OFFICAL panic gun and ammo buying [Archive]

Planning

11-05-2008, 07:40 AM

i went to the gun show ( houston gun collectors) last weekend ( sunday) and one of the dealers i had sold a bunch of china sks rifles to had them for sale for $400.00 each and was down to his last 4 or 5 rifles to sell. he wanted to buy some more from me, i told him no. :nonono:

i also talked to a couple of other dealers i had sold the sks's ( rifles and para's) to and they had already sold all they had gotten from me. they also wanted more. i told them no also.:nonono:

i still have a few left,:wink: maybe i will sell a few of them later:icon_biggrin:

i think this is going to a be wilder time than it was the last time.:eek:

it is not going to be good for most dealer, because most of the dealers i talked to have already sold off most of there inventory and may not be able to get any more for a while, if ever. several had guns and ammo on back order for several weeks or months.

Planning

11-05-2008, 07:59 AM

i just copied this off the new j&G sales ad.

"ROMANIAN WASR AK-47 RIFLES BACK IN STOCK !!
For only $379.95 you can have your own original AK-47 rifle. These are the Romanian WASR AK rifles in 7.62x39 caliber, with standard pistol grip configuration. Accepts all standard double stack AK mags, includes one 30 round mag. They have a slant cut removeable muzzlebrake, bayonet lug, and bayonet, and some accessoies too. Assault rifles may be the first thing banned under a new presidential administration, limited availability,"

Schultz

11-05-2008, 08:10 AM

Dang, and I just lost all of my guns except an antique single shot .22 when my boat sank. I am sooooo depressed! :crying:

Funny the same thing happened to me too.

Planning we have a gun show comming up next month and i can just imagine what thats going to be like.

NOMADICONE

11-05-2008, 08:11 AM

Just checked website.....SOLD OUT of WASR10

leglifter

11-05-2008, 09:24 AM

This sucks! Just plain sucks!

Planning

11-05-2008, 10:57 AM

if you don't have spare parts already for the guns you have/ planning to build/etc., i would be buying them now.

they don't need to ban the guns first, just the import of the parts. if you have been trying to find parts now you will already know the prices have gone up a lot or the parts are not there for sale at any price.

everyone already knows the prices of guns and ammo has been climbing for several months. now every will start stocking up on spare parts.

it is a cycle that will go on for a long time. good luck.

ps: classic arms still had a few of the romanians ak's left yesterday $419.95. watch, i think these will be over $500.00 in a few days.

JC Speiser

11-05-2008, 11:16 AM

I for one am scratching my head and trying to figure out what stuff I own that I can part with - firearms aside - and hit the local rifle shop.

There are 2 people here in the office that I'm in right now that went out yesterday and bought AR's - we have a shop here in town that's selling the DMPS NATOSPORTCAL 556 in a package deal, 2 30 round mags and the plastic carry case for $605.00...one bought 2 and the other bought one...

Last time I didn't put anything away and got cought emptyhanded...it's not going to happen this time!

cwo4uscgret

11-05-2008, 11:35 AM

gee now I wonder how much that Romanian G Kit I paid $100 for is worth?

drine

11-05-2008, 11:42 AM

Planning

11-05-2008, 12:18 PM

Panic buying, the ugly side of capitalism! Don't know if I'll buy the Garand now or more ammo and mags. I dread a trip to the gun show. Forgive if I offend, but around here the gunshow sellers are just below used car salesman on the "A" hole chain.

heck, gee drine, looks like you may be right on this. looks like you need to stay home and not go to the dreaded gunshows so you won't have to pay $10.00 for that item you could have bought last month for $5.00. but don't worry it will only be $15.00 to $20.00 for it next month. then the next month it will be sold out. :rolleyes:
now, drine forgive me if i have offended you on this, cause i use to be one of those gunshow sellers. i am not going to go into how smart some of the buying public is or is not on capitalism, but wait a few months and we are all going to get a taste of socialism in this country. that is going to be real fun. :airtight:

Planning

11-05-2008, 12:20 PM

gee now I wonder how much that Romanian G Kit I paid $100 for is worth?

today, $250 to $300. tomorrow $ ??????

oh, plus shipping

tumbleweed1002

11-05-2008, 01:30 PM

Went to quantico tactical today to pick up some p-mags for the AR geuss what none zero compleatly sold out no rifle mags pistol mags not even cheap no name brand. I have a bunch right now but wow I was just after a dozen more just to have. Who would have thought the day after.

rustypirate

11-05-2008, 01:41 PM

Personally I am just going to load up on ammo, I have all the guns I want.

Also I anticiapte that the first hit will come in the way of restricting or taxing ammo to get around the Heller decision for now, before going after the guns.

SteelCore

11-05-2008, 02:17 PM

Yer 5h1tting me. That really really sux, man.

I took your advice to heart Planning...not only did I buy some fine rifles since 2002-2003 (some from you ;)), it stocked up on ammo. Not the crap-tons for sale, mind you...but enought to support my meagre collection.

500 dollar WASRs? K98, thanks for the advice on keeping mine...you totally called that one.

Mosin owners: Buy extractors.

cbear

11-05-2008, 03:56 PM

2 cans of 8mm from AIM, and 400 rounds of 30-06 from CMP. After work I'll be going to a local shop to look for an XD-45 compact. Remember the high cap ban affected pistols also.

drine

11-05-2008, 04:11 PM

heck, gee drine, looks like you may be right on this. looks like you need to stay home and not go to the dreaded gunshows so you won't have to pay $10.00 for that item you could have bought last month for $5.00. but don't worry it will only be $15.00 to $20.00 for it next month. then the next month it will be sold out. :rolleyes:
now, drine forgive me if i have offended you on this, cause i use to be one of those gunshow sellers. i am not going to go into how smart some of the buying public is or is not on capitalism, but wait a few months and we are all going to get a taste of socialism in this country. that is going to be real fun. :airtight:

That's why I wrote the "not to offend" part. For you especially. You sent me a small part a while back out the goodness of your heart. That isn't forgotten soon! My point, and I normally don't explain myself, was the "what the casual gun owner has isn't worth squat and my hacked up bubba'd Mauser is a collectors item" treatment from MY personal and local show. There are about half as many tables in recent years.....I guess the internet let us buy ammo, kits, etc for reasonable costs. True capitalism at work. I keep forgetting I joined this sight for knowledge on a particular weapon and should find other places to get on my soap box. I'd rather fuss in person so we can make up over a couple of beers. I'm a small fish in this pond.

truckguy

11-05-2008, 04:20 PM

I'm glad i bought my WASR when i did, this Friday i might have to check to see if the gun store still has AR stripped lowers and hope they don't jack the price up if they do.

Planning

11-05-2008, 04:36 PM

That's why I wrote the "not to offend" part. For you especially. You sent me a small part a while back out the goodness of your heart. That isn't forgotten soon! My point, and I normally don't explain myself, was the "what the casual gun owner has isn't worth squat and my hacked up bubba'd Mauser is a collectors item" treatment from MY personal and local show. There are about half as many tables in recent years.....I guess the internet let us buy ammo, kits, etc for reasonable costs. True capitalism at work. I keep forgetting I joined this sight for knowledge on a particular weapon and should find other places to get on my soap box. I'd rather fuss in person so we can make up over a couple of beers. I'm a small fish in this pond.

yep, i with you on this.:thumbup::airtight:

jonboy20

11-05-2008, 05:11 PM

I think I will add a Beretta 92fs....always wanted one and there is a guy on GB selling 2-toned brand new for $399 buy it now!

pigpen

11-05-2008, 05:14 PM

Dang, and I just lost all of my guns except an antique single shot .22 when my boat sank. I am sooooo depressed! :crying:

Damn man!!

Same thing happened to me. At least I was able to salvage my NEF 22 revolver.

ackspac

11-05-2008, 05:30 PM

I remember my FFL dealer telling me Bill Clinton made him more money in a few months, then he made in two years before the "first" AWB. I guess I'll be buying more ammo now. I also wouldnt put it past the "new" pres. and co. to monitor websites (like this one) just to see who owns what, who isnt going to give theirs up (if and when a total ban happens) and just to see who may be, what they consider a threat.

