iTrader Poll - should we use it?

[M1 Tanker]

We now have iTrader installed and working. No more need for +1 to M1 Tanker type post.

From this point forward you can give your buyers/sellers Ebay type feedback.

Chris

Edited to add a poll to see if the members like it. I thought it was a great idea, but maybe others don't.

[Schultz]

Great idea Tank!

[nalioth]

Cetmerifles was a Gentlemans (and Ladies) forum, without need for all this electronic overwatch.

I liked CetmeRifles because it DIDN'T have all this 'business-like' stuff on it. Pretty soon, we might even have vendor sponsors . . . (another thing I DO NOT like)

[rustypirate]

I personally could go either way with it but I think it adds to the clutter.

[okie shooter]

Noooo to vendor sponsors, was at the gun show watching some reps from other gun websites, and I wonder how much profit it took for them to get there. As for the feed back I always thought thats what the rep power was for in a way in addition to knowlege and such.

P.S. can it also be another way for a hacker to worm into the system?

[k98k792]

I'm for it. iTrader that is.

[Rampager]

It may be nice idea...Doesn't bother me one way or another.

[M1 Tanker]

This is about feedback software, not about vendors. At no time did I mention vendors, nor will I allow vendors. I personally like it, but if the majority says no.....or if its even close then I'll kill the software.


If its too much clutter, I can kill rep power which never gets used anyway.

[Rampager]

I think it's good for new members especially.

I mean, new guys coming in don't know all the familar names like most of us. This way they can tell right off the bat who has been trustworthy. just my 2 cents....

[XO3319]

OK for me I gues....maybe I'm ambivalent.

Maybe I just wanted to use more of my 2-bit college words

[M1 Tanker]

I guess I just don't understand the downside to this at all. You can see someone's buyer/seller feedback...it protects both buyers and sellers. How can this be bad?

[turbothis]

if the thing is killed then get some video of you shooting it. but i am in.

[snapshot762]

I think that iTrader is a good idea.

[Fido Dog]

I'm for it. Even though I owed Ron $30 for a month or so...:oops:

[DAA1]

I guess I just don't understand the downside to this at all. You can see someone's buyer/seller feedback...it protects both buyers and sellers. How can this be bad?

But the question is do prior purchases count cause a lot of us have bought and sold tons of stuff, I have nothing but good feedback for the folks I have bought from, and I have not heard any complaints on some of the stuff I have sold.


Good idea...

[M1 Tanker]

I will not be deleting any old post.

2nd any member can go give someone they purchased from or sold to feedback right now.

I just don't see how this is a bad thing unless you are a shady character...but I'm willing to pull it down if enough people complain. I mean if buying and selling is this sticky because of feedback...maybe we should do away with WTS/WTT/WTB too.

[DAA1]

Tanker...
Let's not get carried away here..... where else am I gonna get some decent deals on stuff and have a place to hopefully sell some of my stuff if I ever dig it out of the garage....

[M1 Tanker]

No, I'm not DAA...I just don't see how its bad unless someone is shady and is afraid of negative feedback.

I can say that unlike Ebay if you were to get negative feedback here, you can easily PM me and lay out your case. Anything unfair, out of context or down right BS would be yanked and the offender removed.

[LostInTexas]

I think it is a great idea. I was always too lazy to search for feedback, but the trader rating is right there for all to see. For those that don't want to mess with it, don't. It is optional whether you leave feedback or not. I just don't see the downside on this one.

[Planning]

sorry for all the confussion. one of the things i like about this site is it is not like all the rest of the sites. this has been a family site and if i need to just +1on someone everyone knows what i am talking about. i don't need to keep score on someone or i don't need my ego feed with a "good" score.

i know most of the guys here and have bought stuff from or sold something to most everyone. i personally don't need someone to give me a formal feed back on me. if someone has a problem with something i have sold to them or if i have a problem with something i have bought, i just get back with them or they get with me and we resolve it. luck have it i have not had many problems.


i pick and chose who i buy from and even who i sell to. that has been my choice and will continue to be. i have seen what happens on some of the other sites when someone post a negative and it's like they circle the wagon to protect one of there own.

as for the new guys, i usually wait until they have been around for a while before i buy from them ( yes i have passed up a few good deals doing this) i figure there is less chance of getting taken that way and it has worked good so far.

i just don't care to have someone send me a pm to fill out some form or questionaire. just not going to happen. for those that want to do it i think that is fine, but please don't send me one.

the thing about linking it with ebay and other sites is not something i am not interested in being involved with. i donot support site that do not support the gun community. i also don't like the ideal of being linked with other sites. if i want to do something with the other sites i just go there.

my comment about passing on this was just for me, not everyone else.

altho this is the only site i sell stuff on i can sell most everything on another site or just sell it to other dealers. it not a problem, but i have gotten some real good items from some of the guys here and sold some good stuff also.

