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SteelCore
03-26-2007, 03:19 PM
In 1945, just after Japan surrendered to the United States to end the second world war, a Japanese I-400 class submarine– the likes of which Americans had never seen– surrendered to a Navy destroyer. The Americans were surprised at the submarine's enormous size, and subsequent inspections continued to astonish. It was about 60% larger than the largest US submarines, twice as fast as the fastest US subs, and had the fuel capacity to travel around the Earth one and a half times before refueling. Perhaps most impressively, it was also an aircraft carrier.

The submarine had space for three specialized Japanese airplanes, called Seiran, which translates literally to "storm out of a clear sky." Before the Japanese surrender, this particular submarine's original mission had been to secretly sail westward from Japan to the US east coast, where an attack would be unexpected, and use its three aircraft to drop rats and fleas infected with bubonic plague, cholera, typhus and other diseases upon New York, Washington D.C., and other cities along the eastern seaboard. When problems made that plan infeasible, the sub was retasked to bomb the Panama canal from the east, but the end of the war arrived before the crew could carry out its mission.

By the end of World War 2, Japan had done quite a bit of experimentation with germ warfare, mostly in the form of infected fleas. The program got its start in the 1930s when Japan occupied Manchuria, and later in their invasion of China. These biological weapons were developed at Japan's Unit 731, an installation disguised as a water purification plant. The Allied forces had long suspected that Japan was utilizing germ warfare against China, but was unable to conclusively prove their suspicions during the war.

When America was attacked by Japanese balloon bombs, US officials were concerned that these might include some of Japan's infected flea payloads, but no such biological balloon bombs were ever discovered.

Several epidemics of cholera, typhoid, anthrax and bubonic plague were reportedly caused in China by Japan's "Uji" bombs, which were designed specifically to burst hundreds of feet above the ground, and rain infected fleas upon the populace. By some estimations, these attacks triggered outbreaks which killed as many as 50,000 Chinese people over six years. According to Chinese reports, infected houses, hospitals and other buildings were burned and had to be left untouched for decades, and fears of further outbreak still haunt the cities today.

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http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=31#more-31

iocane
04-12-2007, 02:57 PM
Saw that on the history channel. The attack on San Fransisco was called off after the nukes were dropped.

SteelCore
04-12-2007, 03:30 PM
:)

amd65
04-12-2007, 04:44 PM
I've known about this for years. These weapons were tested on US pow's, as well.

okie shooter
04-12-2007, 04:57 PM
Remember there is some us complicity in these programs and the coverups, due to the fact the Army and other intelligance units wanted the results of the japanese and various german programs thus let many war criminals escape trial right after the war. Its interesting how those who tortured maimed and killed folks that were our enemies in april or july of 1945 were granted immunity if they turned over their research done with live human subjects. Unit 731 plus many other japanese units did some really nasty things in their name of science.

Rampager
04-12-2007, 05:48 PM
We should all remember what the Imperial Japanese were planning for us the next time someone questions our use of the atomic bomb on them.

The worst part is, from what I heard the Japanese are being very selective even now as to what they are teaching in their history classes to students as far as their role in WWII and war crimes that were committed by their armed forces. Even their role in the racial genocide that took place in China and Korea is now being omitted or revised from what I've heard.

Makes you wonder what future generations of Japanese will think when they are not taught the truth about what happened. I'm all for putting the past behind us and moving on, but we must learn history as not to repeat it.

rustypirate
04-12-2007, 06:05 PM
I recently spoke with some Korean girls on the train through Germany, and you better beleive that THEY have not forgotten about the Japanese excesses during WWII.

Sometimes people would rather not look too closely at the face in the mirror.

Heck, it took a LONG time for Americans to acknowledge the atrocities aflicted on native tribes by the US government.

All we can do is to hope that they come around. Anyway there is enough documented historical evidence to ensure that it is not forgotten by everyone.

okie shooter
04-12-2007, 06:18 PM
War drives folks to be willing to do some very bad things out there, in the name of science or medicine and such. There have been instiances of human subject research here, Heck the Tuskgee Study is one, there has been state sponsered eunetics here(sterlization of mental paitents and other folks in the name of a better society, heck the state of ks, sterlized one of two twins, and the Dr. that discovered testrosone was responsable for male pattern baldness met the two, the one was sterlized as a teen, and never lost hair, the brother was bald in later life) Thus we are not all above such atrocities, just some times scale and depth are different. The milgrim experiement proved that most folks can become depraved death camp operators with enough reinforcement.

cetme
04-12-2007, 06:22 PM
the sub/air craft/germ thimg was a plot in a more recent Clive Cussler novel,
Black Wind I think.

MID
04-13-2007, 10:54 PM
This reminded me of the bat bombs we where working on.
This project paralled the manhattan project.

The idea was to equip lots of bats with delayed fused incinderary charges.
Drop the bats out of planes, and at a certain altitude the specialised cage would open up and the bats would fly away. AS soone as the bats left there perches, it pull the pin on the incinderary charge. The bats flew around and then roosted in the eves of the houses, then after the preset time the charges would go off, and burn the houses down.
Japanese use them paper walls so it realy lit up fast.

This idea was developed, and prefected. They had successfull test burning done in simulated towns in the nevada desert. The project was never put into use, because the atom was tested, and sucessful, so they went with that instead.

LorDiego
04-14-2007, 12:48 AM
We should all remember what the Imperial Japanese were planning for us the next time someone questions our use of the atomic bomb on them.

I think it can be agreed that the U.S. finished WWII quite nicely and thoroughly. That should not be debated.

I was researching into Japanese and German medical human experiments a while back...

HOLY CRAP!:wow:

SteelCore
04-17-2007, 02:56 PM
"Japanese and German medical human experiments a while back..."

Curious how the allies benefitted from such researhc, eh? We didn't condone human testing, but we sure will reap the benefits! Genetic engineering, mapping the human genome, meth, sarin, VX...

Norton
04-17-2007, 08:44 PM
[QUOTE=okie shooter;11492]Remember there is some us complicity in these programs and the coverups, due to the fact the Army and other intelligance units wanted the results of the japanese and various german programs thus let many war criminals escape trial right after the war. Its interesting how those who tortured maimed and killed folks that were our enemies in april or july of 1945 were granted immunity if they turned over their research done with live human subjects. Unit 731 plus many other japanese units did some really nasty things in their name of science.[/QUOTE

The thinking in 1946, was the Soviets were working on a bio weapons program. We assumed there would be a third world war by the mid 50s with the Russians. We thought the Stalin would use what ever weapons they had that could kill American troops or civilians in huge numbers quickly. So we turned a blind eye to unit 714 so we could know how these type of weapons worked. Then we could prepare for it and learn how we could protect ourselves. Simular deals were made with former Gestapo and SS personel by Britain, France the USA and Canada in the name of counter Itelligence. The Soviets did the same in East Germany, they knew these types to be ruthless and skilled in theri respective jobs. I believe The US did the same with same with the Japanese version of the Gestapo. That is they used them to root out the pro Soviet Reds agent working on US bases and within the newly formed Japanese goverment. We did not know how the cold war would end in the late 40s but we did not think it would end with a wimper.

snapshot762
04-17-2007, 10:05 PM
the sub/air craft/germ thimg was a plot in a more recent Clive Cussler novel,
Black Wind I think.

Yup, Black Wind. Exactly what i was thinking of when i started reading this thread.

SteelCore
04-18-2007, 11:27 AM
They say that art imitates life.

and fact is stranger than fiction.