RandyCOG3

11-05-2008, 06:03 PM

AimSurplus has a shipping backlog of 4-5 days (they say), I've been waiting for them to ship my order of .223 for a week!

NOW the website sez "an additional 10-14 working days"....getting worse by the minute, I guess...

RandyCOG3

pigpen

11-05-2008, 06:12 PM

Funny the same thing happened to me too.

Planning we have a gun show comming up next month and i can just imagine what thats going to be like.

Where is that show Schultz?

BIG 54R

11-05-2008, 06:17 PM

guess I shoulda bought ak mags when I had the chance and some money!

I'm a broke dick know so ammo and maybe a few spare part's take precedence over all else.:eek:

wwIIBuff

11-05-2008, 06:54 PM

I think I will add a Beretta 92fs....always wanted one and there is a guy on GB selling 2-toned brand new for $399 buy it now!

I just bought one

GUS1

11-05-2008, 07:01 PM

This is my Gunomics 101
They are 2 factors that move the price of any commodity (in this case or beloved guns) fear and greed the fear that we will not be able to get 3 more rifles and the greed of the retailers that will mark up there product to generate a larger profit margin, this is fine and dandy the difference that I see this time around is that most people or at least me buy they guns whit disposable income that is left over money after paying my bills, I do not know about you guys but my disposable income has diminish due to hi prices of food and gas, my point is this; last time we had this panic buying the general economy of the united states was in relative good health so people had more money to pay the higher prices unfortunately this time around the economic outlook is not as rosy. I had to take a pay cut to maintain my job.
This is my prediction I love predicting things the prices are going to go up for a couple of months because we all have credit cards and we are on fear, eventually or credit card balance is going to makes us stop or maybe will be wisdom I hope is the second and prices will drop really fast because this time the ones in fear will be the retailers that have all their money tide up in their inventory.
Hopefully all will work for the best. Mister Obama has more important thinks to deal with one the economy, health care, same sex marriage and then if he has time he will focus his attention in or guns but until then I will not worry about it:America:.

Gunny_Frost

11-05-2008, 07:21 PM

Guns and ammo? Lost all due to "freak" boating disaster?

Me.....I thought this was a Hortaculturist web forum. Yeah, thats it I collect flowers. :kookaid:

(Yeah Mr Obama and Biden......it stands for National Roses Association...........yeah thats it)

Schmitty

11-05-2008, 07:27 PM

bigbear77

11-05-2008, 07:43 PM

Mister Obama has more important thinks to deal with one the economy, health care, same sex marriage and then if he has time he will focus his attention in or guns but until then I will not worry about it:America:.

I hope you're right. But I would also consider the very real possibility that the legislation has already been drafted and is ready to go. If that's true, then the new prez can just take it down off the shelf and start it on its voyage through Congress, where it will take on a life of its own. He just has to decide on the right moment to do so.

Hopefully that moment will not be January 20, 2009.

RandyCOG3

11-05-2008, 07:43 PM

Oh, you mean this isn't an Airsoft forum? My mistake. Real guns scare me too much, which is why I don't own any. :D:D:D:D

It was an Airsoft and flowers forum; now it's a mutual-aid-society, we've ALL lost ALL of our guns in tragic boating accidents, and don't have ANY MORE GUNS.:thumbup:

RandyCOG3

bigbear77

11-05-2008, 07:47 PM

I thought this was a Hortaculturist web forum...

Not likely, there's not that much interest in forums for those folks. You know the old saying: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture." :wink:

wwIIBuff

11-05-2008, 07:47 PM

The tears in my eyes as my beloved HK's sank to the bottom of the gulf of mexico is something I will remember forever.

wwIIBuff

11-05-2008, 07:48 PM

I think I will add a Beretta 92fs....always wanted one and there is a guy on GB selling 2-toned brand new for $399 buy it now!

This guy has a few of them up for $399 can't beat that price

RandyCOG3

11-05-2008, 07:58 PM

The tears in my eyes as my beloved HK's sank to the bottom of the gulf of mexico is something I will remember forever.

Tragic, man, tragic...but, that's what we get for playing Bumper Cars with boats full of guns.

RandyCOG3

GUS1

11-05-2008, 08:09 PM

I hope you're right. But I would also consider the very real possibility that the legislation has already been drafted and is ready to go. If that's true, then the new prez can just take it down off the shelf and start it on its voyage through Congress, where it will take on a life of its own. He just has to decide on the right moment to do so.

Hopefully that moment will not be January 20, 2009.

I believe that gun control is his silver bullet he is not going to use it until he really needs it for example at the end of his term to try to re-elect himself he is not going to use it as a business card to present himself to the American public. The fact is that half of Americans owns a gun even some democrats. The reality is that if he does not fix this economy soon the problem will grow out of control.

jonboy20

11-05-2008, 08:25 PM

This guy has a few of them up for $399 can't beat that price

Dont take them all....give me a chance to get one!!

wwIIBuff

11-05-2008, 08:50 PM

Only bought one, I am not greedy. I almost bought a used blue one for $425 today with no box, papers and there was some small rust on the barrel.

jonboy20

11-05-2008, 08:52 PM

Only bought one, I am not greedy. I almost bought a used blue one for $425 today with no box, papers and there was some small rust on the barrel.

And I bet your glad you didnt now huh!!!!! Super sweet deal! Just waiting on my FFL to confirm he is still doing xfers and I will buy!

jettag

11-05-2008, 11:01 PM

of kool-aid...
I decided to move and was storing all my guns at a buddies house but there was a fire in the barn where we process firewood and all of them were destroyed and there is just a tangled mess of molten metal left which we might sell as scrap to recover the loss and I sure wish I had been more careful!:rolleyes:because now the economy is bad and I'm sad since I can't afford to buy any more guns and even if I could I'd be afraid to because I might break some new law so I'll just sit here watching the television, unarmed, and hope that the Police and thieves come in time for me to get robbed and assaulted and processed before the next show comes on.
May we all find protection, guidance and abundance in the times to come.

nevada

11-05-2008, 11:30 PM

I used my guns to cover my bets at the casinos. Sigh. I thought if you got more than '21' you were the winner. I will miss them.

Texican

11-06-2008, 03:25 PM

I don't see why people are panicing and buying GUNS. Have they already forgotten that the NRA-ILA just passed the law that the 2nd ammendmant right stands in FULL for EVERY state? They can't ban guns of any type anymore for atleast 4-6 years.

The only thing they can touch are muzzle breaks/flash hiders, ammo, high cap magazines, and maybe after-market stocks.

Don't panic and start buying a bunch of assault rifles thinking they are going to get banned....because they arent going too. Now on the other hand if you want to sell them for a really high price to a person who does not know the above information, well thats just lucky!

cfish

11-06-2008, 03:45 PM

Ok here ya go with some fresh info from Charlotte NC. Was just in one of the largest stores in this area. For the last 5 days they have averaged, hold onto your hats for this one) 7 gun sales a minute for the past 5 days. They haven't even counted the total number and received 2 large deliveries of guns and ammo in the past 2 days. They siad the folks who live in the burbs are the ones buying. Several folks were walking out the door with an arm load as I went in. This is insane. Good for those in the business though.

cfish

11-06-2008, 03:48 PM

Player

11-06-2008, 04:14 PM

lets not forget that they can tax these things up the bunghole

rustypirate

11-06-2008, 04:27 PM

Texican, although the Heller case landed in our favor, it left wide open a huge loop hole in which types of guns can be banned if congress were to pass this. The Heller case only settled the issue of the individual right to own, just not what type an individual may own.

Not necessarily true, the Heller case clearly stated that the people had the right to acdess to "usual and customary types of firearms readily available to civillians".

I feel that the loophole that it left gaping open was the one on Regulation. It allowed for states to apply whatever form of regulation adn registration that it deemed adequate, which allows them "red-tape us to death".

jettag

11-06-2008, 04:28 PM

Don't you dare touch my muzzle,

"The only thing they can touch are muzzle breaks/flash hiders, ammo, high cap magazines, and maybe..."

and maybe your soul :eek:...evil laugh.

