M1 carbine.

[AK AJ]

That is a nice rifle, And probably alot more accurate than most Aks in 7.62x39. The thing about it though is the round, It's not a "match" type round 7.62x39 (which I love) has it's purpose ,it is an assult rifle round, with quite a bit of drop at certain distance,and a relitively unpredictable one at that. Don't get me wrong I love the Ak but If I was match shooting this wouldn't be my first choice, maybe if it was in a 5.56 or a 5.43. JMO

AJ

[okie shooter]

If you want to build one of these, you could start with a ak hunter, with the longer barrel, and milled receivers. The last one I saw was under two fifty. It would be like a saiga conversion but alot cheaper.

As for accuracy, its the load not the round and how well its made. Dont forget what the basic devlopement of the 6mm PPC rounds, it was the 220 russian which is based on the 7.62x39 thus, one of the accurate bench rest rounds came from this round.

The folks shooting nm with .308 arnt shooting surplus stuff, they are handloading rounds, thus if you want to get some accuracy, hand load, dont expect moa out of wolf 7.62x39.

[the_weasel]

Would be a pretty neat RPK conversion - but not at that price (ouch)!

[Planning]

i have had 3 of them. they were all very accurate when shooting steel core china made ammo. i no longer have them.(wish i still did). i had these back in the late 80's and would go to the gun club and shoot them against the ar's, it was a lot of fun. ( that was when i was very good with open site, i could see very good). i use to mess with the new guys with the ar's ( i was shooting an ar also) i would tell them i could out shoot them with an ak, they would take the bait. then i would drag out the NM and have at it.:icon_mrgreen:
i think i still have some ak-47 polytech legends ( regular milled ak's) in the safes somewhere. they may be in north texas. if i can find one i will post a picture.
i may even have a polytech rpk in (223) there some where also.

[Perro]

i was amazed at how much more accurate handloading AK bullets were in a romanian gun.

youll be amazed too.

with the milled receiver, it will be much stouter and wont flex like the sheet metal receiver

shooting wolf, or chinese, or yugo out of one of these is like shooting winchester white box out of a remington 700 and expecting the remington to shoot same hole - aint gonna happen - why?? Cause its bulk ammo, and youre paying bulk ammo prices

handload for your ak47 with good brass, and weigh everything, and then put it on a rest at the range, and then come back and tell me it isnt moa or better at 100 yards with a standard sheet metal romanian gun. It will change your mind about the accuracy potential for an AK foty snizzle

[SteelCore]

thanks 4 the info on the importance of loading match ammo. It makes sense, I had not idea that the handload would make all (well lotsa,anyway) the difference.

Makes sese because knowing us fiddlers with guns, you put ammo loading in our same hands, we're gonna get OCD about it.



Note to self: Don't take any bet that Planning is making. ;)

[k98k792]

If you don't want to handload, find some Lapua or to a lesser extent S&B. They are made to finer standard then the other ammo. Your groups will tighten up big time.

[bullseye]

I've got some Winchester brass loaded with 125gr ballistic tips that shoot one hole(50 yds) in my egyptian ak. They shoot just as well in my sks. It really does make a big difference. The ballistic tip not loaded is 150 gr, not 125 like what is loaded.

[Planning]

I have a few of the ak k-105 (.223) that were made a few years ago, all milled, suppose to have been made for target shooting. i think they only made 105 of them.
i may have to see if i have one here and take it out with the galil and shoot it. might even take a picture of it.