Do we have to put rails on every gun?

[WildBillCody]

I absolutly LOVE my NC star 2-7x32 pistol scope, clear as a bell, and a wide FOV, I bought a Redfield and a Bushnell 2-7, and I got rid of them both, not as clear as the NC star. It's on my other scout rifle right now..

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[r.erichsen]

Attachment 28467I guess it could be worse..

Not so fast... this one has a legitimate tale associated with it I've read about in the last year. Read up on the "Quick Kill" technique that the Army was briefly engaged in teaching. The technique called for the use of Daisy air rifles and .22 caliber lever action rifles with sights setup to operate like the M16A1. The goal was to teach instinctive shooting to provide a close quarters tactical advantage. By most reports, the program was successful, though the goals of some planners was for better longer range marksmanship, so the Quick Kill technique fell out of favor. The manuals were kept up and maintained for quite awhile and can be found online in PDF form. Interesting story in any case, probably worth revisiting with an all volunteer military and an increasingly high emphasis on urban combat/CQB.

R

[r.erichsen]

Make it stop.....please make it stop.....Attachment 29876

Less rails, more bailing wire and zip-ties, like the good ol' days. Bubba sure has kept up with the times!

[Cavalryman]

Not so fast... this one has a legitimate tale associated with it I've read about in the last year. Read up on the "Quick Kill" technique that the Army was briefly engaged in teaching. The technique called for the use of Daisy air rifles and .22 caliber lever action rifles with sights setup to operate like the M16A1. The goal was to teach instinctive shooting to provide a close quarters tactical advantage. By most reports, the program was successful, though the goals of some planners was for better longer range marksmanship, so the Quick Kill technique fell out of favor. The manuals were kept up and maintained for quite awhile and can be found online in PDF form. Interesting story in any case, probably worth revisiting with an all volunteer military and an increasingly high emphasis on urban combat/CQB.

R

I actually trained in Quick Kill in the 1970s, and I can tell you that in CQB it's a very valid concept.

[Evilblackgunsrfun]

I always thought you shot and hunted with a lever action rifle for the challenge of the iron sights, and at the most something like a scope or simple red dot to help you take game.
But you should not slap a rail on one,with a optic,and light,and back up sights, and laser, ect. But it might be just my old fashion ways of thinking about some guns.

[r.erichsen]

I always thought you shot and hunted with a lever action rifle for the challenge of the iron sights, and at the most something like a scope or simple red dot to help you take game.
But you should not slap a rail on one,with a optic,and light,and back up sights, and laser, ect. But it might be just my old fashion ways of thinking about some guns.

We agree. The rails in my view should be to allow the mounting of an accessory for the time period it is needed, then detached and stowed. The idea of mounting all that crap and leaving it there is appalling.

On the one hand, the original M16A1 was light, had a 20" barrel and was completely useable in that form for decades. Then the desire for short rifles for troops that had to deploy out of armored cars, officers and "in the rear with the gear" supply troops came along and for a long time it was relegated to those uses. Now we have an M4 that while having a shorter barrel weighs more than the original M16 even without draping it in accessories. With a full compliment of ACOG, VFG and the works. Other than improvement in sighting systems, this seams a step in the wrong direction.

R

[r.erichsen]

I actually trained in Quick Kill in the 1970s, and I can tell you that in CQB it's a very valid concept.

That's interesting. What did you think of the training? Was it with air rifles and then .22 cal Winchester lever guns? I've heard both were used but not if they graduated from one to the other.

R