How nice of the admins to allow us the indulgence of waxing poetic about the end times.

:machinegun::zombie::terrorist::tinhat::bull:

brewskzilla

11-06-2008, 05:48 PM

Just remember: panic buying is what caused the recent gasoline shortage.

Ammo: I could use more, but I have a proper $h!tload of it, now. (as opposed to a metric $h!tload.)

Guns: I have quite a few. My wife will kill me if I buy any more any time soon, so I'm good to go there, too.

Obama: We'll see what he does. Hopefully he's not stupid enough to go after the Constitution, but if he is, well... I recommend we all watch Braveheart a time or two...

hunter_la5

11-06-2008, 06:13 PM

Have they already forgotten that the NRA-ILA just passed the law that the 2nd ammendmant right stands in FULL for EVERY state? They can't ban guns of any type anymore for atleast 4-6 years.

Huh? :wtfflag:

jfowl31

11-06-2008, 06:21 PM

Huh? :wtfflag:

+1

wwIIBuff

11-06-2008, 06:45 PM

Huh? :wtfflag:

I was thinking the same thing.....

RandyCOG3

11-06-2008, 06:51 PM

Just remember:
Hopefully he's not stupid enough to go after the Constitution, but if he is, well... I recommend we all watch Braveheart a time or two...

This is what I sincerely fear. I don't think he regards the Constituion as anything but a bunch of silly, outdated rules that need to be tossed out in favor of some silly 21st Century liberal horse-sh1T that will allow the Dems to keep better control over the sheeple, forever. Gov't med care, gov't retirement (Look for them to SEIZE 401k's and IRA's under the guise of "protecting us" from things like ups and downs of the stock market), gov't redistribution of wealth, which the Annoited One would have us belive he can do without increasing our taxes...he never said he wouldn't increase our cost of living though, just tax the businesses and let us pay higher prices instead....just jam a few more libs on the Supreme Court, and legislate from the bench, whatever rules you want...screw the Constitution.....

Grrrrr....

RandyCOG3

bigbear77

11-06-2008, 07:15 PM

I believe that gun control is his silver bullet he is not going to use it until he really needs it for example at the end of his term to try to re-elect himself he is not going to use it as a business card to present himself to the American public. The fact is that half of Americans owns a gun even some democrats. The reality is that if he does not fix this economy soon the problem will grow out of control.

Excellent point!

bigbear77

11-06-2008, 07:22 PM

Look for them to SEIZE 401k's and IRA's under the guise of "protecting us" from things like ups and downs of the stock market

That is already being discussed: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html

turmanator

11-06-2008, 08:17 PM

Holy crap..will it be done in jackboots?

I will I go to a gulag if I don't comply?
Send me to Alaska?

cfish

11-07-2008, 12:05 AM

That is already being discussed: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html

Yep I read some of his drivel and that is one of his plans. He would take our 401's and put them under gov't control. He even went so far a few years ago to say that all the 401 money should, for lack of a better word, be confiscated put into one giant pot such as SS and then be redistributed. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't read it myself. I doubt that would pass but the fact that this is the way he thinks is very scary to say the lease.

captlou17

11-07-2008, 06:45 AM

The next few months will surely be interesting. 2 wars, failing economy, poor foreign relations, and the fact that gays cant marry in california anymore(ok, 3 of the 4 are bad anyway :-) ) I fear for my little stash of guns as well, and like i read a few pages back, I just dont have the bread this time around to throw towards any 1000.00 purchases either. I too had to find other gainful employment and unfortunetly it doesnt pay nearly enough(I know...join the crowd) My local shop has a few dpms stripped receivers left for 119.00 and even that is kinda of a stretch considering i just got fuel oil and it was nearly 500.00...and the tank isnt full either :-( I hope that other poster was right, in saying obama has enough on his plate already to keep his hands off gun rights for now. Lets not forget that HR 10/22 is still floating around too. If that works out, I'll only have 1 gun not on the ban sheet, and its black powder powered :-(

lou

pelos

11-07-2008, 09:22 AM

Holy crap..will it be done in jackboots?

I will I go to a gulag if I don't comply?
Send me to Alaska?

No you wont get sent to a gulag, only your "five year plan" will be reassigned

Grasshopper

11-07-2008, 09:42 AM

If we know that we are getting the good old death by a thousand cuts by the Communists and their "fellow travelers" in Congress, when is it time to tell them NO?

Well, As for me? I can't wait until the Police have to decide weather they want to go door to door to confiscate guns or resist a lawfull order and become rebellous terrorists needing to be placed in a "relocation camp". This might be interesting.
As police, you are to protect us from tyranny, will you? Will you military guys "go along" to get along? I hope not.
If it gets really bad, I expect an Admeral to steam a carrier off the coast of washington to let the Govt know they need to back off. Is this posible?
And for my stuff, I sold it all to a roving ban of boyscouts and they lost it all in the Atlantic.

JC Speiser

11-07-2008, 09:52 AM

The panic buying appears to be in full swing...I'm still waiting on the .223 that I ordered from Aimsurplus almost 2 weeks ago...I just tried to order another 1,000 rounds from Ammoman and when I hit the BUY button it popped up and said that they were not taking ANY orders for the next 3-4 days, they were 2,000 orders behind.

Texican

11-07-2008, 11:54 AM

Huh? :wtfflag:

To all the people that do not know what I was referring too. Sometime this year several months ago NRA put a law suit on several different states including Washington and California deeming there anti-gun laws Unconstitutional.

NRA-ILA won all cases. Washington had to remove the handgun ban and California sometime in near future has to remove all gun restrictions.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=218&issue=010

Here is a list of the new state constitutions. Notice that almost all only regulate CARRYING of firearms.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=63&issue=010

Here are the highlights of the Heller decision. The NRA pretty much shoved a bayonet up the arse of gun banning. For at least 4-6 years no one will be able to challenge this and ban guns. It is the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS! Period! They can no longer tell you what you can and can't own for the time being. :America:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=235&issue=010

jfowl31

11-07-2008, 05:57 PM

Everyone here knows about the court decision you are talking about Texican..... The comments are a jab sort of saying that you don't quite understand what the decisions ACTUALLY mean.

The ONLY place that was directly effected by the decision was Washington DC. The decision COULD be used to try and overturn decisions made by other state governments at a future date, but at this moment, they haven't done anything really.

Basically, your first statement implying that we are untouchable is a total farse. The Heller decision was a great victory for us, but so far, it hasn't really amounted to much.

Here are the highlights of the Heller decision. The NRA pretty much shoved a bayonet up the arse of gun banning. For at least 4-6 years no one will be able to challenge this and ban guns. It is the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS! Period! They can no longer tell you what you can and can't own for the time being.

I think you need to read up a little more on exactly what the Heller decision did. While I agree that it is our constitutional right, the Heller decision did not outwardly state that we can own anything at any time in any place as you are making it sound. BHO and the senate/house could very easily pass a new AWB if they wanted even with the Heller decision just 6 months ago. Basically, the Heller decision did nothing for anyone not living in Washington DC. It may do some good things in the future as a reference for other cases though.

vista461

11-07-2008, 06:57 PM

All fired up: Gun owners rush to buy guns for fear Obama, Democrats will curb gun rights
http://www.startribune.com/nation/34098184.html

RandyCOG3

11-07-2008, 07:34 PM

That is already being discussed: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html

Thanks for posting the link, Big Bear.

RandyCOG3

RandyCOG3

11-07-2008, 07:41 PM

Yep I read some of his drivel and that is one of his plans. He would take our 401's and put them under gov't control. He even went so far a few years ago to say that all the 401 money should, for lack of a better word, be confiscated put into one giant pot such as SS and then be redistributed. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't read it myself. I doubt that would pass but the fact that this is the way he thinks is very scary to say the lease.

Oh, it wouldn't be fair for one person to have a 401k, and somebody else NOT have one, so, to be fair, just confiscate the evil account holder's $$$ and give most of it to people w/o retirement accounts...yeccch.

