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    585HE-12ga From Hell Guy

    Introducing myself and our work.. Ed Hubel from MI.
    I am a big bore researcher, gunnut, and wildcatter,
    and have posted our work around the net.
    I have worked on 12ga From He!! and up and
    down. And have some wildcat cases.Like this one
    that is getting around.The 585 Hubel Express.

    Here is picture of the first 585HE done and shooting in Australia.
    A nicely stocked Ruger #1, nice dark grained stock.
    It is owned by the poster, ''tankhunter'' on the AR forums.
    Built by his smith who has a reamer.
    Guys there can get cases from Bertram.



    Here is picture of the case on the right with 505 Gibbs and
    our cartridge feeds ib any gun that a Gibbs works in;



    They have 3 barrels of cases here in US..585HE in a
    nice stocked Enfield IS First one in FL. First 585HE in TX guy
    has it on Y-tube And they are now making another dozen barrels
    of cases some left for overseas shooters..Ed
    Last edited by hubel585; 09-24-2014 at 01:12 AM.

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    Interesting, what kind of ballistics does that round produce?

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    Welcome to the forum from NW Arkansas. Never been around wildcat cartridges, but interesting to see what folks are working with.
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    Regular loads 750gr 24-2500, 650 gr 26-2700
    Heavy loads 200fps more, and can be loaded down 577NE levels.
    Max test load 650 gr over 3000, tough cases practically fall out.

    We also use 585 diameter 58 cal Minie bullet of 440gr to 540 gr for
    deer hogs ,target fun. much less cost than heavier,Pictures show
    variety of bullets jacketed, solids, turned, lead..Ed



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    I'm certainly no expert (but I did stay at Holiday Inn Express once) and I've never fired anything that large, including any .50 BMG.

    But you appear to be in .50 BMG ballistics territory. Or are you citing energy--ft. lbs.--rather than feet per second?

    If the numbers are velocities, how in the world is it possible to get those velocities out of a case that appears to be substantially smaller capacity than .50 BMG?

    Let me quickly add, I am not saying I don't believe you, I am definitely wanting to know how it's done. Thanks!
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    Numbers are the velocities. Case is straight 3.27'' long and
    will hold 190gr ball powder below a 650 gr bullet.

    Cases hold more powder below bullet than bottleneck Trex.

    The BMG cases usually loaded 240gr. But bigger bore in our
    straight case increases efficiency by a quarter or more,
    because without neck we can use faster powders..

    So we are in same range of power, because less energy
    expended to heat and friction, more pushing on the bullet.

    Here is picture of case with trickled settled load of 200gr.Ed


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    That has to have some pretty stout recoil. You have some neat ideas.
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    We get asked a lotabout recoil. Guns are weighted a little, thick pads,
    can be ported, use moderate loads, they shoot nice...And moderate
    loads listed 750gr at 24-2500, 650gr 2600 still much
    faster than 577NE. And gun can be set up without
    costing a years pay.


    Asked a lot about using in Ruger #1, perfect case for the Ruger #1.
    The few #1s ever done in 577 or bigger rim, they had to relieve
    metal behind the action shoulders that breach block
    rests against because of rim. Ours don't have to and the #1s
    extractors I've seen work better with belted case than big rimmed.
    Ours holds more powder, cases built for extreme pressures.




    The loads tested at high pressures about 65,000 psi, when extracting, the
    weight of the bolt after opening pulled cases out. We've fired moderate
    loads in singleshots that we mono-blocked barrels into and the cases fall
    out after firing. Here are couple a nice singles with 585HE in them.





    Cases are made super strong, in the same factory run as the super
    high pressure Cheytac cases. The base of our case is same size ahead of
    belt as 408 Cheytac/505 Gibbs bases. Done with same cups and draws,
    just uses different header, bunter, and sizer. Here is picture of the ones
    we made and the factory one sectioned showing strong built inside corners..
    Case doesn't need special made shellholder, number 31 RCBS fits fine.Ed

    Last edited by hubel585; 05-19-2014 at 12:08 PM.

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    Wow! Thanks for the info, Ed. And btw, welcome to the forum!

    I appreciate the info; starting to get interested in large bores. And large PLUS fast really gets my attention.
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    We get asked about recoil. Guns are weighted a little, thick pads,
    can be ported, use moderate loads, they shoot nice...Moderate/hunting/target
    loads still much more energy than 577NE. And can be had without costing a
    years pay.

    Versatility. Most none elephant hunters can use on lighter game, for
    example, shoot lighter .585 Minie bullets, which load for about 75 cents each,
    once you have cases. Great for target fun, hogs, deer, etc... Cases
    last forever. We can load to any power level we need or want.
    There are more variety of .585" bullets, jacketed,turned, lead, than any other
    caliber over 458. Here are about a third we have found..
    Including some extra long and heavy for whisper, subsonic type load,
    with 4000 ft lbs energy. That's huge energy for subsonic cartridge





    Case doesn't need special made shellholder, number 31 RCBS fits fine.
    Dies available now are CH4D, 3 die set, with one inch thread.
    It is a straight belted case that holds up to 190gr of doublebase powder.
    To bottom of most bullets. It has effiencies of 37+%, where necked cases
    in 50cal trying to get same energy, are about 29%.

    The loads tested at high pressures about 65,000 psi, when extracting, the
    weight of the bolt after opening pulled cases out. We've fired moderate
    loads in singleshots that we mono-blocked barrels into and the cases fall
    out after firing.


    Here is picture of first 585HE put in MRC PH. Ed


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