Defensive Ammo

[ctdemolay0405]

So, what ammunition do you all use for self-defense
Talon/winchester SXT, hydra-shock, etc.
just wondering

[Templar]

9mm?

Speer 124 gr. +P Gold Dot, or Winchester Ranger SXT in either 127 gr. +P+ or 147 gr. loadings. Those three loadings have been shown to be the best performing, by far in that caliber.

Hydra Shoks were the hot ******** in 1990, but Gold Dots and SXT's have far eclipsed them. The Hydra Shoks tend to have jacket-core seperations when fired through things like auto glass and sheet steel, and tend to plug up and not expand well at all when fired through multiple layers of clothing, especially denim.

[rustypirate]

Speer Gold dot in my .45

[jonboy20]

Golden Sabers 147gr in my 9mm. It had the best expansion and weight retention compaired to gold dots and hydra shocks

[bigbear77]

Speer 135gr +P GDHP in the 38 snubbie.

Federal 9mm BP-LE 115gr +P+ or Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ in the 9mm.

Federal 125gr JHP in the 357.

Remington 180gr Golden Saber in the 10mm.

Winchester 230gr Ranger SXT in the 45.

[Cavalryman]

Speer 230 grain Gold Dot .45 ACP in my CZ97, Winchester 200 grain Golden Saber .40 S&W in my CZ75B, CorBon 147 grain 9mm+P in my CZ85 Combat, Hornady 95 grain JHP 9x18 in my CZ82. (Gee, I'm noticing a trend here!) These are the loads that are most reliable and accurate in my particular pistols. I occasionally carry a .45 Colt or .44 magnum/.44 special revolver and I favor Winchester Silvertips in them; however, I only carry one of those when I'm going to be out in "the bush" and I want to be able to change out for heavier loads for 4-legged predators.

My wife favors 125 grain JHPs, either Federal Hi-Shok or Winchester Golden Saber in her .357 magnum.

[bullseye]

Buy a box of each and see what the gun likes. Pick whichever of the top rounds that cycle fine, eject and extract always and shoot point of aim. I'm partial to Win silvertips and it wouldn't matter if I liked FMJ, I'm gonna put a round in the face regardless. Even if the bad guy lives, he won't be interested in me any more. Doesn't really matter which round you use if you don't put it where it does the most damage. It aint the noise that kills them. :)

[k98k792]

SXT in the .45. Cor Bon Power-ball in the 9mm and the 9x18 mak. I may go the Cor-Bon in the .45 after I try some out in them.

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/45_Auto_PowRBall_Corbon.html

[ctdemolay0405]

i should have mentioned - i'm asking for .40 cal

[Schultz]

Speer Gold dot in my .45


Same here!

[tanstaafl4y]

i should have mentioned - i'm asking for .40 cal

My Glock really likes the 165gr gold dots.

[Templar]

Speer Gold dot or Winchester Ranger LE SXT 165 gr. or 180 gr.

[brewskzilla]

It all depends: Are you actually planning to SHOOT an intruder, or simply pistol whipping them into submission and forcing them to eat your cooking? I use Hydro-shocks. That's just me. Really, though, an intruder is more likely to be kneecapped with a .22mag hollow point and then forced to watch my daughter's Eloise movie over and over until he swallows his own toungue. Unorthodox, I know, but it works for me.

[musibike]

I will use the 20 gage pump with #2 shot, 3 inch shells.

No harm to my neighbors.

Knee caps will turn into MUSH!

[Allwater]

... 38+P in my 2" .357 Taurus - full load .357's in my snubby is too much for my wife to hang onto just in case she gets to it first - and Heaven help 'em, because she a way better shot than I am :wall: hahaha

[robocop10mm]

180 gr Gold Dot. Expansion and penetration par excellance. Flame retardant powder so all you see at night is a glow.

[SteelCore]

In the .45s:
Alternating rounds of Gold Saber 230gr JHP with 230gr FMJ (ball). 4x JHP and 3xFMJ in the mags. I feel that all penetration probs for a JHP can be solved by .45 cal FMJ.

In the shottie:
2 and 3/4" shells, 00buck. That's like emptying a medium to hi cap .30cal of all rounds in one shot!

If it goes offensive, the AK UF with 20rd JHP, then 30rd of chinese steelcore.

After that, it gets really serious.

[RMTactical]

For which Caliber??

XM193 and Black Hills 68gr OTM in my AR15's.

165gr Gold Dots in my Glock 27.

124gr +P Gold Dots in my Glock 19.

[RMTactical]

2 and 3/4" shells, 00buck. That's like emptying a medium to hi cap .30cal of all rounds in one shot!

It's like shooting 12 .32acp's at once.

Not very powerful singularly, but combined, create fairly devastating wounds.

[musibike]

WOLF AMMO of any kind is the BEST to drop a CRACKHEAD with!

Forget all that DESIGNER ammo.

Who is going to be impressed with OVER PRICED higher dollar ammo in a real fire fight?

Will a round with a hollow point in it do less than one with a nice pretty GOLD DOT?

COME ON MAN!!!

Who are we trying to kid!

:nonono:

[RMTactical]

Seriously though, Wolf sucks. :icon_biggrin:

[cfish]

I read not to long ago that one of the only rounds that the FBI tested that past the windsheild test was the golden sabre bonded ammo. It also has a low flash powder in it to reduce vision loss at night. It is the ammo that many swat units use and the FBI.

[musibike]

You can sell GOLD ammo for more money.

It is just business?!?!

But, not in my book.

B.S.