RandyCOG3

bigbear77

11-07-2008, 08:59 PM

They even have a new name for the plan: Socialist Security.

bigbear77

11-07-2008, 09:08 PM

RandyCOG3

11-07-2008, 11:27 PM

In nearby Boulder County, the paper ran an article about panic gun buying: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/nov/07/fears-of-a-dem-crackdown-lead-to-boom-in-gun/

If your stomach can take it, it also ran an article about how the Obama yard signs should be treasured, not discarded. Here's a quote:

"Boulder County residents who decorated their lawns with Barack Obama signs are hoarding them as pieces of memorabilia rather than dumping them. And many supporters of the president-elect who didn’t snag Obama items before the election now are scrambling to get them, according to officials with the Boulder County Democratic Party. 'People are desperate to get yard signs and bumper stickers and buttons,' said Susan Boucher, office coordinator for the Boulder County Democrats."

Link to story: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/nov/07/obama-signs-treasure-not-trash/

Can I move to Wyoming now?

If I knew where to find 1, 10, or 50,000 Obama signs, I'd store them all, gladly.
And in four years, I'd make a stencil, and turn them all upside down, and spray paint the word "CHANGE" on them all, in BIG, bright orange letters, and post them all over Hell and back.... assuming things go as badly as many of us think that they will.
OTOH, even if he does, in fact, bankrupt the coal industry as he has said he'd like to do, and we can't afford electricity anymore, we can just hew rough sawn logs with our bare hands to make the signs..instead of having signs printed in a <former> print shop.... ugh.

RandyCOG3

7.62guy

11-08-2008, 07:36 AM

it's most likely not a good idea,but i have been seeing alot of his signs and pics at the gun range. on the down range end.:rolleyes:

bigbear77

11-08-2008, 09:08 AM

it's most likely not a good idea,but i have been seeing alot of his signs and pics at the gun range. on the down range end.:rolleyes:

I love it! But I'm going to leave my favorite Obama sign intact:

Cavalryman

11-09-2008, 01:55 AM

I don't see why people are panicing and buying GUNS. Have they already forgotten that the NRA-ILA just passed the law that the 2nd ammendmant right stands in FULL for EVERY state? They can't ban guns of any type anymore for atleast 4-6 years.

Huh?

Edit: Okay, I read some of the replies. I agree that the Heller Decision is being misunderstood in the above statement.

SteelCore

11-09-2008, 10:55 AM

Oh, right. Pardon my density. heehee. ;)

19Charlie_84

11-09-2008, 12:32 PM

Its probably a very good thing I graduated Northern Illinois University when I did. If I was still there at this time I would be the most not liked person on campus as 90% of people there are hardcore democraps. (9% are foriegn students who cant vote but would vote NObama anyway) So like an outlaw biker, I am a 1%er. I cannot wait 4 years, or sooner, to say "I told you so" when he f***s this whole thing up. Wouldnt it be awsome if we were invaded by some country and the people were called up to arms? (snickers as most people would crap themselves) But OH WAIT you took all our assault weapons, jack ass.

Planning

11-10-2008, 09:52 AM

classic arms still had a few of the romanians ak's left yesterday $419.95. watch, i think these will be over $500.00 in a few days.

whoooo:eek:, i guess i was wrong about the $500. now they were at $700 at the ft worth or dallas ( i forgot which show the dealer was telling me about) gun show last weekend. they were selling them as fast as they could get them out of the shipping boxes. people didn't seem to care how much they were in price.

classic arms was down to less than 10 romanians friday. :eek: they said have more on back order. i think i will give it a couple more weeks and then start selling off some of my extras. 1 or 2 at a time.

hey! this is good ( great) for the economy. :thumbup: gets people back to buying stuff. i think i understood the democrats :rolleyes: were wanting people to buy more. :icon_biggrin:

anyone notice what the cetme's are going for now? i have not been watching them.

the SKS's are going up fast in price. i guess i need to start watching them more. anyone watching them?

:airtight:

ackspac

11-10-2008, 10:02 AM

whoooo:eek:, i guess i was wrong about the $500. now they were at $700 at the ft worth or dallas ( i forgot which show the dealer was telling me about) gun show last weekend. they were selling them as fast as they could get them out of the shipping boxes. people didn't seem to care how much they were in price.

classic arms was down to less than 10 romanians friday. :eek: they said have more on back order. i think i will give it a couple more weeks and then start selling off some of my extras. 1 or 2 at a time.

hey! this is good ( great) for the economy. :thumbup: gets people back to buying stuff. i think i understood the democrats :rolleyes: were wanting people to buy more. :icon_biggrin:

anyone notice what the cetme's are going for now? i have not been watching them.

the SKS's are going up fast in price. i guess i need to start watching them more. anyone watching them?

:airtight:

Wow! Iam glad I bought one two years ago. I really didnt want one but for $325 I thought "oh well, just keep her in the safe." After refinishing the stock and some Duracoat she still hasnt had one round through her. Hmm, time to sell her or hold to her? I ve been looking at a new M&P 45 compact.

Planning

11-10-2008, 10:20 AM

I don't see why people are panicing and buying GUNS. that looks like it may be a true statement.

Have they already forgotten that the NRA-ILA just passed the law that the 2nd ammendmant right stands in FULL for EVERY state? not correct. nra-ila cannot pass any laws

They can't ban guns of any type anymore for atleast 4-6 years. they (congress by laws, president can do it by "Executive Orders")could do it tomorrow..

The only thing they can touch are muzzle breaks/flash hiders, ammo, high cap magazines, and maybe after-market stocks.pistol grips,surplus ammo,scopes/mounts,semi-auto's,detachable mags...

Don't panic and start buying a bunch of assault rifles thinking they are going to get banned....because they arent going too. crystal ball thinking?

Now on the other hand if you want to sell them for a really high price to a person who does not know the above information, well thats just lucky! maybe a correct statement.

just my thoughts on this.......:airtight:

turmanator

11-10-2008, 10:44 AM

Went to the Conroe gunshow Saturday for a laugh.
$600.00 WASR's :eek:

cz759

11-10-2008, 12:44 PM

Grasshopper

11-10-2008, 02:24 PM

Well, he can come get my gun pictures because that is all I have left.:icon_biggrin:

Woodman in MO

11-10-2008, 03:14 PM

Just to lighten it up a little....

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ludzyd.jpg

ackspac

11-10-2008, 03:59 PM

I haven't seen this many people in gun stores, actually buying, not just looking in a loooong time. Been buying spares and ammo discretly for the last three years. Under the radar if you will.
Good luck to all here

Umm, were not buying, we all have either sold or lost all of our firearms in trajic accidents here recently.

RandyCOG3

11-10-2008, 04:20 PM

Wouldnt it be awsome if we were invaded by some country and the people were called up to arms? (snickers as most people would crap themselves) But OH WAIT you took all our assault weapons, jack ass.

Wasn't that long ago, maybe 10 years or so, some group out of MacDill AFB did some sort of amphibious landing on Anna Maria Island here, firing blanks... but they didn't announce their plans ahead of time, and several of the WW2 and Korea vets on the island didn't know WTF was going on, and grabbed their smokepoles and headed for the beach to repulse the invaders.... it all got sorted out without any casualties.

RandyCOG3

cz759

11-10-2008, 05:14 PM

Umm, were not buying, we all have either sold or lost all of our firearms in trajic accidents here recently.

Holy crap! Guess I spoke too soon. Just got a call from my dad in Idaho. Seems they had a awful lot of rain there the other day and completely wiped out the storage unit we had all of our good stuff. Only thing left that they found was my .38 Ruger. By the way, insurance company says it was not covered.

Planning

11-12-2008, 10:38 AM

well,i started sorting out some guns to sell when the prices get to outragious. it is getting close now.:eek:
i was going to keep most of them, but i am rethinking how many i really do need and i want to share. :thumbup:
i am going to share my guns and they ( gun buyers) are going to share there money with me.:rolleyes:
not for sale yet............:nonono: i will post them in the for sale section when i get ready. :wink: or i may just take them to the next gun show.........:wink:
:America: :airtight:

Planning

11-13-2008, 11:08 AM

it is about 11:00 AM and it looks like the panic buying is starting to let up some. i have been watching gunbroker and a few of the gun sites. let us hope so.. there are a few guys with $$$$ signs in there eyes hoping for a buyer, but for most part they are getting little or no buyer response on there stuff. funny how the market will take care of itself. if there is no unfounded rumors for a few days it may settle down for a while.

there is still the problem with the wholesalers without rifles and ammo to sell and that will not help the market for a while. some of these wholesalers will find some stock in the back of there warehouse that they "forgot" they had and it will start to show up when the sales start dropping. keep in mind that the major importers will stop there imports until the political issues are resolved ( ban or no-ban) and this will put a crimp on some dealers having stuff to sell. this is a cycle that the gun community goes thru like any other business.

buy what you really want, but don't be .....:eek:..... about it ( trying to be nice)

i forget all the time what i have in storage, oh well........:airtight: i will keep watching this for a while...........:airtight:

cfish

11-14-2008, 07:31 AM

Good post Ron!!!

kevin

11-14-2008, 06:46 PM

Century Arms and SOG told me they have no AK's or AR's of any kind left. I cant believe the amount of people at the gun counters at the gun store today in OK City. I guess we are now called the most red of all the states. People were buying up all the semi autos and even all the ammo was almost gone. It seemed like there was an invasion going on with all the people buying guns and ammo. It is even hard to find a parking spot at these places. When I was calling around to ask if anyone had an Ak's left all the places had messages saying they were not answering the phone due to high customer numbers in the store.

This is madness! Glad I saw this coming and bought what i wanted over the last 2 years

Planning

11-14-2008, 07:37 PM

i am going to try to go to the houston gunshow tomorrow to take some (3 sks's rifles, 3 sks para's and 3 wasr's) rifles to sell. a buddy of mine has several tables and will let me use a little space. ( i will help him sell his stuff)

the panic is on again, i quit answering my phones days ago.

wwIIBuff

11-14-2008, 08:03 PM

xernex

11-14-2008, 08:38 PM

I'm hoping things are sorted out by the time I go to the last big show of the year next week... I've got about a grand to blow on a christmas present for myself... and I hope I can find what I'm looking for

jonboy20

11-14-2008, 08:49 PM

I think I am going to see if there are any 30 round AR Pmags left at the Austin Gun SHow tomorrow. Oh...and pick up my new Beretta from my FFL!!!!

wwIIBuff

11-14-2008, 09:14 PM

Did you pick up one of the 399 92FS on GB, if so they are real nice. I am going looking myself on Sat. I sold an HK P7 and I am looking for a rifle. I have an HK 93, 91, a century FAL, an arsenal AK, a rock river AR and of course a 10/22. any suggestions

jonboy20

11-14-2008, 09:22 PM

Did you pick up one of the 399 92FS on GB, if so they are real nice. I am going looking myself on Sat. I sold an HK P7 and I am looking for a rifle. I have an HK 91, 91, a century FAL, an arsenal AK, a rock river AR and of course a 10/22. any suggestions

Sure Did!!!! I would have had it tonight but I had to work late. Did you get yours in already?

wwIIBuff

11-14-2008, 09:37 PM

Sure Did!!!! I would have had it tonight but I had to work late. Did you get yours in already?

Yes, I got it on Monday. already get 30 rounds down the pipe

jonboy20

11-14-2008, 09:44 PM

Got another AR....or maybe a Sig 556. If they have any and if they did not jack the prices up!

wwIIBuff

11-14-2008, 09:56 PM

I will look at a Sig, I have a built AR lower with the ACE tactical 5 position stock.

RandyCOG3

11-14-2008, 10:00 PM

the panic is on again, i quit answering my phones days ago.

Yeah, panic sucks.
What's that number again, I seem to have misplaced it, you know, just in case a hurricane is coming, and you were asleep.? I'm yer bud, I'd call, and let you know...

I don't need any guns, not me, no sir-eee.

RandyCOG3

bigbear77

11-14-2008, 10:32 PM

Talked to a friend today who said that last Saturday (11/8) the local gun shop (www.jensenarms.com) was so crowded that people were being told by the staff to wait outside. When you showed up you were given a ticket with a number on it. When someone left the store, the next number in the queue was called and that person got to go into the store. Friend said this went on the entire day. Unreal...

jonboy20

11-15-2008, 10:49 AM

So just got back from the Austin Gun Show…..can we say price raping!!!! There were a lot of people with 30 round AR Pmags….but they use to be 17.99 with the window. They are now going for 21.99 and up. Same with all mags. I will say this…..my FFL did not raise any of his prices. SO I did pick up 4 more for $18.

The ammo sellers were the busy ones. Lots of black rifles…more than there usually are, but a $1200 Colt is now $2000….WTF?

I picked up my new gun, not sure if I would call it a panic gun since I was going to get it already!

11851

cfish

11-15-2008, 04:33 PM

Just got back as well from our small local gunshow which has been declining in turn out for the last 2 years. It was jam packed and everything was sky high. WASR 10's were, 555.00 was the cheapest I saw. AR's were a little higher then usual but not to bad. Ammo was jacked up. It was selling big time and people were paying the jacked up prices. Saw SKS's from 275.00 to 550.00 Mosins were around 125.00 with 1 for 99.00. Saw a PU sniper for 675.00 it was beat up. AK mags were all going for 25.00. I guess if people are willing to pay then they got what they payed for. The line for the handgun permits that our local sheriff does himself on the spot with background checks was a mile long. There had to have been at least 80 people waiting to fill out the form for a permit. It never seemed to die down even after 2 hours. Oh well sorry for those who feel the need now to stock up.

Planning

11-15-2008, 05:39 PM

i didn't get to go to the gunshow today. my dealer friend just called. he ( my ffl dealer friend) did take the 9 rifles i was going to take and sold them all before 11:30 am. he said he could have sold a lot more of them. he wants to take some more tomorrow, (he gets everything over the price i set of each rifle sale,) so now i am out in the shop now digging him up about 10-15 more rifles to take in the morning.
i had not planned on selling these until december or early jan.
he said he didn't even get to eat lunch. it never slowed down all day. if i am feeling better i may go tomorrow and help him. :airtight:
i am sure glad to be getting rid of all this stuff. i need to dig down to the boxes of mags now. he said hi-cap rifle mags are going like crazy........
i didn't ask about ammo.

xernex

11-15-2008, 08:23 PM

^^Cfish did you happen to see anybody selling thompsons? I really hope to find one in Raleigh next weekend... or at least find somebody locally to order me one since I've finally got the cash...

been trying to buy one all freakin year and every time something has got in my way

MrGoodkat

11-16-2008, 12:16 AM

Planning

11-16-2008, 06:43 AM

I can't believe this crap. I've got $150 credit at Cabela's so I figured I'd stroll in and maybe see if they could order an AR lower. Not sure if they could, but what the heck. I don't have an AR - would like to have one someday. The guys pretty much laughed at me - said that everything is backordered till god knows when. So, when I got home I started checking around on the net and found out that gun dudes are running around, foaming from the mouth, and spending cash like the end of days is next week.

People are buying like 10 AR lowers at a time. What does one man do with 10 AR lowers? Stock up this week to gouge the crap out of Joe Schmo next week when they are backordered? A-holes. Looks like ammo is almost as bad. I heard a local gun store slapped like $600 on some crappy Romy AK's that were $350 last week and they look like they were put together by some cracked out hoodrat who just polished off a couple of 40's of OE.

yep! people are buying what they can find in ar stuff. 1 or 10 or 20. some are buying them for future builds, some to trade, some to try to make a lot of money off of them.
the ak's are selling high because there may not be any replacements for a while or even ever from the importers. $600 for a romanian, you have not seen anything yet on the price of them. it is going to get much much higher. anyone wanting a $350 ak should have bought it last summer and ammo for it.
( PS: i have 2 romanians for sale in the for sale section today $600 each, but i may send them to the gunshow in houston if the ones i sent sell out, they are selling for more than $600 there.).

Normally I could care less, cuz I know this a retarded-ass panic. Sure, Obama will more than likely put some sort of gun ban into effect, but it isn't going to be the day after he is sworn in. The only thing about it that pisses me off, is that my credit at Cabela's expires Dec 28, and if the backorders are as bad as everyone else says, I won't be able to get one by then. Sure, call it crappy planning on my part, but geez.

this has been talked to death on the guns site for at least 2 years. unless someone has been sleeping the whole time they should have know this was going to happen and bought up what ever they wanted way before the election.
yep! crappy planning on your part it is. maybe you can trade it for a gift card to be used later.

Everyone should take a couple of shots of Cuervo, stare in the mirror, and bitch slap themselves 10 times before spending money on jacked-up gun stuff now.

totally agree with this, maybe even 2 shots of Cuervo today. except i am one of those that bought 10-20-50 of the stuff that is sell for the outragious prices and i will continue to do so as long as it last or i run out of guns and stuff to sell.

If anybody knows where a guy could get one AR lower in MN for the same price as they were last month, please let me know.

DUH! you got to be kidding on this ( finding an ar lower at last months price. if you look hard someone out there may have one for you.) just because someone didn't plan well.........i guess i am not going to finish this, someone else can finish this.........GOOD LUCK .:rolleyes:

there are 10's of thousands of friends of obama out there that are buying up guns and ammo now that they realize they are screwed and they screwed themselves. now the they are getting screwed buy the very same people they intended to screw over. everything that goes around comes around. the sad thing is even if you didn't vote for obama you are going to get screwed also.
sorry for this part of the rant, i had to stop answering my phone because of the rants of panicking people who didn't plan well and are now paying the price. :airtight:

wwIIBuff

11-16-2008, 07:05 AM

I saw a ton of AK's at a FL gunshow from $450 - 600 yesterday. AR's were everywhere and lowers were $150 each for DPMS

trenches

11-16-2008, 09:11 AM

Wow, lots of screwing around going on. The gunshop that I go to had AR lowers laying around for months. Last week he sold every one of them. Some guy bought 4. He sold every AR in the store. I have only one AR and that's enough for me. I have other ordnance in the gunsafe. I'd rather buy ammo and reloading components than another lower.
I remember back when I bought 4 Romy G kits from DPH for $89+ each. They were brand spanking new, never used. I even had 2 sequentially numbered kits. One I gave to my buddy to build. The other is still in the box. If anything, I'll buy a 80% receiver and the other parts to put it together.
No sir, it's components and brass for me. Powder, primers, and bullets. I just got done prepping 200 .308 LC cases. I intent to get more. I'm an ammo whore, not an AR lower whore.

tumbleweed1002

11-16-2008, 09:27 AM

Me and the wife went to a few pawn shops yesterday AK's were going for 650.00 AR's were 1200,00 and up one had a fixed stock SPAS 12 for 1695,00 yea it's crazy the lowers I saw at one were DPMS and were for sale for 350,00 with an m4 stock. the only thing I ended up buying were some C PRODUCS 30 rnd AR mags for 14.00 -a 10% discount at quantico tactical. I am sooooo glad I saw this comming and stocked up it is a zoo out there right now.

wwIIBuff

11-16-2008, 09:34 AM

I bought a milled Arsenal AK last weekend for $525 and a limited edition Cetme for $560 and a New Beretta 92FS for $450. Deals can still be found you just have to look.

MrGoodkat

11-16-2008, 10:53 AM

this has been talked to death on the guns site for at least 2 years. unless someone has been sleeping the whole time they should have know this was going to happen and bought up what ever they wanted way before the election.
yep! crappy planning on your part it is. maybe you can trade it for a gift card to be used later.

I have all the guns I want, except a quality bolt gun and an AR. I bought my AK kit weeks before they dried up. I bought my Cetme kit days before they dried up. The difference is that AR receivers are being churned out by the thousands everyday right here in the good old US of A. Like everyone else, I anticipated a increase in sales if numbnuts was elected, just not a knee jerk retarded-ass panic.

I am far from worried. I know they will be available again, at a price near or the same as they were a month ago. It just pisses me off that:

A) I probably won't be able to use my credit for a lower cuz the backorder

B) There are a-holes out there that are creating the backorder cuz they are buying thousands of dollars in lowers and other parts with the intent reselling and screwing over everyone else. I don't know who to hate more - these folks, or the speculators and hedge funds that drove up oil prices in the same way a few months ago. Well, we all see what happened to the later - screwed themselves over in the end.

kevin

11-16-2008, 03:28 PM

well at least in oklahoma all the semi autos are gone, all the shotguns, and rifles and most pistols. it looks weird seeing empty gun racks and empty display cases with mostly just revolvers left in the glass cases. The only pistol ammo left at places is the odd stuff like 50 cal pistol, 44 mag and calibers i didnt even know existed.

bolt actions, lever actions and pumps are all thats left even .22 lr is running low!

Planning

11-16-2008, 09:25 PM

i didn't get to go to the gunshow today, but my friend took a pile of rifles with him for me. he sold all but 2 of them, it was late in the show and both of the guys got delays. he will take them ( the 2 rifles) to the gunshow next weekend for them to pick up there( if they pass). he had already sold all his rifles at the last 3 gunshows ( including a few he had planned on keeping). he said people are buying anything and everything. most of the people buying had not owned a ebr before and are just wanting to get one before they cannot get one.

he is out of hi-cap rifle mags, so i guess i will try to dig a few out for him to take next weekend. got to find them first.

he said the ammo is going fast, he is sold out. he is really wanting some ammo to sell so i guess i may let him take about 10 thousand rounds of 8MM, 7.62 x 39, 7.62x54r next weekend. price per round is getting up there now.
i will have to find out what the going rate is now. i have to think about this some more. i am not really sure if i want to sell any of the ammo yet, if ever.

MicroPilot

11-17-2008, 09:44 AM

Went to the gun show in Cincinnati this weekend, on Sunday, the last day of show. Very crowded. Lots of guns available. Saw Cetmes, HK-93's, a few high end AR-15's, SKS, AK's, SIG 5.56, Garands, Mini-14's, a G3 or 2. Several really good deals. All kinds of pistols and revolvers.

Ammo and magazines were available.

Prices were a little higher, but not outrageous at most tables.

One gooball who was trying to gouge had all the guns at his table with tags saying "Soon to be Banned". These were on Hi-Point carbines and the MP-5 look a like .22 lr gun, among others.

The one thing I did notice was the complete lack of AR uppers or lowers. The only AR's I saw were complete guns and were priced $1200 plus. These were Colt's and an Armalite.

Nearly every table I walked up to had someone filling out the paperwork for a purchase. I talked to one dealer who said he had done 5 days worth of business in the last 2 days.

Overall not as bad as I had anticipated. I was disapointed in the lack of anything AR as I wanted to get an upper to complete a gun.

xernex

11-17-2008, 10:11 AM

Just saw this on Classic Arms' website

LET ME GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE.
IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, ( JULY THRU OCTOBER )
WE SOLD THE FOLLOWING
7.62X39 AMMO................361 CASES
AK 30 RD MAGS.....................................783
AK RIFLES (ALL TYPES ) .........................243

BY COMPARISON, IN THE 10 DAYS SINCE THE ELECTION WE HAVE SOLD

7.62X39 AMMO................1218 CASES
AK 30 RD MAGS.....................................3855
AK RIFLES (ALL TYPES ) .........................572
THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE AR RIFLES, GOLANI RIFLES, TANTALS, AND OTHER FIREARMS THAT HAVE ALSO SOLD LIKE WILDFIRE.

Forgive the caps... its how he types everything

MrGoodkat

11-17-2008, 07:28 PM

I was just checking out Classic Arm's website too. Wild, wild, stuff.

19Charlie_84

11-17-2008, 07:40 PM

I plucked a good condition M1 Garand off gunbroker yesterday, still looking for a good Russian SKS to round out my preban collection.

cbear

11-17-2008, 10:40 PM

Went to the gun show in Cincinnati...
How long did it take you to get in? I drove by on Saturday, and saw the line was down the side of the convention center. I went to Target World instead.

Cavalryman

11-17-2008, 10:56 PM

There are a-holes out there that are creating the backorder cuz they are buying thousands of dollars in lowers and other parts with the intent reselling and screwing over everyone else. I don't know who to hate more - these folks, or the speculators and hedge funds that drove up oil prices in the same way a few months ago. Well, we all see what happened to the later - screwed themselves over in the end.
Are you somehow under the impression that someone gets a federal firearms license and the attendant scrutiny/hassle that goes with it for the purpose of handing out freebies? Get a grip on reality, pal! When I got my FFL, I fully intended to make money; I still intend to make money. I'm one of the a-holes who bought a bunch of AR lowers. That's why I had money in reserve -- so that I could buy things that would increase in value. That's called "good business sense." If they don't increase in value, then I won't make money. That's called "taking a risk." There's absolutely nothing to prevent you from buying a bunch of AR lowers in the hope that they will increase in value. That's called "free enterprise." I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's the real world. Grow up and live in it.

jettag

11-17-2008, 11:28 PM

All politics aside...
EASE BACK FELLAS.
There is no need for this kind of sentiment here.

Getting $h!t off your chest is good.:thumbup:

Ripping people off is bad. :nonono:

SteelCore

11-17-2008, 11:31 PM

Ah, capitalism. Alive and well.:America: Supply and demand...all hi-school econ all over again.

"People are buying like 10 AR lowers at a time. What does one man do with 10 AR lowers?"

My boss bought 10 a few weeks ago. He's been assembling them with select uppers.

I think I may have to his the Indy 1500 show in early Jan...mebbe drop a Yugo SKS with some nice accessories...I think I'll hold the WASR 10 until it hits ridiculous levels...then sell it. :icon_biggrin: (thkx again K98)

Man..I bet the Polish AK and SKS-M are gonna be through the roof!

Planning, your advice has always been solid...and I'm in a good place.

Anyone who does not listen to the wisdon and advice of the knowledeable and wise here has not learned their lessons.

In the end, people will get what they wanted. The paniced will get their EBRs, the sellers will profit, and all will be as it should be.

Now, if there'd just be a housing scare so I can sell my house for a crap-ton of profit...:rolleyes:

Oh, and WIN! to Woodman...FAILtastic poster, man!

mofocus

11-17-2008, 11:33 PM

Are you somehow under the impression that someone gets a federal firearms license and the attendant scrutiny/hassle that goes with it for the purpose of handing out freebies? Get a grip on reality, pal! When I got my FFL, I fully intended to make money; I still intend to make money. I'm one of the a-holes who bought a bunch of AR lowers. That's why I had money in reserve -- so that I could buy things that would increase in value. That's called "good business sense." If they don't increase in value, then I won't make money. That's called "taking a risk." There's absolutely nothing to prevent you from buying a bunch of AR lowers in the hope that they will increase in value. That's called "free enterprise." I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's the real world. Grow up and live in it.

yeah but panic hording and "sticking it to ppl when they need it most" (as hank hill put it) is alittle different, it would be like walmart and lowes jacking up the price of water to $15 a gallon b4 a hurricane i think is what hes getting at

Cavalryman

11-18-2008, 02:55 AM

yeah but panic hording and "sticking it to ppl when they need it most" (as hank hill put it) is alittle different, it would be like walmart and lowes jacking up the price of water to $15 a gallon b4 a hurricane i think is what hes getting at
No-one has been ripped off if he voluntarily pays the asking price for an item. Lots of people are upset that prices go up when demand goes up. Just exactly what did you expect? It's no different than buying stocks in the anticipation that they will increase in value. Let's face it, AR-15s are not like food, water, or fuel in that they aren't one of the necessities of life and all of us here could probably live out our lives just fine without one. I knew a guy who bought about $6,000 worth of Winchester rifles when the company went out of business. He has sold a few at a profit and plans to hold others to sell when the demand is even higher. That's free enterprise. I don't plan to buy one of them, but I don't begrudge him the profit he is making. Nobody is forced to buy one of his rifles; in fact, those who just have to have a Winchester rifle are glad that he has some available. Prior to the AWB, there were people who couldn't afford an AR-15 but later became more affluent and were glad that there were some pre-ban ones still around. We grumbled about the prices being driven high by the stupid AWB, but we didn't villify the dealers who had held some in reserve. Were it not for them, we couldn't have gotten one at all.

MicroPilot

11-18-2008, 07:41 AM

How long did it take you to get in? I drove by on Saturday, and saw the line was down the side of the convention center. I went to Target World instead.

We got there about 1:00 pm Sunday. There was a line, but it took less than 10 minutes to get in.

hunter_la5

11-18-2008, 04:16 PM

No-one has been ripped off if he voluntarily pays the asking price for an item. Lots of people are upset that prices go up when demand goes up. Just exactly what did you expect? It's no different than buying stocks in the anticipation that they will increase in value. Let's face it, AR-15s are not like food, water, or fuel in that they aren't one of the necessities of life and all of us here could probably live out our lives just fine without one. I knew a guy who bought about $6,000 worth of Winchester rifles when the company went out of business. He has sold a few at a profit and plans to hold others to sell when the demand is even higher. That's free enterprise. I don't plan to buy one of them, but I don't begrudge him the profit he is making. Nobody is forced to buy one of his rifles; in fact, those who just have to have a Winchester rifle are glad that he has some available. Prior to the AWB, there were people who couldn't afford an AR-15 but later became more affluent and were glad that there were some pre-ban ones still around. We grumbled about the prices being driven high by the stupid AWB, but we didn't villify the dealers who had held some in reserve. Were it not for them, we couldn't have gotten one at all.

+1 Agreed. Do you people really hate capitalism that much? It's one thing to jack up the price of food for people who are starving to death, but buying AR receivers on the cheap to sell later for profit is another thing entirely. You simply cannot compare it to "walmart and lowes jacking up the price of water to $15 a gallon b4 a hurricane". NOT THE SAME THING. AR-15 receivers are not a necessity, food and water are.

Call it investing, or capitalism, or whatever (I call it smart), but there's absolutely nothing underhanded about that. If you don't like the price, DON'T PAY IT! If the market decides the cost of a good is too high, the price will go down.

wwIIBuff

11-18-2008, 05:08 PM

Very true, a gun is not a necesity as much as we may like to think it is

nevada

11-20-2008, 10:08 PM

Guns are not necessities, neither is freedom.

Obama likes that thinking.

nevada

11-20-2008, 10:21 PM

Oregon Trail sells excellent lead bullets. The price hurts some: 500 230gr 45ACP for $66. But it's top quality and shipping is included in that price. A pound of powder cost me $28. That was local and that hurts.

mofocus

11-20-2008, 11:15 PM

Guns are not necessities, neither is freedom.

Obama likes that thinking.

best quote yet

SSwee

11-20-2008, 11:35 PM

Very true, a gun is not a necesity as much as we may like to think it is

Maybe not yet but who knows what the future holds.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
SS

Otis61

11-21-2008, 12:32 AM

Maybe not yet but who knows what the future holds.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
SS

+1

RandyCOG3

11-21-2008, 11:50 AM

Maybe not yet but who knows what the future holds.
Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
SS

+1 to that.
Some people are buying weapons/ammo due to fear that they won't be able to after BO takes over; some people are buying weapons/ammo because of that, and the thought that a weapon may be a necessity after BO takes over.

If he starts screwing around with the 2nd Amendment, seizing 401(k)'s and IRA's as predicted, or if he does something stupid and sends us into another Depression,
anything could happen. Another Revolution, rioting in the streets, desperate people out to grab what they need to survive....watch what happens if a can of beans costs $7.50..those trillions of $ he's proposing to spend are going to come from somewhere...

RandyCOG3

MrGoodkat

11-21-2008, 10:34 PM

I just noticed you replied to a post of mine. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. I have no problem you or any other FFL holder making money from his product. None whatsoever. He is a businessman and does as a businessman should do. It's his livelyhood.

I have a problem with average joes like me purchasing 10 AR lowers to hoard in thier closets in the hope that they can sell them later for a profit if a ban goes into effect. All they are doing is creating more panic and demand, in turn raising the prices for everyone else, FFL holders included, as the manufacturers will increase their prices as well to compensate. It's an unnecessary downward spiral in which everyone looses, with the exception of the forgeries churning these things out by the thousands. All the FFL holder is doing is giving the people what they want, and all that I have seen are charging fair prices in the process, considering that their prices have jumped as well.

=Cavalryman;110750]Are you somehow under the impression that someone gets a federal firearms license and the attendant scrutiny/hassle that goes with it for the purpose of handing out freebies? Get a grip on reality, pal! When I got my FFL, I fully intended to make money; I still intend to make money. I'm one of the a-holes who bought a bunch of AR lowers. That's why I had money in reserve -- so that I could buy things that would increase in value. That's called "good business sense." If they don't increase in value, then I won't make money. That's called "taking a risk." There's absolutely nothing to prevent you from buying a bunch of AR lowers in the hope that they will increase in value. That's called "free enterprise." I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's the real world. Grow up and live in it.

jonboy20

11-21-2008, 11:00 PM

Maybe it is just too much beer in me, but I am getting a little tired of all this. I think most of us knew this was a possibility for the last 2 year so slowly we been buying and stocking up. I for one bought a few AR receivers. Consecutive number to boot. I did this for a few reasons. 1. Ban goes into effect and I got my receivers’ already….at $85 a pop! 2. I got a bunch of rainy day projects. 3. How many people can say they have consecutive AR's? 4. Fill in the blank! 5. If ban is in effect, and I am low on cash…guess what is going on gun broker first!

Sorry to sound like a butt, but let’s get serious here. Last weekend I went to the show. Why…to pick up a gun I had transferred in. I also picked up 4 PMags…This way I have at least one mag per gun. But what I saw was insane....tons of Chicken Littles running around and not one good price on any gun. No one pays MSRP at da show...no one! But a business owner is there to make money and I dont really blame them for doing the whole supply and demand thing.

Gun lover’s rule of thumb….buy what you can…when you can….or break out the credit card!

Like I said, sorry to sound mad, but let’s get real…we all knew that OB could win, and we all know that there is a chance…a small chance that the AWB can happen again in 2009.

Pretty much all manufactures are in overdrive right now to pump out as much product as fast as they can.

Oh….and I think Planning has a crystal ball!

RandyCOG3

11-21-2008, 11:02 PM

I have a problem with average joes like me purchasing 10 AR lowers to hoard in thier closets in the hope that they can sell them later for a profit if a ban goes into effect. All they are doing is creating more panic and demand, in turn raising the prices for everyone else, FFL holders included, as the manufacturers will increase their prices as well to compensate.

I remember the runs on toilet paper in the 70's, same story.
And, gasoline; and indeed, the price of gas went up due to speculators, mostly, this time.
The problem is, there is NO WAY to regulate this w/o gov't intervention, a concept decidedly NOT what the Founding Fathers would have wanted, at least re: weapons.

I am not what anybody would call a "textbook survivorist", not do I have any particular affection for beans of any sort, but, they DO store well, and can be eaten hot or not, and I bought a 5 or 10lb bag of rice, too, and several days worth of bottled water; BO, technically, is not a "Natural" disaster, which is why I bought most of my edibles...but, I "did", somehow, ever-so-slightly, drive up the price of those commodities...A washing machine is considered a "durable good", not a commodity, as "were" weapons and ammo...now, like other commodities, weapons and ammo ARE commodities <ok, combined with war-related shortages>. Other than shutting down the assembly lines, you're not going to create a shortage of washing machines or sewing machines or vacuum cleaners...I can't speak for you, but, many people in America, recently, if their car had a 5000 gallon gas tank, would have filled it up, just in case of potential price increases, because the potential loss due to price drop is less than the potential problems if gas became unavailable or unaffordable....and perhaps they could "find" the $ if they get scared enough.

I *DO* understand and appreciate your point, but, again, there's no way to regulate it, and, to me, the morality of it is not necessarily all bad...the going rate is: the going rate.
It sucks to have to pay more for a bag of Tostitos, just because some *IDIOT* sez we need to make car fuel out of corn, not the fault of the farmer or corn-buyer...

Supply and Demand.
(Ohhhh... somebody's gonna hate me for this....you're not suggesting that we.......'spread the AR lower wealth around...?)' Sorry, no offense meant there...

RandyCOG3

jonboy20

11-21-2008, 11:06 PM

Supply and Demand.
(Ohhhh... somebody's gonna hate me for this....you're not suggesting that we.......'spread the AR lower wealth around...?)' Sorry, no offense meant there...

RandyCOG3

Try it...I dare you!!!!:icon_biggrin:

They are my lowers!!!!!!! :sparta:

RandyCOG3

11-21-2008, 11:37 PM

Try it...I dare you!!!!:icon_biggrin:

They are my lowers!!!!!!! :sparta:

I LOL'd.:eek:
I'm not STOOPID! DOh!:rockon:
Me think U see my point tho....:thumbup:

RandyCOG3

ackspac

11-23-2008, 09:11 AM

:eek:WOW! These werent even selling for $350 on GB last month:http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116695376

wwIIBuff

11-23-2008, 11:28 AM

:eek:WOW! These werent even selling for $350 on GB last month:http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116695376

$530 and reseve not met yet. wow

okie shooter

11-23-2008, 04:42 PM

On the buying binge, remember you buy when no one else wants it, then sell when its the most valuable thing in the world, or atleast you got what you wanted when it was affordable. Planning has been warrning us all about this for the last few years, some heeded the warning(many at least as much as they could afford)and others did not.

I have a friend who wanted a krink sbr for years, kept saying he would get one, but piddle farted around and finally got off his ass this month. He kept telling me he could find them all over the net for eight hundred or so, even called alantic to talk about them last year, but found out the truth this year(I laughed when he got the phone message, I guessed what it would say before he called and it said almost verbatim, "due to the change in the political climate, the demand for "). He might get one in before the first of the year or might notand at twice the price of what they were last year. I tried to tell him to get that and a ar, he never listens, always thinks he can get better deals than me. Guess thats why he is scrambling thru this right now to get the things he wants, guns and ammo.

Planning

11-25-2008, 02:19 PM

i spent yesterday and this morning moving stuff out the way on 10 safes. i am looking for rifles (EBR) to sell when they get to $1000+ to $2000+ each. this is going to be fun :icon_biggrin:. i have sold several since the election ( wish i had kept them now, selling for more today and will sell for more tomorrow).

i think i am going to wait until the week after christmas to sell any more of them. this is nuts, it seems that the ones buying now are the ones that didn't believe this would happen and didn't do any planning at all. :eek:

DUH! :rolleyes: now i don't feel sorry for them at all, at first i did some, but not now. :nonono:

i need my mid-day nap now :sleepy: :airtight:

okie shooter

11-25-2008, 09:23 PM

Planning

11-26-2008, 06:37 AM

I only have five or six cases and cabinets here, guess I will do some sorting, but compared to you Ron, I am a piker, guess my retirement didnt come early enough for me to change my hobby to a busness. Though with the new prices of firearms out there I might think about thinning out the collection and getting some other things I want to have.

it is a very good time to start thinning out my collection again. i had already done some of it for the last 3 years, now it it is time to do it again. i hate it that the prices have gone so high for those that are buying not, but that's life.
i am going to use the money from the sale of the rifles to buy some land (2-10 acres) north of interstate 10 in one of the counties around austin, texas. this way i don't have to go into any of my savings. any of you texas guys from around there that see some land for sale outside of any city limits let me know. i am not looking for resort type land with a view ( that is to high). needs to have electricity at the road, good road surface to the land. i am also going to build a warehouse ( at least 30' x 60') on the land to store all this stuff i have. i have had a couple of hurricanes that made me move a lot of guns ( i only could move about half of them), but i have not been able to move any of the parts or any of the ammo. i would sure hate to loose all this stuff due to water.