[Les48]

I'm for it, I've gotten some really nice stuff from the folks in this message group.:thanks:

[Perro]

Ive been a member of the fal files for several years now, even though i hardly ever post there. Ive been banned there under a previous screen name, and have gotten into it with the owner of that sight on a few occaasions about her morals when selling some things, and ive been screwed there in the past on a few deals.
the one thing i can say about the FAL files is that they have this exact system in implementation, and i had wished i could have added it at cetmerifles.com cause i personally think its a great thing.

It keeps people honest if you ask me. Cetmerifles was NEVER intended to be as big as fal files so you wouldnt have the problems you would have on a board as huge as the FF

i think its fantastic personally, and since you are asking opinions. It has been implemented on MANY firearm boards in the past, and ive seen it work succesfully.

Most of the regulars here that migrated from my old forum already know the regulars, and who is decent to do business with, this really helps the new members out who come to the website who may or may not know who is a good person to deal with.

i cannot understand objecting to this unless you are planning to screw someone on a transaction in the future? If you go above an beyond in all your transactions, you will NEVER have a problem. Ive been on ebay for many many years and have 100% feedback - thats not cause feedback is important to me, but because i go above and beyond to make sure the transaction is good to go. If im the buyer and i commit to purchase something, i pay ON TIME and in a quick fashion. If im the seller, i do not intentionally misrepresent my stuff in hopes to get more money off of some sucker, and i actually pack the stuff so it arrives safely to the person who paid for it. I dont use old sardine boxes that someone else mailed me there stuff in. I try my best to make sure there package arrives to them in exactly the condition it left me in.

That is being ethical in this business of buying and selling to people you have never met, and the only thing that defines them as being good or bad sellers is how they handle transactions.

Maybe it wasnt NEEDED on cetmerifles.com, but unfortunately militaryfirearm.com is not cetmerifles.com. We have the opportunity to reach out to a much broader group of people with this website, and it has the huge potential to become a really large forum, and there it MAY be needed to keep joe anonymous from screwing other people, or getting screwed.

Here is another thing to consider with this software
There was a dispute on cetmerifles.com between 2 members over something sold there, and i tried my best to delete the bickering when it happened.
I saw both sides as being guilty, and i like both sides so it was REALLY hard being stuck in the middle of it.
On one side, the person selling it didnt sell it as advertised according to one party
on the other side, the person had the item for over a year without a complaint so how could the seller refund it if the buyer had had it for a year without prior complaint??
One thing for sure is i HATED being stuck in the middle of that cause i liked both parties, and i saw both sides of the story as being equal so how was i to offer judgement on that? My only option was to just delete all bickering about it and im sure that didnt sit well with either party?
THIS SOFTWARE WILL REMOVE ALOT OF THAT BICKERING FOR THE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS FORUM NOW (tanker, K, and anyone else setup in the future).
Im sure you will get an occasional bicker about feedback not going the way you like it, but that is the price you must pay when you sell and buy things online.
If you are concerned about your feedback rating, then you are not doing something correctly. I could care less about my feedback rating. Even though i have a 100% on ebay in well over 200 transactions, i could REALLY care less if i got a negative cause most intelligent people can see that if you have all positive except one or two negatives, then most people can chalk that up in there minds as finding an occasional jackass, or the post office lost something, or what not, therefore i could care less about my feedback rating cause i figure the chips will land where they will land, and i handle my business properly to the point that i have nothing to worry about with feedback.


You asked for opinions on this subject, these are mine - right, wrong, or indifferent

[tump]

i say go for it. it will help you move product when you have good feed back. and you dont have to use it if you dont like to.:icon_lol:

[bullseye]

I'm all for it. It will help the new folks see who has done business before and get them more active in moving things around that if it was not in place and they had no idea what kind of rep some people have. If you don't like it you can just ignore it, like the rep power most of us ignored on the last board. Nothin wrong with it, but after being on the board for acouple of years, you know who to deal with and who to avoid. It is mostly for the newer folks that don't know us, or those that don't buy and sell much to get an idea of who they are buying from and what kind of service they can expect.

[DaCapster]

clutter~

[Longhorn789]

Good post from Perro..

My 2 cents.

We're not a trader-intensive board like FAL, AR-15 or GBoards..

We pretty much all know the veterans.

However, in order to attract new members and potentially create a board in the future that is as populated as these others, I don't see why we shouldn't plan for expansion and facilitate it.

I think it's a good tool.

Rock on Tanker..

[Jacobite]

I like it myself. The main reason is the fact it lets new people read reports about people they might buy from. I know I like to read feedback before I bid on ebay. The Rep power I guess is supposed to be given to a poster if they post something helpfull and prove they know what they are talking about? If someone hangs around long enough they will know who knows what they are talking about. Guess that is why I don't have any rep power......LOL. But sale items won't wait for a new person to decide if a seller is honest or if they give good discriptions. This will help that. I myself even believe past dealings should be noted. Why not they help build a referance base. I don't even mind if people put down I have trouble getting to the post office or UPS place and can be slow shipping sometime. My vote is it stays!! But then again I have no Rep power.......:worthy: Wait I just saw I do have 1 rep power.