:bull:

[bullseye]

None of this matters if you can't hit the target. 32 FMJ will drop an intruder if it is placed correctly and 45 gold dot will tick off an invader if you hit him in the arm. Never kneecap a BG with a shotgun, if you have to shoot, plan to completely "remove" the threat. If you are forced to pull a gun, don't half use it.

[musibike]

None of this matters if you can't hit the target. 32 FMJ will drop an intruder if it is placed correctly and 45 gold dot will tick off an invader if you hit him in the arm. Never kneecap a BG with a shotgun, if you have to shoot, plan to completely "remove" the threat. If you are forced to pull a gun, don't half use it.

:thumbup: :rockon: :America:

Thanks!!!!

Some real good sense here!!!

M U S I B I K E

[RMTactical]

I read not to long ago that one of the only rounds that the FBI tested that past the windsheild test was the golden sabre bonded ammo. It also has a low flash powder in it to reduce vision loss at night. It is the ammo that many swat units use and the FBI.

The FBI issues Gold Dots in 165gr, not golden sabres.

[musibike]

The FBI issues Gold Dots in 165gr, not golden sabres.


WHO CARES!!!!!!

:icon_question:

[k98k792]

I'm guessing the FBI?

[RMTactical]

WHO CARES!!!!!!

:icon_question:

Well, considering that this was a thread asking about who carries which defensive round... I would say that we have one person who cares at least.

If you don't want to participate or contribute to the thread feel free to go elsewhere.

[Beprepared]

Winchester Black Talon/Ranger 230 Gr in .45 -or- Hornady 230 gr XTP +P in .45

Why throw a Volkswagen when you can throw a freighttrain?

[13amu]

As far as ammo goes it gets like every other comparison out there. What is a better (fill it the blank) and we all know where that goes so let us not turn this into an ammo version of AR vs. AK. What is needed is what works no fuss, no muss just terminal performance. Please remember the original question this has to do with DEFENCE ammo. I have a penchant for the classics because they work, period. In my .357 Magnum I chose 125-grain light magnum hollow points. In a sub-nose .38 Special I chose semi-jacketed hollow points also in 125-grain. For the .45 Automatic it’s 230-grain Black Talon or STX. For the .44 Magnum it is the “Flying Ashtray” 300-grains of goodness. Last but by no means least for my 9x18 Makarov I chose 95-grain ball because that load / bullet function flawlessly in it. It should also be noted that Makarovs are very finicky about digesting jacketed hollow points. Mine will jam every time I use jacketed hollow points. For the shotgun it is 00-buck for me at ranges out to 50 yards and slugs past 50 to 75. If I MUST engage a target beyond 75 yards then it’s rifle time. Keep in mind that justifying self defense at 50 yards and out is going to be hard to do and lawyers are expensive! Please remember our primary weapon is our minds so Stay Alert, Stay Alive! Plus, do not dismiss your sixth sense "the gut feeling" mine has saved my life more than once. Lastly, the best advice that I have gotten from a lawyer is this statement ”The fish that does not open its mouth does not get caught” so remain silent until YOUR lawyer is present. Be courteous and respectful to the police but don’t answer anything until your lawyer arrives.

[musibike]

Winchester Black Talon/Ranger 230 Gr in .45 -or- Hornady 230 gr XTP +P in .45

Why throw a Volkswagen when you can throw a freighttrain?

:rockon:

[musibike]

It is always that LOUD braggart who gets the squad in a fight or into the brig.

Like the person who pulls up next to you in a gas station with a BOOM BOX going in a huge FORD 10 cylinder. They can't figure out why gas is so high?!?! But that is OK, every other one there is just like him. $185.00 to fill his tank for a week.

I just don't see anything AT ALL impressive about someone using a HUGE round to do what someone with a bit of skill may do with a 30Cal type round. It is like watching a little kiddo instead of grown adult behavior.

Besides, I have heard that the FBI and ATF agents I know are going with Barretta 9mm.

[k98k792]

Some folks in this thread better cool their jets.

[musibike]

Some folks in this thread better cool their jets.

Don't fret bros.

My friends don't do anything to people who play by the rules.

It is just hearing B.S. that freaks them and me out.

M U S I B I K E

[chachie420]

i use in my .40.....golden sabers,hydra shok,extreme shok,quick shock,eldorado starfire,and winchester rangers

[JC Speiser]

I'm partial to the Winchester 180gr SXT's in all of my .40cal Glocks...here's a link with info and test fired oics

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/40sw/win40-180rsxt-g27.htm

I use the same load in all of my .40's for simplicity and interchangeability -

Well, actually I do have 2 mags with subsonic frangibles close by for those special occasions..

[SteelCore]

goin' aggro on us much? WTF?

The .45vs9mm talking point is sooooo played out. each to his own.

[Old Jimmy]

+1 Steelcore,
People shoot what they want and like,

If a guy is more comfortable shooting a larger caliber pistol and it is easy for him to carry then I see where it is none of anybodys business, I shoot to please me and nobody else.

NEVER dog a man's guns,wife or their politics.

All the man asked at the start of this thread was about good defensive loads.

I shoot Wolf black box in my AR and have had no problems out of the case of it I bought or the ones I shoot in my SKS's but I would not consider them a defensive load, I just shoot them because they are cheap and have worked fine for me so far and when I start having trouble with them I will find another brand. I do notice the bolt stops going all the way into battery at around the 200 round mark with the Wolf but by then I am switching to a different rifle anyway so it has not been a real issue for me.

[musibike]

Everybody buy up as much ammo as you can afford pretty soon.

Get what ever floats your boat.

Just get ready.

MUSIBIKE