[jlpskydive]

If Perro is for it so am I. Yes I'm a lemming....

[DAA1]

Yeah somtimes you may be a little slow, BUT you send emails explaining things and good communication is worth something. I can not fault anyone for having a hard time getting to the post office and shipping something if they are honest with me.

I have waited before for folks to send stuff, folks get busy, and lets face it, you have to take care of what makes your living before you take care of small side sales. I have never done a negative feedback on any of the trader boards. Did one on gunbroker cause the guy deserved it, but never had any problems here.

[Big Steve]

Ive been a member of the fal files for several years now, even though i hardly ever post there. Ive been banned there under a previous screen name, and have gotten into it with the owner of that sight on a few occaasions about her morals when selling some things, and ive been screwed there in the past on a few deals.
the one thing i can say about the FAL files is that they have this exact system in implementation, and i had wished i could have added it at cetmerifles.com cause i personally think its a great thing.

It keeps people honest if you ask me. Cetmerifles was NEVER intended to be as big as fal files so you wouldnt have the problems you would have on a board as huge as the FF

i think its fantastic personally, and since you are asking opinions. It has been implemented on MANY firearm boards in the past, and ive seen it work succesfully.

Most of the regulars here that migrated from my old forum already know the regulars, and who is decent to do business with, this really helps the new members out who come to the website who may or may not know who is a good person to deal with.

i cannot understand objecting to this unless you are planning to screw someone on a transaction in the future? If you go above an beyond in all your transactions, you will NEVER have a problem. Ive been on ebay for many many years and have 100% feedback - thats not cause feedback is important to me, but because i go above and beyond to make sure the transaction is good to go. If im the buyer and i commit to purchase something, i pay ON TIME and in a quick fashion. If im the seller, i do not intentionally misrepresent my stuff in hopes to get more money off of some sucker, and i actually pack the stuff so it arrives safely to the person who paid for it. I dont use old sardine boxes that someone else mailed me there stuff in. I try my best to make sure there package arrives to them in exactly the condition it left me in.

That is being ethical in this business of buying and selling to people you have never met, and the only thing that defines them as being good or bad sellers is how they handle transactions.

Maybe it wasnt NEEDED on cetmerifles.com, but unfortunately militaryfirearm.com is not cetmerifles.com. We have the opportunity to reach out to a much broader group of people with this website, and it has the huge potential to become a really large forum, and there it MAY be needed to keep joe anonymous from screwing other people, or getting screwed.

Here is another thing to consider with this software
There was a dispute on cetmerifles.com between 2 members over something sold there, and i tried my best to delete the bickering when it happened.
I saw both sides as being guilty, and i like both sides so it was REALLY hard being stuck in the middle of it.
On one side, the person selling it didnt sell it as advertised according to one party
on the other side, the person had the item for over a year without a complaint so how could the seller refund it if the buyer had had it for a year without prior complaint??
One thing for sure is i HATED being stuck in the middle of that cause i liked both parties, and i saw both sides of the story as being equal so how was i to offer judgement on that? My only option was to just delete all bickering about it and im sure that didnt sit well with either party?
THIS SOFTWARE WILL REMOVE ALOT OF THAT BICKERING FOR THE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS FORUM NOW (tanker, K, and anyone else setup in the future).
Im sure you will get an occasional bicker about feedback not going the way you like it, but that is the price you must pay when you sell and buy things online.
If you are concerned about your feedback rating, then you are not doing something correctly. I could care less about my feedback rating. Even though i have a 100% on ebay in well over 200 transactions, i could REALLY care less if i got a negative cause most intelligent people can see that if you have all positive except one or two negatives, then most people can chalk that up in there minds as finding an occasional jackass, or the post office lost something, or what not, therefore i could care less about my feedback rating cause i figure the chips will land where they will land, and i handle my business properly to the point that i have nothing to worry about with feedback.


You asked for opinions on this subject, these are mine - right, wrong, or indifferent

Perro, Sorry for putting you in the middle of my dispute with the guy that sold me short bolt heads and then called me a liar and a cheat because I didn't discover that he had hosed me in time for him to make it right.
You have been nothing but good to me, but at the time I thought the forum was my only recourse as I don't make it to Spain that often so I could settle it the way I would like to.:pipe:
Steve

[rep30cal]

I think this system would fare well, even if I don't have a high post
count or a big buy/sell score. I will be able to look at something and
also be able to tell if someone has a bad rep in the business dept.
I don't buy and sell a lot, so when I make a purchase, I try to keep
in contact each step of the way so the seller don't wonder what is
going on with my end. Also, people have to submit replies to it for it
to work.

[Fido Dog]

Look y'all....

This will be nice for new folks that don't know us from that ol' site that don't work no more. We know each other like bees and honey and might could give a little up and up to someone who might want to do some tradin'.

Awwwwwhhhh hell Pearl....'d be just fine.

Sorry, I was watching Andy Griffith. :cheers: